A Poly St. Paddy’s in Bonoboville

Full transcript of A Poly St. Paddy’s in Bonoboville on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

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I want to welcome you to Bonoboville Brothers and Sisters, and if you are tuned in live, it is St. Patty's Saturday night, and we got the luck of the Irish. We are going to get really, really lucky tonight. But I must say, the pot of gold in Trump's budget all goes to the rich people and the defense contractors.

Right, huh? That's why I'm gagging him with a green dildo. He's under gag order tonight, as we like him. And he's all dressed for St. Patty's Day. He was certainly ready for St. Patty's Day the other day with his green tie.

We have him in a very appropriate Girl Scout hat. And oh my, he did think it was going to be easy as grabbing an Irish pussy on his golf course, hole in one. He thought so, you know. But I must say, I was so impressed with that Irish Prime Minister. Did you all see him?

What was his name? Okay. And actually, Prime Minister is not what you're supposed to call him. You're supposed to call him a theshack. Okay. And DeKenny, the Irish Prime Minister, schooled Mr. Trump.

Yes, he did. He couched it in lots of clover. He too, of course, was an immigrant. And though he's of course the patron saint of Ireland for many people around the globe, he's also a symbol of indeed the patron of immigrants.

Look at Trump. You're in America, a new great country. 35 million people claim Irish heritage and the Irish have contributed to the economic, social, political, and cultural life of this great country over the last 200 years.

Ireland came to America because deprived of liberty, deprived of opportunity, of safety, of even food itself, the Irish believed. In four decades before Lady Liberty lifted her lamp, we were the wretched refuse on the teeming shore.

Amen and amen. In the shelter of America, in the compassion of America, in the opportunity of America, we came and we became Americans. We lived the words of John F. Kennedy long before he uttered them.

We asked not what America could do for us, but what we could do for America, and we still do. Amen and amen, women. Thank you. Bishak.

And Kenny. That's telling him. Okay, turn the music down, folks. Back in the back. Thank you.

That end to Kenny. He sure does have the gift of gab. It's like he kissed the Blarney Stone. And in the same week that we have been delivered this budget, that really cuts everything, well, green, first of all,

everything green, like anything associated with the environment, has been cut. And food for old people and sick people and poor children, that's really great, huh?

No, that is not really great, and I just wonder what it's going to take to wake up America to this guy and gag him with something more than a green dildo. But we are gagging him with a green dildo because, well,

you know, you've got to have some fun with the situation. And that's what we try to do here on the Dr. Susan Block Show with Captain Max. There he is. He's operating the Facebook camera. Yes, indeed.

Oh, and you can talk. Can you imagine that? Husband can talk. Wow.

And we're just weeks away from celebrating our 25th. That is correct. 25th wedding anniversary. That's correct.

Congratulations. 25 years. I don't know. It feels a little like 25 seconds to me.

Maybe not to you. Me too. A little endless for you. Of course it does.

That's why you should be with people you don't like, and then the time will pass slower. Maybe that's why he's our president. So the time would pass slower.

It does seem kind of endless. Anyway, yeah, it's St. Patty's weekend, and, oh, I did like the joke that Bill Maher told. I've got to just repeat that about how Trump makes stuff up.

He said, that's the great thing about having tiny hands is you can pull things out of your ass easily. So, tiny hands, Trump. Our Trump doesn't even have any hands.

And he does have a tiny little dick here somewhere, actually. I think his dick is lost. No, it's there somewhere. But the main thing is gag order.

All right, brothers and sisters, speaking of the gift of gab, our guests certainly have it. And my first guest is also a talk show host and an author,

and her name is Dedeker Winston. Dedeker, come sit on the green bed. I get to sit next to you. Oh, yes, you have to sit next to me.

Yes, yes, and you are in green. Yeah, very nice. Did you just get a shot? No.

Nothing exciting like that, sorry. Maybe you're getting ready for a big weekend. Okay, so here you are. You just wrote this very good book,

The Smart Girl's Guide to Polyamory, everything you need to know about open relationships, non-monogamy, and alternative love. And that's only a few of the things you learned about it.

Oh, just a few. Just a few. And it's for girls, I guess. Well, I mean, I like to think that men can be smart girls too

at the end of the day. Actually, a lot of men have been reading the book and finding it still very accessible. Well, I think men love to read books for women.

You know, it's kind of a sneaky thing. They love to do that. You say for women only, and you get a lot of men, that's what I find.

As soon as it's like, no, you're not allowed to enter, then that's when they really want it. Right, so you're sort of not allowed to enter, although you are.

And we have a little sign. Is this your sign or is this a polyamory sign, the heart with infinity? Yeah, that's kind of like the unofficially,

symbol for polyamory. Is the infinity symbol inside the heart? Meaning that love is infinite. It is infinite, that's true.

It is, it is, but time. Yeah, time and money are finite, unfortunately. That's the tough part. All right, but still, you know,

time and money aside, love is infinite. You can love a lot of people and everyone shares the love.

And some people, you know, they don't want to stick with one person only for their everything.

polyamory might be for them. Yes, it's definitely not for everybody, I would say so. Although the jury's out on that, right?

Because, you know, there's a lot of evolutionary psychologists that make the argument that, like, no, all of us are kind of inherently polyamorous, that that's our roots.

Well, I don't know, but I do know that the bonobos, I've had Trump reading both books, he needs this one,

he needs yours because Melania is never with him anymore, you notice that? Yeah. He better be polyamorous, and of course

he needs to learn the bonobo way, because he's such a baboon. But bonobos are polyamorous,

multi-amorous, I guess. Certainly non-monogamous as are common chimps, but bonobos really get into it, you know.

And they are our closest relatives. And then there are gorillas who are next,

and they're not monogamous either. They kind of have harems. And orangutans kind of play the field. They're a little bit more like lone wolves

in jungles. Yes, but they're not monogamous either. No, maybe gibbons are, but they're definitely lower,

so to speak. They're called lower because they're not as close to us. I don't like calling them lower, but hey, they're not as close

to humans as bonobos and common chimps and gorillas. And so all of these relatives of ours are not

monogamous, close relatives. So that might tell us something. Yeah, but we still are coming from a culture where for so long

we kind of manifest destiny in our way into being so above the animals. For so long. That we've transcended our base sexuality

that we associate with animals. Yeah, maybe. I don't know if we have. I don't think so.

Release your inner animal. But as a culture we're still learning to kind of step away from that assumption.

I think as a culture, if we are one culture, which in a way we are, we are trying to learn to be monogamous.

That's the difficult thing. I mean, we have reasons to be monogamous. There's lots of reasons. Good reasons.

Tax breaks. Family likes you better. Easier to keep track of your schedule.

Lots of good reasons. But it does kind of go against our nature. And our nature that probably

was formed like 75,000 years ago, as opposed to the whole monogamy thing or

I guess the monogamy thing. Which as your book points out in its history section, which is very interesting

and influenced by our mutual friend Christopher Ryan. Hey Chris. Sex at Dawn.

Yeah. Howl. Yeah, so Sex at Dawn gives us a great overview

and you give us a nutshell about how really the advent of farming brought us

this desire to mainly control women and then women wanted to control men too.

That would make us equal, right? We're all going to be controlling each other. So polyamory might be natural. It seems like it is more natural

but that doesn't mean it's easy and that doesn't mean it's for everybody. Well, I think the thing that I wanted to come back to in the book

is this idea of relationship choice. Is this idea that maybe you're not polyamorous, maybe you're not monogamous, but we're all living this culture

that kind of dumps us into monogamy by default without questioning it really. And it's this idea that there's a whole spectrum of what your relationship can look like.

