4th of July Freedom & Bondage

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Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists, voyeurs and connoisseurs,

freedom lovers and bondage lovers, citizens and immigrants and visitors. Happy Fourth of July weekend from Bonoboville. Shoot water pistols, not real pistols.

They clap in these complete ways. Sweat and like a horn. Lime and change is upon us. And yes, brothers and sisters, if you're tuned in live, it is Fourth of July weekend and

we here in Bonoboville are patriots. Not patriots, who wave the flag of hate and bigotry with a sickening, cruel pride.

We wave the flag, or, you know, jiggle the flag, as it were, like Bonobos, for all who need to come here. Come and come again. Yes, indeed.

Happy birthday, USA. We are, when, no, 200, 200, only 243 years young, which is very young for a country,

though Native Americans have been here for thousands of years, and Euro-Americans almost wiped them out on a trail of tears. And now, a lot of Euro-Americans

are locking up descendants of those Native Americans and their children, their children, separately in terrible Trump camps. There is, I'll get you.

We're going to tie him up, the Trumpists. But, you know, we don't have to do all the work. God or the goddess in the heavens made some of it happen. And yes, indeed, brothers and sisters,

it rained on Trump's parade. What a coincidence. And I'd say the rain was the tears of our founders over Trump's concentration camps for kids,

but, well, maybe not. Those same revered founders slaughtered Native Americans and worked African-American slaves to death. So I don't know what they would think of Trump.

In any case, I love the Fourth of July, can you tell? The flag, the fireworks, the shooting of water pistols, not real pistols. I try to ignore that it celebrates war.

And, you know, it's hard to do that because there's this song about rockets red glare and that I could think of as a kid was fireworks, but bombs bursting in air.

I don't know, I thought, wow, that's pretty heavy duty. Now our military fetishist commander-in-chief who is sitting there in his Fourth of July regalia, gagged, we keep him under gag order

with a penis pacifier. You might want to show him, just show how we keep him under gag order with his penis pacifier.

That is the only way he's allowed in here, and sitting on his Jeffrey Valance art Trump puppy pee pad. In case he has an accident which he has had, actually.

So, they come in handy. They're really useful. So anyway, our military fetishist commander-in-chief, yeah, he had the Trump parade, you know.

And besides celebrating Trump, it did celebrate war and the trappings of war, mostly trappings more than actual war.

I mean, I have to say, it's fortunate that he hasn't gotten us into a brand new war yet, unlike Bush the Younger, and actually Bush the Elder,

and even Clinton. You know, I got a-handed to him, although I'm keeping him gagged because he has a potty mouth, but at least, you know, President Bones Spurs,

you know, he was a draft dodger, of course. And actually, I do not hold this against him. I don't. I hold a lot against him. The kiddie concentration camps,

that one I can't let go of. But being a draft dodger, some of my best friends have been draft dodgers. I think it's a very distinguished position to be in,

especially in terms of that awful, stupid war. Well, most of them are awful and stupid, but the Vietnam War, come on. Really. Terrible.

So, you know, okay. He dodged the draft. He got a doctor to write him a note. I had a friend who took acid

and threw up all over, you know, everybody. That's pretty inventive. Yeah, yeah. I had some inventive friends. But, you know, Trump does,

despite his fear of war, of getting himself involved in war, Trump has a weapons fetish. I mean, maybe so do I.

Whoa! And I'm hitting the spot on sunshine with waves. Beautiful natural boobs.

Thank you. I think it's Facebook friendly. It's hot Facebook. I'm sorry if we're getting her boobs wet.

And it rained on Trump's parade, so it's kind of like a metaphor. I don't know. Anyway, he has this,

he has weapons porn is the word, really. I mean, weapons porn. Well, you know, the flyovers with the jets and then the tanks just sitting there.

I mean, the tanks can't go through our streets because they ruin the streets. And I think they're really old tanks. I'm not sure, like Sherman tanks or something.

Anyway, they were for decoration. Yes, but all those troops, I mean, from every different branch, including the soon-to-be space force.

Yeah, I think we just went off of something there. It looks like, I don't know. I'm not going to worry about it. I'm going to worry about getting soaked.

Ready to get soaked? To the tune of $2.5 million for this, you know, weapons fetish, military fiasco.