It's not just monogamy and so I think that was more the thing is rather than trying to push polyamory specifically but this idea is that there's so many options.

Well, I think even a die-hard monogamous has things to learn about their fantasies

and their jealousies and their feelings in this book The Smart Girl's Guide. I think that, you know, something that I do respect

is if somebody who is die-hard monogamous goes and researches and reads and exposes themselves to different ways of looking at relationships

and then after all of that decides no, you know what, monogamy is what it is for me, I think that's a wonderful choice. I think that very consciously chosen

monogamy is respectable and wonderful, I think. Rather than just monogamy by default

which is where most of us are. Just accepting that that's the way it's got to be. Right, so speaking of choice you have definitely chosen this path.

You were brought up conservative born-again Christian that's what it says on the back

born-again Christian in Chico. Wow. And here I am.

No, I was a refugee from Chico and she's got her papers in order.

To be fair, Chico is a pretty liberal town. It was just that I was raised in a very conservative Christian Republican family. Oh, okay.

Did they vote for Trump? It's okay. I understand. They're gonna get it soon. They did, I'm still coming to terms with that, but they did.

They did. Well, you know whole groups of people, I mean that had to happen.

I just count my lucky stars that they've not kicked me out of the family. They haven't rejected me. They still love me very much. They still love me. That's not happened with a lot of people

who are polyamorous or who are gay or who are kinky. A lot of people get rejected by their families so I still at least count myself lucky that even though they voted for Trump

that I still get to be part of the family. Which is actually, it's ridiculous that I should think that I'm lucky for that. That should just be a default.

No, I think it's good to count your blessings. I think that's good. There's no default. No, and there is a lot of

unlove, otherwise known as hate and apathy and there's a lot of that in the world and there's a lot of jealousy

and there's a lot of anger over you not being what I think you should be and all of that stuff. I think especially in times like these

it's really valuable to appreciate hey, shout out to mom I'm on a sex show right now.

Okay, well you do a sex show, right? Do they watch your show? Sometimes they do. Our show is actually, it's more about relationships

than about sex because that was kind of what we found to actually be more intriguing was if you go beyond just kind of the sex

part of non-monogamy because that's always what people attach to, right? As soon as they find out you're non-monogamous, they're like oh, what's the sex like? Are you having orgies all the time?

Is this just to have threesomes? And maybe the answer to those questions is yes. Sex sells and it interests people.

People are all interested in sex. Exactly, so that's always the first question about the sex or on the negative side, like oh my god

are you riddled with STDs or things like that but then the second question is beyond that which is about how do you handle jealousy?

All the questions beyond that are how do you handle these relationships? How do you handle being in love with more than one person? Can you actually do that?

That's why we created multi-amory to explore those questions beyond what people see on the surface level of non-monogamy and polyamory.

Well, I'm a sex therapist so I'm one of those people who likes to talk about sex but I attach it to all these other things

like relationships and politics It is attached to so many other things. It's not separate. It's just that

people like to slut shame over sex so if you stick to the relationships more you're more in the category

of not a slut. Yes. That's been an interesting phenomenon that we've seen being in the poly community

for so long is that you actually start to see some people in the poly community actually almost dipping into the sex negative

because they're so desperate for people to not just see the sex. And I think we saw that also with the gay rights movement a little bit

that it almost swung into the sex negative like no, we're not like those weirdos over there. We're getting married. We're never going to have sex again.

Exactly. So it is kind of this weird balancing act of trying to make it appealing and accessible to people

but not trying to slut shame. Trying to make it too unsexual because there's a nice hefty

section, a whole section on all the different kinds of sex and including orgies. Yes, because that's what we're all interested in.

That was a funny one is when the Amazon entry for my book went up that my mom, I posted on my social media and my mom went and read the description

and she's like, honey did you write this description? What is group sex? That sounds like an orgy. Are you writing about group sex?

And I was like, oh god. Well now you're also a nude model. I am, yes. Yay!

I mean your pictures on the internet, there's some nude pictures. Most of them are naked, yes. Yeah, I mean a lot of them.

I was going to use one in the banner but you wanted to use your buttoned up picture so I said, alright. But I saw you have some nude pictures

so I'm sure that you're born again Christian family sees that but maybe they're like Betty Page when I interviewed Betty Page

I said, how do you kind of reconcile your nude modeling with your Christianity and she says, well

and she has a deep Southern voice God created Adam and Eve naked as Javer so I reckon it's okay that I'm naked too.

Yeah, you know what my mom, when I first started doing new shoots, at first she kind of had a little bit of a reaction but then after that

when she realized that I'm consenting to this, this is what I'm choosing and I'm good at it and I'm not being taken advantage of but then she was like, oh, okay.

Wow. Yeah, great. Thank you mom. Definitely, and how about your dad?

My step dad who's the one in the picture I don't know because he is the more Republican one of the two of them

but you know what, he knows about the book and he went to Barnes & Noble and took a bunch of pictures and told a bunch of people my daughter wrote that book so

I'm sure it's probably not his type. He might not want to talk about the nude model Maybe not so much. They walked in on one of my nude shoots once.

Well, Jackie thinks that our audience likes the fact On Mother's Day On Mother's Day

Wait, where was the shoot going? I was doing a shoot at a studio and it was not erotic, it was just art nudes and they were going to come

Some people would say nude is erotic I know, but they were going to come I was going to go meet them for a nice Mother's Day dinner and I told them very specifically

like, okay, I will meet you outside the studio please do not come in and interrupt the shoot You gave them the address of the studio

Naughty girl You didn't just meet them at the restaurant Hey, it's okay You know, it's because

hey, there's things You want to communicate We have ways of communicating that our conscious mind

doesn't even know But that's fascinating So okay, well, it's great that they are basically very positive

Yes And then you're also a reality TV star Yes, as a matter of fact

And you were in this I don't know whether I should say short-lived It was relatively short-lived

I didn't get to see it, but it was an interesting concept utopia and you play yourself

Yes And there's a whole bunch of different people and you are the polyamorous Yeah, that was such an interesting experience

because they wanted to gather 15 people of all very different walks of life like the super conservative Hillbilly and the truck owning

gun owning libertarian and the super hippie yoga teacher That's pretty different They wanted somebody who was polyamorous

and I just kind of got in there at the last second I mean, I have to say that I mean, reality TV is reality TV

You know And by the way, this is Fox Which is not Fox News, it's a whole different animal No, so that actually was the surprising thing

is that around the time that that show was created I don't think this is the case anymore There actually had been kind of a shake-up in the production site on Fox

where they were creating things that were much more progressive And so, yeah, so actually even though it's reality TV

to be able to be on such a public platform and to be very out about being polyamorous I mean, when I got off the show

I had people from all across the country sending me messages about like, oh my goodness I didn't even know this was a thing This is how I felt my entire life

You know, like, how could I know more about what it is that you do You know, and so a lot of that was something that helped to fuel us

to continue to create the podcast to help answer people's questions The podcast Which introduces your partner

One of my partners And polyamory, right? I know this because I read this book So you can come up here

and we'll look like a threesome I know a lot about him Yeah, yeah, Jayce Jayce Lindgren

Wow, people have interesting names Hello, Jayce Imagine that's short for Jayce It is

Now where does Dedeker come from? A far away land It's a family name Like a German-Belgian family name

So you two What came first, the relationship or the podcast? The relationship The relationship

And you were involved with other people and you got involved with each other as part of your polycule

and then the other people dropped out Well, kind of, so it's interesting because when people look at us

it's pretty common for people to assume that it was kind of the typical non-monogamy story, which is that there's a couple they meet their monogamous for a couple years

and then they kind of decide to venture out and open up, maybe they try three-sums, maybe they try swinging and then maybe end up in polyamory

but our origin story was very different from that like when we met each other we were both living with other romantic partners in open relationships

And the four of us were a quad, you would call it where I was dating Dedeker and her partner Brad was dating

my partner Emily and we all started talking about this podcast and Dedeker, myself and Emily ended up starting it

and all three of us were dating each other at the time but then over the two-and-a-half years we've been doing the podcast now Dedeker and I are still dating

but we're not dating Emily but have remained really close and she's still our amazing co-host on the show Right, I was thinking, I saw Emily

she co-hosts multi-amory which is your show and what's the difference between multi-amory and polyamory? Well, so at first we were inclined to say

there is no difference we chose the name multi-amory because of that old joke there's the joke that polyamory is wrong

it should be polyphilia or multi-amory you can't mix Greek and Latin roots of words So we just picked multi-amory

however as we've been talking about it we're actually kind of interested in taking the term multi-amory and possibly rebranding it into something because we like this idea of

if polyamory means having many lovers we like this idea of multi-amory referring to many kinds of love

so the idea of that my polycule is populated not just with romantic partners

but maybe casual sex partners maybe friends with whom I'm not sexual but I still feel very romantic and tell them that I love them maybe a relationship

exactly, maybe cuddle partners maybe a relationship where I feel like I love this person but they're asexual we have an asexual relationship

we kind of like this idea of making multi-amory a little more inclusive of many types of love rather than just romantic partners

okay and that reminds me of an interesting type you've got in here which sounds a lot more crazy

than what you're saying but relationship anarchy is that what that is? well kind of

it's like a spiritual cousin to relationship anarchy a little bit relationship anarchy is a term that that

people argue kind of over what it means a little bit sometimes but at the heart of it it is that the idea is that

just because a relationship is sexual doesn't mean that it has to be romantic and it doesn't mean that it has to be a higher priority than something else

like the idea that you could choose to co-parent with a friend who you're not sexual or romantic with but still have a strong commitment to them

rather than the assumption that whoever you're having sex with and you're in love with is always going to be your plus one they'll always be the person you buy a house with no matter what it's kind of challenging

that assumption it is but you know it kind of makes sense because I mean all the rules can get

in the way of the love although sometimes rules make you feel good and safe

well the thing is that something that Don Davidson who's kind of another big writer content creator in the poly scene she brings up the fact that whenever we enter into a relationship

everybody brings their own secret rule book you know that is has been inherited from their parents from their culture, from their church, from the media

they watched growing up, from the books that they've read that they have their secret book of rules that are their expectations for what should happen in a romantic relationship

and this other person has their own secret book of rules and often we don't have the conversations where we compare what our secret book of rules are yeah and that's when like

expectations get not fulfilled or expectations are too great or too low you know that's kind of I think where a lot of the conflict

in romantic relationships ends up coming from so I mean there's a lot to like about this book the smart girls guide to polyamory

but one thing I like is that you don't put down swinging because a lot of polyamorous do but that works for some people

and that's a form of opening up the relationship is that a form of multi-amory when you're friends with the people

you swing with but you're not really in a you don't go out on dates with them separately yeah I mean I know that

when the swinging scene was first in its heyday and was starting to pick up steam there was this difference between

recreational swingers and utopian swingers does that ring a bell there was this theory that there's the recreational swingers which are just the people who are like maybe married

and then just to kind of spice things up they'll go to a swinging party or swap with a couple or something like that versus the utopian swingers which in theory

were kind of the precursors to modern day polyamorous which were this idea of like kind of more bonobo style like we've tapped into this community

where we can freely exchange sex and affection and love and maybe we can develop relationships beyond just casual sex with these people and so the whole

like utopian swinging movement kind of laid the groundwork for I think the modern day polyamory movement I'd say in the same way that polyamory

is a big umbrella that covers a lot of different ways of doing relationships swinging is kind of similar like I know some swingers who are very

closed off about our relationship has to be protected from the swinging that we're doing whereas others who don't feel as much of that fear around it

and are a little more open to you know carrying on friendships with the people that they swing with or even dating them and I want to give a shout out to those people

that do need the rules for their swing because that's okay you know sometimes you need to protect your your special someone

and you know jealousy is a factor and you know sometimes you've got to have rules that you agree on especially when you're first venturing

out into this world by the way I want to give a shout out to Rai Manteoni hello Rai

yes hello Rai because he introduced us and he of course is a I don't know whether to say a veteran polyamorous

yes yeah and he's been on this show a couple of times so we're so glad that

you know he brought you to our attention yes and that you're here now I think one thing that's on everyone's mind is

how many people are you involved with right now how did I know that that was going to be the question well because I like to voice the people I'm like Trump I am the people

well I'll toss it back to you what counts as being involved with someone anything you want anything you want to count

because if we're taking it from the multi-amory relationship anarchist standpoint I mean I could count a lot of people okay you know because I have you know

Jace who I'm living with temporarily and also in love with in LA are you living somewhere I have a partner who lives in Singapore

right now who I don't see very often get phone sex or digital sex I mean what's app sex essentially

oh what's app sex you know I have somebody who lives up in Portland who's been in my life for a long time who I would call kind of a romantic friend

we've been sexual and romantic in the past but we aren't now but we still say that we love each other and we're still very affectionate to each other

you know and there's people that are here in LA that I kind of casually date so it's you know it really depends on what is that you count as being involved with

or what you count as a partner okay well I count all of that because that yeah go ahead

how do you find time for all of this I've got enough problems with this one yeah no no seriously I mean

you know I've been through all of this but how do you really find time I mean do you not work are you rich

don't I wish well okay I mean there's some assumptions that are made which is I'm not dating four of her

but I mean you have to be like children you know if I don't call my children for a year to get upset yes so I mean a lot of people

kind of you know they think of what a monogamous relationship is like which is that all of my free time is given to this person you know

that I'm spending upwards of you know the equivalent of a full time jobs amount of hours you know with this person per week I'm living with this person

this person is taking up pretty much all of my time and so you think like oh we'll multiply that times two or three or four like that's impossible when in reality it's

you know what I found in my life is it gets a little bit more spread out you know like for instance you know right now I'm living with Jayce but Jayce like still

goes and spends the night with other partners occasionally like I'll go and spend the night with other partners occasionally and I think do you get jealous is there any furniture

moving involved in all of this stuff I mean the furniture stay well maybe not I don't know maybe

well I mean it's easy for me I don't have any furniture I've been living out of a backpack for the past year and a half so we're both very minimalist that's a time saver yeah so it makes it

very easy to be able to move around you know you have time savers in your life that are I guess I think the key is though at like

at the beginning of a relationship is being very honest about what your time commitments are and how flexible your time is you know I think it's that

of being very upfront with someone about like how many partners you have or what projects you're involved in or what your work schedule is

you got a resume now when can I see you but I think like like Dettaker was pointing out we're having different

relationships that she sees different amounts of time and stuff like that is that these other people that you're dating also are dating

other people if you know assuming that they're polyamorous as well so you're also not the only person who's meeting those needs they have for

you know just hanging out or for sex or for you know emotional and emotional intimacy it would be like your analogy of your kids

like if you just didn't call your kid for a year or something I don't I don't have the time right but it would like think about it with a if your kid

has more than just you as a parent say they live part of the year with you know a step parent and part of the year with you or you know what I mean

like there's lots of ways that parents do that sort of thing it's almost a similar deal it's like yeah you're not the only person providing this for them too

yeah okay well there's a lot to learn in this world and it is getting more popular

polyamory and and in fact there is one group of well I don't know if they're all polyamorous

but they have sex with different people and they have relationships sometimes with different people

and that is the porn community and they're not really and the eco-sexuals

well the eco-sexuals yeah I mean they're having sex with everybody yeah they are including trees and the ocean

shout out to Dr. Annie Sprinkle who we just saw and who is in this book that is edited by