And I got to say, even though other people have said it. She's still squirting me when she's real. Well, I have to say, also, he says he can't afford toothpaste for the kids.

Can't afford toothpaste or soap, but he can afford this monstrosity. And then he made a big boo-boo, which is so cute.

I mean, there's so much comic relief, but this one, he's talking about the Revolutionary War and maybe he's talking about the War of 1812, you know, at the latest.

But he's saying, are army men the heir? It rammed the ramparts. It took over the airports. That's actually what Trump said.

It took over the airports. It did everything it had to do. Took over the airports. I wonder if George Washington had a wrestle with TSA.

Like I did. Anyway, took over the airports. Then he tried to blame his teleprompter. I've tried to blame my teleprompter.

I don't even have one anymore. I just have these notes. But, you know, I've had teleprompters and yeah, you could blame them.

But I don't know about saying airports. What? I don't get it, except that it's T-Rump. That's it, you know.

By the way, my blood red, off-white and navy blue bikini is created by Mario Sosito, the artist Mario Sosito who might be out there. Shout out to Mario.

So, yeah, Ivanka was not at Daddy's Parade. She didn't have to mess up her hair. She and Jared went to a party in the Hamptons, you know, while the kids are in the concentration camps.

And, you know, Nepetism Barbie had already inserted herself into the G20 Convos with, you know, all these leaders of state and one of whom, like, looked at her. Like, I can't believe you are prattling on.

I mean, and she's very poised. I mean, she looks good. She looks like a Barbie doll, you know, gorgeous. And it started a hashtag of unwanted Ivanka.

Can we make that into a real product? Nepetism Barbie? Nepetism Barbie. Somebody's already done it, right?

I wish I had invented that term, but I did not. I got it on the Internet, on Twitter, of course. And it's already being used a lot. But I figure some of my viewers might not know about

Nepetism Barbie. So there she is. It's the perfect name for her. And yes, 243 years ago, the founders,

though they did hold slaves and they did slaughter Native Americans, they, at least they wanted a government without a king, you know, without a royal family, without the trappings of monarchy.

And I mean, you know, maybe they're messed up in a lot of ways they are, they were. But that's a beautiful concept that, you know, we've tried to live up to, but no longer.

Now the Trump crime family is the Trump royal family. And they have met the queen. It's official. So, you know, and Ivanka gets her position

because she is Princess Ivanka, obviously. It just goes without saying. And I think a lot of his supporters are good, not just okay with that.

They love that. They, you know, a lot of people want a monarchy. Isn't that right, Max? That's right.

I'm a monarchy. Too bad you're not. And an anarchist. Okay.

But how about King Trump? Listen, the kings named themselves kings. Well, if only he had as much power as Queen Elizabeth, it might not be too bad.

So anyway, even in the midst of obnoxious Trump royal family, crime family, antics and concentration camps for kids and icy family separations and unconstitutional anti-freedom laws

like cesta, fosta, even with post-Trump stress disorder, sex disorder, excuse me. Of course there's a stress disorder,

but I'm the one you go to for post-Trump sex disorder. I'm the one that Rush Limbaugh went to for post-Trump sex disorder.

And we're going to have that clip up on YouTube very shortly. So even with all that, we can still celebrate America's birthday.

Woo-hoo. Si se puede. Yes, we can. And freedom, yes.

I wanted to say in a positive way, free Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning. They are freedom fighters. And Pamela Anderson is kind of another Barbie

in a way. I mean, she's had at least as much work done as Ivanka. Maybe more. But she has gravitas.

And she has an interesting lover named Julian Assange who is in a maximum security prison in England at Belmarsh. He's very sick.

He needs to be freed. He's one of the greatest truth tellers in the world exposing what is beneath the panties of the star-spangled banner.

And so many of us cannot bear to hear or see that truth. But back to fireworks, right? Back to fireworks. We all love fireworks.

I love fireworks. I do. And our actual Fourth of July this year, well, we just moved into this place,

which is great in a lot of ways, the new Little Love Church of the Bonobo Way. Don't we love it? Yeah.

Can I get an amen? Amen. Can I get an A-Women? A-Women.

We love the new Little Love Church of the Bonobo Way and the new village of Bonoboville. But we have a crummy roof for watching fireworks. No good.