Dr. Serena Gaia it's eco-sexuality and it does have a lot of polyamory in it

and of course you know the eco-sexuals have sex not just with people they don't have sex with other animals I don't think actually

I'm not sure about that but I don't think so they have sex with the sand and the water a lot of beach sex the mud right

right right Annie is now doing a whole project about water water makes me wet and it is

ecological it's with our environment in mind as well as it does have a resonance with sexuality because

water does make us wet and wetness is good for sex and yeah Trump knows that too

that's why he's gonna poison all of our water little water and stuff there of course the golden showers is another story

yep we piss on Trump by the way watch it on clip-a-rama you can see it uncensored

it's on YouTube censored but yep we lay him out Russian hookers eat your heart out yes Jackie pissed on Trump

I pissed on Trump Mistress Tara pissed on Trump yeah okay so back to

us so I want to introduce my other guests here Natalie Chen welcome to Bonoboville

hi and Todd Jones hello so you guys

you're not wearing green no you know why you have to wear green do you know why?

well yeah but why do you wear green on St. Patrick's Day what is the reason but why do you get pinched because

here's why I looked it up okay because green is the color of the outdoors it's true

I always thought you know St. Patrick's Day is cool because this is a you know an ecology color this is green and it's true

you wear green so that the leprechauns won't see you it's camouflage and if you don't wear green the leprechauns

will pinch you right so there you go you've been pinched

you didn't know that you'll wear green next St. Patrick's Day alright so you are both members of the porn community

yes do you consider yourself you've been listening to this whole talk about polyamory what do you think

something new to me new are you in a relationship yes and tell us about that

well actually I started turning up and don't hold the top part of it it's like holding a condom

on the head part I've been to a few swinger clubs so I'm like okay

and you do porn so isn't doing porn like having sex outside the relationship in a way

it's true it's in a way but I feel like the porn is more it's more safer I feel like because you know

everyone's tested and everything like that from the swinging thing it's like nobody knows what anybody has

I don't want to diss the swingers here because it depends on the swinging you're doing porn is pretty regimented I guess

although porn is everywhere now so maybe not but if you're doing stuff in the regular porn industry yeah you're supposed to get tested

right you should and you do alright and yet

you know there's always a risk but it's more than just safe sex isn't it it's about having sex with somebody else I don't know

you have a girlfriend or a boyfriend girlfriend where is she hello she's somewhere at the hotel right now

at the hotel oh see they think they're your girlfriends okay

so I think you're more polyamorous than you realize I don't know if you want to let your girlfriend know that she's watching

she probably don't care I mean does money make it different just because you get paid and all that

I guess it makes it a little different for me it's more it's both it's getting paid and it's fun it's fun right

a lot of porn actors have sex outside of the of the stage people that they're actually having sex with

on the stage right we've seen that right here that's pretty polyamorous I mean they're all you know even when the cameras go off

when we went to the golden age of adult cinema here were all these old people that have been fucking each other

and working with each other for ever and ever you know so that's pretty

that's pretty polyamorous in a way or multi-amorous certainly multi I think of these guys multi-amorous they might not be

equal among all somehow poly gives you the idea that you love everyone equally multi seems to give you I don't know

the freedom to love at different rates what about you Natalie so I'm actually learning more about polyamory recently I'm actually going

recently started going through a divorce process so and I feel like a lot of it contributed with not being

open about relationships or not recognizing how like diversity of relationships and it just put a lot of stress on the marriage so now after going through that I want to learn a lot

more about how to juggle multiple relationships including both ranging from like friendships to

sexual relationships and then being in the porn community has actually contributed to that a lot just because everything is more open and everyone is very upfront about like okay

you know this is what I'm interested in this is what I'm not okay with consent is a big thing and open dialogue is a big thing and that's really even changing

my views on relationships honesty so who are you divorcing a guy or a girl a girl yeah and that was actually when I married her

I was just starting to do porn and I told her like hey I want to keep doing this as a way to sort of explore my sexuality you have a safe environment and I really enjoy

and love it and she initially said it was fine and afterwards she like after we got married she's like oh no actually I'm not okay with it and I feel like that actually contributed

a lot to what eventually led to our divorce because like I had my needs that weren't met and then we never really talked about afterwards and she started

she still had jealousy about just people I was friends with not even having sex with and I feel like polyamory or even even if you're

monogamous the tenants and the ideas behind things like polyamory contribute a lot to healthy relationship building because you begin to recognize like hey

I may be married to this person but they may still have a friend that they want to go and talk to or have certain special relationship with that may not be me and that's just the way

our interactions and our social circles work well you seem like a smart girl so this is your guide right can I just share a bit of trivia that reminds me

is that the term open marriage that we're all very familiar with now originally it was coined by these two researchers the O'Neill's

and they wrote this book called open marriage and originally an open marriage didn't refer to a marriage where you slept with other people it referred to a marriage

where you're free to help each other grow and help each other get your needs met outside the relationship like where you were free to have other

friends and a support network that didn't include your husband or your wife that that was the original meaning of open marriage and I think that that is ultimately

the more important thing in a non-monogamous relationship rather than just getting sex but it is about that freedom to like to

you know grow with this other support network instead of putting it all on just your partner alright well

I think you can probably learn a lot from this you know because your next relationship you should or relationships

right multiple you know I mean it's a process to to learn how to be honest honesty is not exactly

honesty I don't think is natural I think you have to make yourself be honest because there's a there's a hiding

thing that humans maybe do to try to be safe but we're not really safe from it you know from the fall

out so it it does help to be honest but sometimes you know your honesty can hurt or do you have a Jew in the attic

you better hide but then you want to hide right there are certain cases in which you do want to hide

or lie even lie right honesty is not always the best policy we have been married 25 years

and this has been I mean we're very honest but honesty is not always the best policy it's you know

and yet and yet it's often the best policy and you know you you want to learn how

to be honest in a way that's productive and not going to hurt you know sometimes honesty tears you apart

right especially when you talk about your desire for your partner's sister yeah I mean there's a mother

or you know things like that they're tough do you want to be honest about everything I don't think so

you know every fantasy and yet certainly if you are having sex with someone else if you are even doing

you know the kiss me I'm Irish with someone else well maybe not on St. Patty's Day but any other day

then you know that's something I think you should be honest about if only because of the STIs but also because

we should know these things well I mean that's why you know when a lot of people start diving into non-monogamy and polyamory

it's really difficult because we have so much cultural baggage around not being honest with our partners about our fantasies about our attractions

you know about the fact that we're even attracted to anybody else at all to a lot of people even that's an insult and so we have to kind of really

deprogram ourselves like you said we do kind of have to force ourselves to be honest I'm going to deprogram everyone right now we're all attracted to more than one person

okay it's okay it's okay you can stay you can be monogamous and be attracted to other people and it can

stay in the realm of fantasy and it can be something you may not bring up to your partner but you know anybody that thinks that their partner

only thinks about them living in a bit of a dream world but you know so okay

so how much time do we have we have a little bit of time okay so do you have any of your partners here

no I wish I did oh I thought you were bringing them well they were supposed to come but they shorted out on me

shorted out you know that's why you have to have a few well you did have a few but all of them

maybe they're together oh damn maybe next time hopefully next time they'll come

they had some well one had one was a male performer too he had like four shoots this week

he was already tired and you're still shooting in Los Angeles did everybody move to Vegas not yet

the only big company right now is Brazzers they're the biggest ones in Vegas right now and you're in Vegas

but they shoot more they don't shoot interracial big out there yet and in Vegas

I come to LA I come to LA for work okay well we're glad you do because you know certainly