You slide off of it. Especially actually considering the underground fireworks that are now going on, by the way. I mean, I thought it was our morning orgasms the other day.

On the Fourth of July morning, there was like a big earthquake. I mean, right? That's right.

You made the earth move, honey. I made the earth move, baby. Yeah, you did. And then we thought maybe it's Betsy the dog.

Oh, no. I made a bed. It isn't like that. And then we went, oh my God, earthquake.

California. It was kind of romantic. Yeah. Oh, wait.

Oh, romantic. And then the next one, I was in the toilet, which was not so romantic. But it was a bigger earthquake.

So it's kind of scary. Did you feel that one? I felt one on the bus. Yeah.

You know, that always sounds kind of sexual to me. Did you feel it? Did you feel the quake? I felt it was 20 other people.

Like, was it good for you? You know, especially if it wasn't bad and didn't kill anybody, which these two quakes, I don't believe killed anybody. So, you know, when you ask that, is it good?

Well, did you feel the quake? It's like, yeah, baby, I felt it. Did you? Uh-huh.

You know, it's funny how fireworks can symbolize sexual orgasm on the one hand and then the bombs bursting in air and the guns shooting on the other. Oh, my God.

That's nice. That's really nice. I like that. Yeah, you like that.

Yeah. You like that. I like that. But here in Bonoboville, we love the fireworks of sex,

not bombs and love and not war. And we're going to, you know, celebrate. Here's Betsy, Betsy and Anna and Miguel and I because we couldn't watch fireworks from the roof

and we went to the park, but there were no fireworks there. So, we all went to the street. We saw the people's fireworks, brothers and sisters. That's right.

Right in the street, it was like, you know, people from Mexico, Central America, Africa, Europe, and mostly Asia actually in this neighborhood. And in other words, the American people from everywhere.

It was really kind of beautiful in a way, kind of a mess. Like everybody's leaving the wrappers all over the street. It was terrible pollution, but it was really beautiful and not as spectacular as the chrysanthemum fireworks

exploding over your head, but, you know, kind of cool. People set off by brave American or maybe not American, but, you know, people and pyromaniacs and kids like seven years old, which I don't think is a good idea.

I do not recommend that. But there were these tiny little kids shooting off fireworks in the street, you know, it was kind of crazy. Everybody's got a different idea of parenting, I guess.

Okay, so it's still Fourth of July weekend. So be careful with those homemade fireworks. Don't be shooting off your fingers because how you're going to finger anybody if you don't got no fingers.

It's very important to finger, finger, finger, finger. Figuring is one of the favorite sexual things to do. And it's relatively safe, you know. It doesn't involve, you know, all the intercourse concerns

of transmission of disease. I mean, unless your hand is diseased, you know. And I guess if you want to be very, very careful, you put on those, you know, plastic latex gloves,

which are okay. But, I mean, the latex gloves when you're fingering is kind of cool, whereas the latex over the vulva when you're trying to go downtown, you know, not so cool.

I don't know. People do it now, and I'm all for it. I just, I don't know. Saran wrap between me and the pussy is a little sort of strange, but that might be because I'm an older person.

And so I want to recommend that people do that because it does help to prevent disease. So fireworks, orgasms for the eyes. Yes, indeed.

Have you seen the new manicures where the girls get the long nails, but only these ones are short? You know? No? You haven't seen them? The new manicures?

Yeah, there's, like, Mimi's about it on Facebook. Oh, yeah! Where you get the really long nails with these, too. Well, I don't do a lot of fingering, right?

Yeah, yeah, you should have short fingernails. You're going to scratch my cervix! But at some point, actually, this fingernail is going to break, and then I'm going to cut them all,

and then I'll be fingering like crazy. Watch out! Watch out! Okay.

So I just want to say a little bit, not much about publishing news. Ah. There's some, several things.

And then I'm going to get to my fabulous guest, who I'm not going to introduce yet. I'm going to keep you in suspense. But let's just say tonight's subject is freedom

and bondage. Yeah. So, you know? Freedom is the greatest aphrodisiac,

but bondage is a close second. But we'll get to that in a minute. In publishing news, 67 years ago,

a magazine started that made me laugh. I'm not going to say it changed my life. And I wasn't alive when it started,

but I was certainly alive when it was in its full flower. And it's closing down. And I am so sad

that Mad Magazine is closing down. It's just really tragic. It is still fresh and funny. They just had a cartoon with Ivanka,

speaking of nepotism Barbie. And Jared looking just like Alfred E. Newman. He was, you know, he does kind of look like him,

you know, with a tooth missing, you know. Anyway, I'm so sad that there's no more Mad. And so another publishing thing that occurred this week is Captain Max's encounter

with oodles of copies of his publications. Love, hate, finger. How are you going to finger anybody with no fingers? You got to have fingers.

Fingers the most important thing. Fingers might be the most important sexual body part. I kind of think, in a way, I mean lips are real important.

The eyes, of course. But boobs, if you're into boobs. And genitalia, don't knock genitalia. And the biggest sexual organ,

who knows what the biggest sexual organ of the body is? No takers. No, not the brain. I see someone smart pointing to her brain.

But, you know, your brain might be pretty big. But the biggest sexual organ of the body is the skin. Oh, really? It's all over us.

And it's all very sensitive in different ways. The skin is the biggest sexual organ of the body. A beautiful... And you got to learn how to touch it right with those fingers.

And you forgot God. Okay, well, I'm back to you. Okay, finger. Okay, so love, hate, finger, God.

And Annie Sprinkles hot shit. And maybe a few others. A few others. A few others.

Ladies' room. Many others. Annie Sprinkles. Shout out to our friend.

Blah, blah, blah. Annie Sprinkles. Well, but... But those were sex magazines.

These were the sex... This particular gentleman, who came over, said that your magazines changed his life. And that he was brought up by a junkie mother

and a gangbanger dad. And that he was very depressed and he was beaten a lot. And he just found your magazines and he found them to be really uplifting.

You know, it's hard, super hard core. I mean, I'm... Forget hustler. Forget...

Forget... No, these are hard, hard, hardest of the hard core. Okay. We...

I can't even put them on the blog. I just published them. The people would send in their photos. Right.

And they would send in their stories. And I would just take them and paste them up. Read or written. Yeah.

Max invented... Well, I don't know if you invented it, but you were doing reader-written publishing in the very beginning.

I mean, let's just say now everything is reader-written. Of course. There's no more journalism. Everyone is a journalist.

We all have blogs. We all have Twitter or Facebook. We're all posting what we think, what we feel, what we did,

what we believe in, what we like. And, yeah. But you started it by, you know, sharing what the reader sent you without editing it.

And everyone was horrified. Horrified. And they sent you a lot of sex. Well, because it wasn't like we were told.

It was like Playboy and... It was all very nice. Everything was nice. And then I started getting these pictures.

These pictures didn't look like pictures in Playboy. And we thought, oh, my goodness, our readers are really... There's something wrong with our readers.

What's wrong with Pervinah? There was nothing wrong with the readers. It's normal stuff. People hanging from feelings and...

Well, all kinds of things. All kinds of things. So anyway, you'll see some of those things on the blog. I guess we don't have the magazines here.

The guy only let us take pictures of them. But he's going to come back, and I think he's going to give you some of your own magazines. So that's exciting.

And then, also today, we went out today, which was really weird. What? We don't go out very often.

We don't go out. Right. So we went to a memorial for a friend of ours that both of us met separately.

And that this guy is kind of known as, for some people, the greatest journalist of LA

of, let's say, the last 75 years or so, or maybe longer. And for others, I mean,

the New York Times called him the Pied Piper of the Left, but that makes it sound like he, you know, kind of played his pipes

and let the children just fall off the cliff. But no, he was kind and he was good

and he printed the truth when no one else did. And his name was Art Konkin, and he was the publisher

of the legendary LA Free Press, which was, like, the only lefty publication.

And he started publishing in 1965, before you, Max. Yeah. And an amazing, fearless publisher.

Of course, you're amazing and fearless, but we'll talk about you more in a minute. But for now, we're talking about art.

And most of the people at the memorial, actually, there were some very old people. They were old. They were old. And many of them met art

in his LA Free Press days through the LA Free Press, somehow. Now, I met art at a swing party.