Michael Weinstein and a lot of anti-sex lawmakers are doing whatever they can to push the porn industry

out of LA and all of California for that matter you know you're in Vegas kink.com

is even moving to Vegas and Trump hasn't started yet wait till you go through 23 24 prosecutions

yeah and that is on the back burner because after all part of the Republican platform is very

very anti porn they think that porn is a disease these people are nationalists and America hasn't come to terms with that yet

these are nationalists Mussolini was a nationalist Hitler was a nationalist sounds like they don't have

infinite love by the way I'm wearing my infinity ring did you see that I'm sure none of these Republicans

consume any pornography oh that's the thing they consume the most what is the highest per person

rate percentage wise it's Utah I mean that's where people want to see

others having sex we just saw the statistic from porn that got 35 35

billion hits wow yo yo yo okay well

it's very popular because it's one way that some people are kind of visually

or you could say a mentally fantasy wise polyamorous is okay we're gonna be together

but you know we're gonna put it on the big screen and watch it there's gonna be you know Todd and Natalie having sex

and we can sort of act like they're in the room with us and with with virtual reality

you can even feel it and get totally confused yeah I think that's gonna be the interesting discussion is when virtual reality porn actually becomes more of a consumer

thing like it becomes more accessible to the consumer that that's gonna bring up a lot of interesting discussions they gotta bring down the size of the goggles the goggles are so big

gotta make them look sexy at least you gotta have a fetish for major goggles I mean imagine your husband or your wife walks in

you wouldn't even know because you're in the goggles well I think they're gonna know if you're like this no but I mean you wouldn't know that

they'd walked in oh right the goggle person doesn't okay yeah they're not gonna know well I don't know because you're in the virtual world with headphones on

yes Natalie come out here I know what you're doing I'm sure they'll create some kind of motion sensor that you can set so if someone walks in the room it'll switch it quickly to

I don't know spreadsheets or something it's more difficult to hide that than just your porn right have you ever been in a virtual reality porn not sure I want to be

yeah I bet you do right what do you like best about doing porn I like the orgies the orgies there you go

and the bukkakis I just did a bukkaki like two weeks ago out here in LA with jump powers and it was amazing

so it's a bunch of guys coming all over two girls we had two girls and it was 23 guys wow okay and the

are the girls I mean the bukkaki is basically when some people come all over that's about it now girl could do it

because female ejaculation right so but mostly it is guys doing you know your old fashioned male ejaculation

right and it's kind of a team sport right is it like team bonding that's why you enjoy it so much

I don't know it's just like you get off more I'm going to the bar you get off and then you go to the bar and come back and get off again

I'm going to the bar I can't take it I gotta have a drink it's St. Patty's Day have a green one cheers

what's your favorite kind of porn to do I like just experimenting a lot I'll try anything three times

just to make sure I like it well what have you tried there is one time I only recently started reshooting again after coming out of my marriage

and then I was talking to a photographer and he's like are you okay with people are you into this like spitting and mouth thing cause the other performer she really likes it

and I think it's disgusting and I'm like I'll try it doesn't sound interesting what a way to introduce to a performer a sex act

I think it's disgusting I don't know if that's a good thing for a director to do I was just like I think it's so weird but they love it and I'm like it doesn't sound kind of weird

but I'll try it and then after I tried it I really liked it and now I keep asking for it again okay well we're not going to ask you to spit in anyone's mouth someone spit in my mouth

oh you like that okay well you know maybe we'll do that because we're going to do a little drinking game I don't know if you can do that on Facebook

the spitting in the mouth you're rather conservative those guys well but that doesn't involve nudity you're like the mom

it's just spitting I think that's okay it's body fluids yeah it's fluids going into an orifice

you know I'd say test it find out I thought he was going to come in somebody's mouth face and I thought no no

well they did censor us last week you can't even show nipples on it yeah well we had a wild show last week we celebrated

the Jewish holiday and did the whole story in an x-rated fashion featuring Ron Jeremy

as Pimp and Cousin Mordecai and it was very wild and Mordecai got together with

Vashti and it was very wild I don't remember that part of the story no it doesn't happen in the story although we do a lot of things that don't happen

like in the story they either banish Vashti or execute her and what we do because you know we're bonobo

we have alt stories we put her up on the we strip her naked because after all she refused to strip naked

so we do strip her naked and put her up on the cross and blog her which happened to turn on Mordecai maybe I would still be Christian if these were the stories

you know it's the dirty Bible with Dr. Suzy I was a Sunday school teacher and I still am except

half my class are porn stars now so yeah the Bible has some of the dirtiest stories really it does

but I like Esther because she is a feminist she's a woman heroine she saves her people

with her weapons of mass seduction and somebody needs to step up with you know who because

Melania is leaving him too alone anyway yeah and that reminds me that you have a cause about

running women for office yes yes yeah so I was running a campaign for a little while kind of a sweepstakes to get a signed copy of the book

which is unfortunately closed now however I really do encourage people to donate to an organization called She Should Run if you go to she should run.org

and basically it provides resources and education and training specifically for young women and girls and older women as well

who want to run for office. Alright we blew it with the last one maybe we'll have another chance here if they let us have another election

so you know we're going to have to take a little break soon but we're going to come back with our favorite drink

that is now being grasped by a green monkey it's a monkey why because it has a tail not a bonobo but very cute

and he has agua which is the drink of St. Patrick's Day did you know that

now I didn't how's it going to say it now it definitely is

you're irish right miss erin gobra erin gobralis erin gobralis I didn't gobralis but

my dad was from Ireland so okay well you have St. Patrick

St. Patrick in your blood yes I do so you got some irish anybody irish

like a drop everybody has a little bit of that irish show we'll be right back with drops

of Ireland on the Dr. Susan block show and Derrick Winston

Jayce Lindgren Todd Jones Natalie Chen and our own gypsy bonobo

so hey we're going to have some fun so don't come yet and don't go away we'll be right back hi I'm Dr. Susan block

and I've just written a new book called the bonobo way inspired by my love for the make love not war

great apes you know the ones who have a lot of sex in a bonobo sutra of positions including face to face

but it's not just how bonobos have sex it's how they use sex to prevent murder and war

really they're the only great apes that have never been seen killing each other they practice what I call peace through pleasure

with the females gently dominating the very happy very sexually satisfied males bonobos are special

partly because they just are and partly because they're very very close to us almost 99% genetically similar

to us when it comes to being human even being humane bonobos can teach us so much

which brings me to us and more specifically to you is your inner bonobo longing to swing free

would you like to tap into the hot natural sex energy within you that you would so you can better enjoy the pleasures in life

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eco sexual movement of our times and improve your love life since sisters we are going to have a Sybian ride

Sybian ride Sybian ride so you've never been on a Sybian before no I've never been on one before

okay now you are ready to ascend the throne Mr. Tracy you are going to ride

God's machine put one leg right here put the other right here and just position yourself comfortably put your clip right here

okay so here she goes mountain oh I have many a time my favorite horse to ride

have Sybian yoga and experience it to the fullest go for the g-spot go for the clip

go for whatever works ride in the Sybian wow holy shit

that does the job Sybian strikes again yes I do say that when it feels good

live on Dr.Suzi.tv from the womb room in bonoboville ride on cowboy

take a deep breath deep breath relax breath

we never get tired of watching a pretty girl on the Sybian celebrating masturbation month yes

hallelujah morning morning princess

yes yes princess princess

princess that is a beautiful thing thank you Dr. Susan Block your wonderful human being

wonderful human being Dr. Susan Block whoo I think we have orgasm houston and let's have a hand

we have lift off we have left off stop vah ejection

vee five sister pennies testify that you masturbate and you are not ashamed

how was it what's your report My vagina is so tingly right now, it feels like pop rock. I'm just gonna take this home and take it off. I think it's bigger than your little body.