That's me. And you know what? That's art. And so, you know, it was like a good old-fashioned swing party.

None of this Polly meet-up stuff. No. This was a lot of fucking and sucking. It was the 1980s.

So AIDS was a worry. But Reagan was a bigger worry. And people were horny. People were very horny.

And sex heals a billion times more than it kills. That's my... But my belief, and I can prove it, it heals a billion times more than it kills.

It does kill. Sex does kill. But for the most part, it does not. For the most part, it makes people feel good. And I think, though, when you keep hearing that it kills

and you keep... that it does hurt more because you have a bad feeling about it. Anyway, I was new in LA,

and the LA Free Press wasn't publishing at the time. I'm very sad about that. And actually, there was a guy, that guy finger, his last name's finger.

He said to me, art would say, I wish that Susan had been one of my reporters in the LA Free Press. But that would make me, like,

I don't know, 87 years old. So I'm glad I kind of wasn't. But anyway, I did write for the LA Weekly, which was inspired by the LA Free Press.

And actually, Jay Levin was at the memorial. And this was in the days when the LA Weekly was an actual paper that was political. Now, I don't know what it is.

It's an advertising rag. So much journalism has just dissipated. And then the rest of it, of course, is called The Enemy of the People by,

you know who? Okay. So anyway, we're at the swing party, and we didn't have sex.

But we had the greatest, funniest, most inspirational conversation amongst all these people having sex, including my boyfriend at the time.

So it was a good distraction for me because he was, like, having sex. And I was, like, in between partners or something. And so we had this great conversation,

and it was really with all the howling and coming going on, it was a conversation gasm. And you can have a conversation gasm

when you're talking to someone, you go, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, oh, you know? Haven't you had one of those conversations or when you're laughing hysterically

and you can't stop? You know, it's like a conversation gasm. And, you know, I kept having these conversation gasms with art.

It was great. At parties and at Elysium. Anybody know what Elysium was? I know what it is.

Okay. I know what that is. Oh, Mar knows. Right.

Topanga, yeah. It was a nudist resort. It was an amazing, you weren't supposed to have sex,

but people figured out you could do it in the massage rooms quietly. They would do it. But it wasn't a swing party situation.

And they did have kids there. But they had, everybody was naked. It was beautiful. All the naked people running around

like an Elysium, you know, the Elysium Fields. I forget the name of the guy that ran it, but... I forget.

Yeah. He was an interesting character. Anyway, art lived there for a little while. So anyway, so then,

I did have sex with arts competitor. Although I didn't know he was arts competitor at the time.

And actually, I didn't know that he even published the LA Star or Love or Hate or God or Finger.

And I married him. Well, I did know about that before we got married. But not like when we first had sex

or if I knew it was very vague and not, like, really prominent because I was in love. And so we had sex

and then we got married and, well, we fell in love somewhere in between. I think we fell in love before we had sex, actually. Which I recommend, although it's okay

to have sex without being in love. But it's great when you can fall in love first and then have sex, which is what we did. We're so old-fashioned.

Oh, fashion. Yeah. But, you know, Art and I were mortal enemies. Mortal enemies.

So this brings me to my next and final story about Art before I introduce my guest. So one day we're in our downtown loft

and we were the king and queen of downtown speaking of royalty. We were. We ruled downtown from 1998

1998 until 2013 which is when the rents went through the roof. I mean, and even though the roof was great to watch fireworks, it really was.

It was spectacular roof. All of our roofs. But the rent was ridiculous because of the Staple Center

corporate capitalism, blotty, blotty, blot. So we left and we went to Inglewood and then we came here. But while we were in downtown

well hello Betsy. Betsy's sauntering through the set now. Like all the people, yes. Somebody might have some food.

Anyway, in the middle of Max and I sitting in the kitchen or as we call it the commissary in walks this radiant

super powered elf named Art Kunken. And Max is like, oh, he's my mortal enemy. Oh my God.

What do I do? The Rack Wars and I think my people hurt his people and took some of our parody issues

and stuck it in his racks and all kinds of stuff. Anyway, and I'm like, I hadn't seen Art in a while but I love Dart

and I wasn't surprised when he just beamed hello hi Susan and hi Mickey because that's the name he knew you by.

My Mickey is one of your names. That's your publishing old publishing name. I said to him, you know, you sued me Art and he said, I did.

He said, it's in the past. There wasn't a grudge in the room. There was total forgiveness if there was even anything upset.

And maybe he didn't even know that he sued you. It might have been lawyers. He didn't remember. But he was totally,

I mean, it was really like the bonobo way of peace through pleasure in action except they didn't have sex.

Art didn't have sex. That you know of? No. Well, that I know.

That I saw. That they hugged and they embraced it. After all the wars and the smashing of racks

and I never met him until he walked into the warehouse. Oh, right. Okay.

I had never met him. Yeah. And I don't know if he knew you were there but at that point he starts talking about

I'm bringing back the free press. I'm bringing it back and we offered him free space for the free press

and he used it somewhat and then it went online and he didn't need any space. But it was great

to connect with Art again and have you guys make up and then Art well moved to Joshua Tree

from LA which is weird because you know art and the art of art

just kind of left LA and went out to the desert. You know. Anyway, before I connect Joshua Tree

to what I'm about to connect I just want to say thank you Art for the conversation, Gazzams

and I expect to have many, many more with you in that great swing party in the sky. Sooner rather than later.

Art Kunken, brothers and sisters. Art Kunken, let's give his spirit a hand. Thank you. And by the way, it was a great memorial

Art's daughter, Anna Kunken was there, investigative journalist Greg Palast he said the free press was the antidote to the enslaved press.

Lawyer Bruce Margolin you had a good chat with him and a Cuba news editor Cuba news editor Walter Littman

who gave me this a Che Guevara $3 bill. Is it three?

Yeah. A $3 bill. Look at that. I'm so excited about this.

I asked him for a card he also gave me a card his name is Walter Littman I'm definitely going to have him on the show

and he actually translates Cuba news for counter punch where I write sometimes so I had seen his name before

and I was, oh and this guy not so familiar but Jose, what's it say? Jose Martin.

Jose Martin, here's Jose Martin I'm sure he's important. He looks important. But Che Guevara was my heartthrob

when I was a little girl so he was dead but you know who cares a lot of dead heartthrobs Jim Morrison, a lot of them die young

but are sexy you know but I'm glad I didn't marry someone who died young that would be depressing

so also Alma Ciello fellow Yelly who played violin pregnant and naked in the new dance of Zorbacus

back in the day what day? Well her son is now 16 so you do the math

but anyway there was a lot of frolicking and fun in those days

and I understand now there's this horror movie out called what is it called

Midsummer that sort of takes all that type of frolicking have you heard about it? Midsummer

and I think it's a very well done movie from the stuff I've seen but it pisses me off it upsets me

and I guess okay whatever you take all the good things and you turn them into horror movies and then you make people afraid

of just dancing and in the meadow and

let's see who else was there oh I did an interview with Robert Lauding of Indy Media so shout out to them

and I got to say brothers and sisters lovers and sinners in a church an actual church

because I gave a little mini eulogy well a lot of people gave eulogies and I also got to say fuck whoa

in church in front of Jesus and everybody all the angels everybody was there fucking

I said fucking excuse me you're right Abe was there he knows fucking and sucking and I said it kind of fast

but I did say it and actually fucking got a bigger laugh than fucking

brothers and sisters and suckers so that's that I think that's all of our news so now I am ready

for our exciting guest are you ready sunshine alright well we were talking about

Joshua Tree which is where Art went to live out his last years and our guest was just in Joshua Tree

and I'm very excited to welcome Ishaari Ishaara

Gabri did I pronounce your name right Ishaara Gabri Ishaara Gabri

and Ishaara Gabri is from Italy and I want to thank Dr. Serena Gaia Anderlini Donofrio

for introducing us thank you yeah thank you and thank you Serena and

I'm very excited to have Ishaara here and you just went to

to Joshua Tree for a tantric breath work experience

yes a great experience with breath work I'm going to sit over here I guess and talk to you a little bit

okay people from all over the world came and I did for breath work

and me I teach two times a workshop with ropes and breath ropes which brings me to our other theme

of the night which is freedom and bondage freedom is the greatest aphrodisiac

but bondage is a close second that's right it's great to be free and of course the bondage that I'm talking about