That is the best product endorsement I've ever seen. Can I leave now? Like, I'm ready, I'm... Come on.

I feel like I could at least leave this one. We're so husband! You got the simian, you don't need the husband. Oh my god!

Don't let her fall over. Oh! Whoa! Whoa!

Whoa! Hey, darling girl. I love you. I love you.

That's my girl. We're listening to Radio Suzy One on the World Wide Web, and now here she is, Dr. Susan Block. Yes, indeed, brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, and lassies and leprechauns and limerick lovers and authors and porn stars.

Yes, you got to get a microphone. If you're gonna talk, especially don't try lip-syncing to me, because I can't understand what you're saying. So we are joined tonight by the lovely Kristin Craves.

Can you get her a microphone? Is there another mic? No, there's only four mics up there. There's only four mics.

Maybe you guys can share? Yeah? Yeah? There we go.

Okay. You got a mic? No, no. We're doing.

Hello, Kristin Craves. Hello. How are you doing? Welcome back.

I guess you didn't get enough last week. Oh my god. I couldn't get enough. I'm here again.

You were just... Natalie Chin. A fantastic harem girl, eunuch in the King's harem, and you really just outdid yourself. The King loved you maybe better than Esther in a way, and that often happens, you know,

how that goes. And he's certainly multi-amorous, the King of Eshvera. And yeah, and then you got in with the guard, and of course our lovely Jackie Blue. Jackie.

Jackie. There she is. She could crawl up here and sort of... Jackie, come sit by me.

You could sit by our green girl. We're squeezing. That's why we have these big chairs. So we can all squeeze in together.

Those are our HBO chairs. They are. HBO wanted us to have more than one person in each chair. They thought of that.

So here we are. And so you're back for more. And tonight, it's Green Night, which of course Trump is allergic to, but he has a green dildo giving him a gag order.

So he has to shut up. I had some to put in his mouth, too. I bet you do. I bet you do.

He is not very nice to a lot of people, including our... He's very high intellect, of course, you know, when you speak. You know, I'm looking at him taking away my disability and my health care. So I'm like, very angry.

Don't worry. Oh, disability, health care, meals on wheels, after-school lunches, everything. They're going to give you education. I think they're destroying the whole education department.

They're going to give her socialized medicine when she's in prison. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, they want to put more people in prison. They say we don't have concentration camps anymore.

Yeah, right. And I guess we don't, but we do have prisons. And it is one of our biggest growth industries in America. Maybe the biggest besides the military, the defense industry.

If they keep rounding up the immigrants, yes. We're going to have camps with concentration. Concentrations of people. So resist.

I'm wearing my safety pins. You know, I know some people... 20,000 new cells have been organized. 20,000 new cells.

Go back to the Girl Scouts. To take away immigrants. They used to own this land to begin with. Well, anyway.

I mean, it doesn't seem as though the Trump administration means a lot of good things for the LGBTQ community. What about the polyamory community? Does it mean anything?

Well, I'm not quite aware of it yet. Get off the radar. I mean, you have to bear in mind that we do have a vice president who's been very, very clear about how any sex that falls

outside of heterosexual long-term monogamous marriage is not okay. And that includes all of us. Yes, everyone.

You can know. So it's kind of hard to be part of this community and not necessarily on the same bandwagon. And hey, Mike Pence.

Your granddad was an immigrant from Ireland. That's right. From Ireland. And a woman.

So, you know, have a little heart. That's what your prime minister said. And so, heart and sex. Where's that book?

Okay. So next week, we're going to have Penhouse with some new Penhouse variation books, including this one on quickies that, you know, if you're polyamorous, you know,

you're very busy. So you need a lot of quickies. What they're really good for, though, is reading quickly. That's what they're, you know, reading, reading.

This is this, erotica is really fun. And you can read this, you know, in like five minutes. You can read each story. So, you know, you don't get that involved

with the characters, but it's great to just have a quickie, reading-wise. And you get involved with yourself a lot. Well, you could.

Or you could inspire you to get involved with your significant other or others. Right. And there are several threesome so far.

I haven't gotten totally into it, because I've been busy reading Dedeker's book. But next week, we're going to have Penhouse Pets. Layla Sin is coming back.

We love Layla Sin. She was here. And also, Christiana Sin, although they're not sisters, because they're not related.

She spells her C-I-N-N. Why do they all call? Well, it's the same reason I say brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners.

It's like, yeah, this thing called sex has been declared a sin. And there's Holly. Is she calling? Kelly Holland?

I don't know. Maybe. We hope so. We love Kelly Holland.

Kelly is the new publisher of Penhouse. And she's really expanding Penhouse in many ways. And keeping it sexy, unlike I'm not sure what's going on with Playboy really.

And political. Like Guccioni did. Right. Guccioni was always a little artsy and political.

Very political. Right. Well, Playboy was a little political. But I don't know.

It's kind of, I don't know what's going on with Playboy. But there we go. And we are going to have them next week. And then in a couple of weeks,

we're going to have our 25th wedding anniversary. Ow! So, you know. See, I'm Polly Amherstue.

She has ten toes. Yeah. And boy, I love every one of them. One is a big model.

That's right. He does make up identities on my toes. That's true. I love those toes.

So there's Polly Amherstue in a lot of situations. You know, it kind of, we have this desire to love many. We do. And speaking of that, I'm not sure how this connects,

but I just want to give a shout out to Chuck Berry up in heaven. Yes, Chuck Berry. Because he just passed. And he's 90 years old.

And when he passed, and he really kind of invented rock and roll. And what does rock and roll mean, class? Everything. Everything?

No. I mean, it means a lot of things. But the main thing that it means is sex. Sex.

Sex. Rock and roll. You missed other two. Sweet jelly roll.

Anyway, it was a code that was originally what it was. And he just came out with an album right before he passed away. Really? He's lost.

Well, we don't have that. Maybe we don't. Maybe we do. But we do have our favorite song by Chuck Berry,

which maybe will play as we do Bonoboville Communion. Because that often needs a good, you know, kind of musical soundtrack, right? So guys in the back, you're going to get it ready for us.

Okay. And so, get it ready. Let's see. I will offer my guess to take it first,

although maybe we should have a demonstration. I don't know. Let's have somebody demonstrate. Show us how it's done.

Oh, okay. Oh, so you guys, you want to do it? You want to just, have you done it? No.

It doesn't matter. You're active to do it. No, right. Okay.

So what is involved? And by the way, it is very St. Patrick. St. Patrick himself was quite a drinker. And he really not only brought Christianity to Ireland

with a lot of Guinness, but he also is said to have converted an innkeeper from being stingy with his drink to being generous. So, you know, he was stiffing his patrons

and not in the sexual way. So we do this with salt here. It's communion. This is our religious service communion.

And I am the high priestess of communion. And did you want to do it? You want to do it first? You seem very anxious.

What am I going to do? Well, you would... What am I doing? You're going to be my altar girl.

You're going to be an altar girl. Okay. So come on up here. Okay.

Let's see. You can sit here. Okay. And you are going to be an altar girl.

Usually a good place is the boobs, which I'm sure you're not reluctant to show. Hi. Hi.

Now you have a microphone. I have a microphone. Okay. Are you ready for this?

Yes, I am. Okay. So your boobs, please. Boobs.

Your altar. Well, no, you have to take this off because I'm going to put the... All of it?

Well, you don't have to. No, I will. Okay. She's being coy.

I know. She don't twist my arm. No. I won't.

Okay. This is Kristen Craves. And Kristen Craves being arm twisted to take off her top and show her beautiful boobs. There you go.

Okay. So there we go. Okay. Okay.

So now who's going to take communion? I think she was hoping you would, Natalie. That means just licking up the salt. And could I have the glass?

And then, of course, we have the drinking part. What am I doing? Well, you just have to sit there. Okay.

And you... I like this already. At least take off your plaid shirt. It doesn't even look Irish, actually.

Yeah. Yeah. At least show some arm skin, right? Okay.

Arm skin. Ah. And here we go. We have a little Chuck Berry.

I love Chuck Berry. Yeah. Okay. So now...

I love Johnny Cash. You come forward and you kneel because this is communion. Hi, Natalie. What religion were you brought up?

Christian. Okay. Did you take communion? No.

No. Okay. Not that kind of Christian. That's Catholic.

Well, there's different... Well, it's Catholic. I just... Oh, I can't do that.

I was baptized Catholic. Have you ever done a body shot? That's maybe closer. I'd be arrested.

Okay. Well, here you go. Are you ready? So first you take a lick to prepare the altar.

Get it wet because otherwise the salt will fall off. I can't. Okay. Okay.

There we go. Oh, she's doing it with gusto. She's a professional. Right.

Okay. Very good. And there's the lovely salt. Now you lick the salt.

Wonderful. Okay. She did a good job. Okay.

The altar feels good. That was excellent, girl. Okay. So now lean back against your altar.

Lean your back against her. Right. And lean your head back. Head back.

Okay. You're not... That's right. Easily choked.

Are you? Okay. Okay. And lean the head back.

Tilt the head back. Okay. Are you ready? Okay.

Here we go. Beautiful. Down the hatch. Whoa.

That was good. It was a vast one. Nice job. Very good.

Let's hear it for... Before that, like it was my turn. Thank you, Jen. And of course, Christy Craigs.

Very good question. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

That was fun. That was fun. Okay. What do you think of our drinking game?

I love it. Okay. So now... It was creative.

You could play it with your polyamorous partner. I mean, can it be with somebody else? Yeah, yeah. Can we prove?

Yeah. Can we do it with somebody else? Can our money wear our mouth? Yeah.

Absolutely. Wow. I mean... So who...

Your choice. Am I signing up to be taking it or to have it taken off of me? Again, your choice. Would you like to be an altar or a community?

What are you going to do? I think I will commune. You would like to commune. I think I'll keep the train going.

I would like you to be my altar. Ooh. Okay. Aren't you just a lucky one?

Come over and sit here. Ellen. Okay. Ooh.

She gets to choose the body part, though. Move, move, move. A little more. Okay.

You don't have to move away. Just... Okay. And can I have another glass?

Holly Hammer is serving weekend. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Okay.

And so... I love it. Yeah. Would you like to reveal your altar?

No. Natalie Chen. Natalie Chen. Who has never even taken communion before.

Just took her first communion. And now she is going to be an altar girl. And we are very excited about this. Wow.

Beautiful titties. We're sisters. You know that, right? Sure.

Thank you. I vote yes. Take it all off. Yeah.

Okay. Yes. Look at those beautiful... Booys.

I love them. All sizes are beautiful. We love all sizes, really. I mean, we applaud a lot of these.

Is it okay if I take it off your tattoo? Yeah. Okay. Here we go.

Okay. So, Nat, is that on your back? Okay. So, I think you need to turn around.

I love it. Okay. Okay. All right.

And so, give it a lick. And now... Beautiful. The salt.

Hold this, please. Okay. And now, you open your legs, if that's okay. And now you lean back.

And yes. Whoa. She's taking it. Don't laugh.

And down the hatch, Deticker Winston. Whoa. Very good. Let's hear it.

Whoa. Very good, John. Very good, John. I can't do that.

Yeah. You haven't even tried. Okay. Then you don't do that.

Did you want to take communion? I'll take communion. Okay. And where will you take communion from?

I mean... Okay. Who's offering? I know.

Yeah. There's too many good choices. Too many good choices. I feel like...

I feel like some equilibrium is desired here. Equilibrium. I mean... Okay.

I'm not sure what that means. Equilibrium. But I'm all for equilibrium. If you do one tip, you have to do the other.

Yeah, exactly. I think she's saying that the other one is feeling left out. Okay. Okay.

And so here we go. No segregation here. We can't show any of this to you. Keep it together.

All right. So are you going to take it from the titties next to you? Is that it? Yes.

Okay. Very good. Okay. So first you prepare the altar.

It's just not right. You have to do them both. It's a package. Preparing the altar.

Prepare the altar. It's required. How's he doing? We're preparing the altar.

Good. Okay. And now the salt. You're holding your own salt.

Salt from the altar. Okay. No, no. That's okay.

That's okay. I don't care. And now you lick the salt. Yes, my son.

I lick twice the snips. St. Patti, Zaryn, go brawlin. Yes. Lante brawlin.

Okay. And now you lean back against the boobs. Or the stomach or whatever. And now.

Tilt your head. Tilt, tilt. Oh. Wow.

You did good. All the way. Oh, my God. I'm rewarding someone.

Very good. And I did good. I did still. We have a swallower here.

No spitter here, I tell you. All right. Excellent. I really don't want to leave out Todd.

What a good sport. Todd. Todd. Do you want to take Bonoboville Communion?

Todd. Or offer Bonoboville Communion as an altar? Pick her up. You want to be an altar?

Pick your poison. I'll be an altar. Okay. Who wants to take it?

I will. Okay. Are you going to take it from, like, his what? His tool.

Yeah. Exactly. Tool of his trade. Tool of his trade.

All right then. All right. Do you object? No objections.

No objections. All right. No objections here. No.

We're all for objections, except we like a better one. There aren't any. Yeah. Okay.

So, yeah. Okay. Here we go. Oh, yeah.

So long. Well, Facebook shouldn't have been watching any of that. Facebook. Actually.

Facebook has gone. Oh, yeah. Facebook should be in the bar or something. Facebook, we are now showing body parts.

And it's not really an orgy, but, yeah, kind of an oral orgy in a way. You know? I mean, if your definition of orgy is rather broad. What's going on here?

We're taking pants off. That's a sign that there's an orgy in progress of some sort. If you're not watching this, we're taking pants off. This is a porn star.

He's a professional. He's a professional. Yes. A professional.

I think I'm professional going on here. Jackie is certainly salivating. Jackie is ready to give it all she's got. And she got some practice last week, huh?