that is a close second must be consensual you can't have any of this non consensual bondage

and say that that's an aphrodisiac that is not an aphrodisiac so forget that

and there's too much bondage that is not consensual including these camps

but anyway you are an expert in consensual bondage yes for sure okay it's the first thing

that we teach before to make ropes in the hand of people let's see the rope it looks like you've got rope in your hair

or your hair do you ever tie someone up with all this hair wow beautiful hair roster braids

this is jute jute and they come from Japan Japan

Japan and shout out to our friend professor Oni who is also a shibari

and kimbaku bondage expert your shibari expert do you also do kimbaku yeah okay

they have the same meaning and this looks very rough but it's actually very smooth it feels good

yes depends how you use it well okay you could make it feel bad I think I want you to tie up Trump and make it feel bad

but in a minute first we'll talk about the good tying so how did you get into it though

how did you start bondage for me when I

I never thought about that before and Jess I had a dream in the night a real dream in which I was

naked and white things around my body how old were you five years ago it happened

five years ago you've only been into this for five years only five years that you've been doing this yeah okay okay

and after that I want to explore what really it is so I was looking for

a professional person because I didn't trust someone you know just you met

somewhere and so I found my teacher and now I work with him he's Davide LaGreca

and so you studied in Italy yeah I studied with him in Italy before I made the experience

to be tied and I loved so much that I wanted to learn how to tie myself and I did another school

to learn how to spend and tie myself alone then all my friends want to try and they began to ask me

oh I want to try but I trust only you so I began to

tie other people and I understand that I love a lot to tie people and

it's a different experience to be tied for sure for sure because when someone ties you

you just let go do nothing stay in your feeling and just communicate

if something is wrong or tickling or you feel real bad so you have to tell

you don't get afraid that you know losing control really I use this technique to help people to lose control softly gently

sometimes I tie just one arm or one little part of the body so the people feel comfortable

with the feeling and at the end they finish to be completely tied usually okay

so where are you from in Italy I am from Rome Rome so is Max wow

to Romans yeah I work in the school that is in Rome

it's called Shibari Dojo but I opened a second one with my teacher in Trieste

it's another city in the north of Italy so America has a pretty bad history with slavery but so does Rome actually

I have to say but it's great to be turning around this stuff

and that's really what Kink does Kink turns around the bad things and turns them into something good

it turns it transforms something bad which is bondage

which is a bad thing it's against your will into something beautiful and good and fun

yes, real fun the most of the people that never was tied before told me that

before they were a little bit scary but they want to try and when I untied them they told me

oh where is the ropes I miss them now so it's changed the mind because what your mind

think about it's not what your body usually really need that's very true

what your mind thinks about is not usually what your body really needs because we overthink

we think we think too much there's even a button like that women who think too much

but men do it too everybody does the overthinking thing and sometimes you need to think sometimes you do

you know when ice comes to your door you need to think where can I go

but sometimes, especially in sex you need to not think so much and not that this bondage is always about sex

of course sometimes it's just fun or art yeah but let's face it

a lot of people are interested in bondage because it's a great kind of sex accessory

and it does help you you can relax to lose your mind to let your mind go

and your body flow and really start feeling that biggest organ of the body the skin in relation

to the touch of the ropes and the person tying you up so good okay so

tie me up I don't know you could do a little bit of tying what should you tie

I was going to be your victim but you can be the next victim we have time for more than one victim you're going to be that

hardcore I've never done this before the first thing I have to know if you have any problem in your body

pain or something you don't want to be touched okay the only part I have in my body

with pain is coughing I guess I shouldn't be tied around my neck no neck

I never suggest to do that you know I've seen people do it that's what I would say

otherwise I'm good okay but you know what you want to hold her microphone

so she doesn't have to I'm nervous I'm excited

I'm going to relax famous last words here she is Ishara

she's a professional she knows I'm not relaxed you know I'm not relaxed you know I'm not relaxed

but I'm trying I think the roping is going to relax me either that or I'll have a nervous breakdown

well Betsy is coming over here Betsy knows I'm tied up and can force her to do things she doesn't want to do