Right. I see our audience's mouths dropping open. But you know, this is Bonoboville communion. You can take it off of anybody part.

Some kind of people just do it off of the wrist or, you know, back of the neck. But obviously Jackie is doing it off the meat monster here. Yeah. Todd Jones.

Porn star. Excellent. And he is a Bukaki star. And obviously very good at receiving oral sex.

Yeah. You know, it's good to be a good receiver. It's true. It's not all about giving.

It's about receiving with love and joy and a heart on it. Okay. Whoa. Sprinkle, sprinkle.

Well, whoa. Jackie loves salt. Oh my goodness. Okay.

Now this is going to be fun because Jackie is going to lean back. And I think we're going to have the cock on her head. That's what we're going to do. Once she finishes sucking, I don't want to interrupt this.

She's really getting into it. It is St. Patty's Day. You see that, Trump? No, he doesn't see that because now the Facebook camera is off.

All right. And he only watches Fox News and our Facebook feed. That's it. He likes to, you know, he probably has fantasies about being gagged by a green dildo.

Let me take Facebook for a few seconds. All right. Look at that. Wow.

There's a major heart on. What's the size? 10 inches. This is a 10 inch guy.

Wow. That's like super big. Guys do not get intimidated. Okay.

But this is a professional. Not everyone has this. But our Todd does. And how's she doing?

Where's the microphone? Oh, you got it. She's doing amazing. Can you describe her technique?

I'll give her a 10. A 10. All right. Okay.

Well, I'm going to give you the communion if you're ready. Wow. This is educational television. Oh, but then you can go back to sucking if you want.

It's fine. This is how it's done. Lean back. Yeah.

Put the cock on your head. That's perfect. Okay. That is so creative.

Cock on the head and Agua down the throat. I thought this was a relatively sex free show. You know, it was. But now here we are.

We're in Bonoboville. You can go back to that. Okay. Hey, it's Bonoboville.

And Bonobos love oral sex, actually. They do a lot of that. They do a lot of licking and playing. They don't have intercourse very long, like 13 seconds.

They're all premature ejaculators. Once it comes to penis and PIV. What's PIV class? Penis and vagina.

Joseph gets an Agua. I don't know if it's sex if it's so short. Yeah. All right.

So we're almost out of time. Wow. You know, time flies when you're having sucking cock. That too, I guess.

Yikes. So it's been quite a show. I mean, this has been kind of a little bit of a makeshift orgy here. And we have been talking about all forms of multiamary,

relationship, anarchy, polyamory, little bit of swinging, a little bit of orgy. And my guest has been the amazing, where's the book? The amazing, Dettigar Winston.

Let's hear it. And go get her book. Okay. The smart girls guide to polyamory.

That's right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anything else you want to tell our audience in these last moments?

I mean, I don't think I can follow that act. Well, you're actually doing it at the same time. Even more difficult. But yeah, check her out, get her book.

It's on Amazon, of course, and in Barnes & Noble and all those good places. And you can also check out her multiamary podcast with our other guest here, Jason Lindgren.

Yes, indeed. How do they find that? Anything else you want to tell us? Where do we find the multiamary podcast?

Multiamary.com or on iTunes or Stitcher or wherever. Google Multiamary. You'll find us.

You will find us. Google oral sex and you'll find Jackie. Okay. And we're also going to thank Jackie.

We're not going to thank these people yet. They have their mouths full. Okay. We're going to thank Natalie Chen.

Thank you for being a great altar girl. And good luck to you on your journey through polyamory. I mean, it sounds like you're going to explore. It fits with doing porn, you know, to some extent.

So that's really cool. You should check out this book. I will. I'm going to check out that book and your podcast.

Okay. And now, where do we find you? Twitter. It's under TS Natalie Chen.

All right. Yeah. Because I have a dick. We'll have to see that next time.

Okay. Give it up for Natalie Chen. This is Kristin Craves. Kristin Craves.

And Kristin is here for a second. Yup. Second week in a row. Second week in a row.

Yes. Welcome back. April 8th. I'll be here.

All right. Yes. Anniversary. Anniversary.

Okay. I will be here. All right. And she's at Kristin Underscore Craves.

Give it up for Jackie. Fuck. She loves her work. Woo.

I love you, girl. Yeah. Bam. Yes.

Yes. And book spanking. Book spanking. We're into it.

Book spanking. Read it or get read by it. Listen to your doctor, please. When she tells you.

Are there people using your book in this manner? That's the first time that I've witnessed this. Well, now you know. You invented it.

Books make great paddles. And this one's got some heft to it. Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

Good job. Okay. So. Oh, Todd.

Todd? Todd. Thank you for joining us. Oh, I'm happy to be here.

So. You seem happy. And you know what? Here's where honesty is the best policy.

And you don't even have to try. We know you're happy to be here. Unless you're taking something and then that's okay too. So we find you.

I know you're on Twitter at Todd Jones XXX. And you've got movies out there. Movies, everything. Hold on.

Cocky. Cockies. Yep. And a 10-inch penis.

Yes. Woo-hoo. And I want to see it. Not that we don't like little ones too.

We do. I like all sizes. All sizes. So, okay.

All right. And Jackie's busy. And Gypsy is looking lovely in her green. And so thank you, brothers and sisters, lovers and centers.

Thank you, Captain Max. Thank you. Did you have something to tell us in our final moments? What do I have to say?

What do you have to say? I wake up, people. We've got nationalists that are taking over the country. No.

Yes. Oh, God. And they're taking away all the things that I fought for. That's not right.

For 40 years of my life. That's bull. And it ain't going to happen. We shouldn't let it happen.

Well, we shouldn't let it happen. They're taking away everything that we have fought for the last 70 years. And they're laughing about it. And they lost the election because it was stolen.

It was rigged. Well, Hillary won the popular vote. Yes, she did. It was stolen by the college.

It was a case of electoral dysfunction. Dysfunction. And that is one thing we have to do, brothers and sisters, is get rid of the electoral college so us, you know,

cosmopolitan, polyamorous type people that tend to be on the coasts, dedicated families notwithstanding, you know, I mean, we are a little tired of being run by the people in the middle of the country.

So the way to handle that is to get rid of the electoral college, which of course is not going to happen while the Republicans are in charge of everything. And by the way, the Republicans are also tired of you people

because they're going to take your food stamps. They're going to take your health care. They're not going to give you any jobs like the pipeline. Trump says, oh yes, you can have foreign steel.

Right. He does say he's going to have jobs in the coal mines. You all bend over now. Send you all down to get black lung and no health care.

There you go. You all bend down. All right. So we do have a political action aspect to this show.

And yet we are here for you, whether you're a Trump supporter or not, whatever you are, you can reach out to us. And actually most of my therapy clients are Trump supporters from Trump country because that's where people seem

to need the most help. So we're here to help. And maybe it'll help turn the country around if we can help people be a little bit more honest,

at least with themselves. Start with yourself, being honest with yourself. And then we'll go from there, whether you do it with your deacon and your wife's sister.

Or your sister's wife. Anyway, Jackie is still busy. She is busy. I love it.

She's a workaholic. That's the way to be, Jackie. You want to be successful? There you go.

Show them how it's done. Nice work as you can get it. Okay, so what we got to say is resist, but do it peacefully, peace through pleasure.

Make like bonobos, the original multi-amorous. Make like bonobos, not baboons. Make love, not war. Peace.

Make love to someone you love tonight. Even if that someone is you. You could. Erin go brawless.

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