Betsy you have been volunt told it can be really dangerous so you have to take care when you do it

yeah well it looks beautiful nice rope yeah very nice

okay oh so there's foreplay and tying people up

this is fun take a breath wow maybe you should move my drink Max

or somebody because you know the rope is going around

and all the time the ropes they are alive they do these things the rope is alive

kind of reminds me of a snake and I love a snake I used to have snakes I have to get a new snake

whoa she's just trying to touch your chi chi she's just trying to touch your chi chi how do you feel

I feel good I feel like a baby that's been like put in a papus

definitely untie is so important like to tie so what would you call this

is this shibari shibari and I am very tied up can I stand up

before you untie me so the camera can see ah well

I'm quite in bondage it's kind of exciting and scary

I feel that Ishara has my best interest at heart she gives a nice hug with her arms as well as her ropes

so it's very nice it really does make you stick your stomach in too

wow very nice and now she's doing the ropes

so we go from bondage to freedom and she does slide the ropes very sensually

over me very sensual it's important I think how you do it besides what you do

oh whoa and is this a position this is like a yoga position right here

what can you put the mic in front of her mouth what is this position called it's good to be

to do some stretching of yoga if you want to be tied um position very strong

usually it's like a spiral let's get to stretch first I think I'm stepping on the rope

oh there we go okay let's give a hand to Ishara and me

oh yeah you look trustworthy you helped me to trust you so now

maybe you can do something with my lovely assistant next victim we're going to bring over the this piece here

okay we're going to bring you a piece okay let me have a mic I'll use I'll be the one

which mic should I use the heavy one or the light one the light one and I'm going to hold this

over here how are you feeling I'm nervous good

she's going to calm you right down because I was nervous too she'll calm you right down she's very trustworthy

at least for me you have to tell me if you feel something tickling in your finger

okay if I have tingling I'll tell you okay so you're going to sit down here

or lie down oh yeah oh it's no shoes although they are

red white and blue stay behind you like this take a big breath

relax are you feeling relaxed no I'm never relaxed even in a relaxed state

I'm not relaxed you have to do nothing because are the ropes that works for you and I will

take care of you for everything you need okay like a sugar daddy right

she's going to be my sugar mommy nice hug it's like a hug a

rope hug that's right beautiful bondage yeah it looks cool

and this is consensual you want this in fact what I was going to do at first no yeah I jumped up and I was like no I was going to do it

so now's your time in each moment you say stop I will stop don't worry

I think in English that's called a safe word right yeah in English we call that a safe word

stop is actually a very good safe word no it's not because sometimes people play and say no stop

stop please but really they want so the best safe word for me is red red

I need to take the other ropes you need more rope okay can I sit on my my legs are starting to

can I sit on my butt more comfortable yeah it's a little more comfortable look that ish

oh yeah for the feets you guys they don't have any toes, nail polish or anything but well some people like that

yeah normally the guys like it the dirty it's a natural well not necessarily dirty oh let me go with this side

how's it feelin when she was squeezing my arms together it felt better than I thought it would

the pressure felt good sometimes yeah it's like a trip to the chiropractor yeah, yeah straightens you up

I wasn't expecting that to feel good at all but it kinda did yeah I'm curious to see what the back looks like I'm curious to see what everything looks like

and the hat really makes it yeah yeah yeah 4th of July Cappy

oh well you're pushing my boobs up that's good that's always good chi chi is up

you feel okay with your finger I think so yeah because how you gonna finger anybody with no fingers if I lose one or two

I have more don't help me please oh she's helping naughty naughty

I'm helping you're moving towards her or something just go limp oh so am I supposed to struggle

am I supposed to fight that tight yeah it's pretty tight it's getting tighter and tighter

yeah yeah yeah that's what she says wow

wow she's really making it as tight as possible oh

the neck that was just a tease I don't think I want to be

tied around my neck I don't think so either it was a free ropes right it was a tease

it got us excited do you make this up as you go along or do you have a plan I have a plan

but the best laid plans may not get you laid the way you plan you never know

oh tying up the ankles scared now scared in a good way or bad way no I'm not sure

is this gonna be over that was a little dominating okay not bad

that kind of tickles well you know a lot of bondage is about domination oh you're mostly not being too dominant

you're being more artistic but a lot of bondage is domination pushing my head down was kind of dominating

that was very dominating that looks dominating okay now untie untie

do you can I stand up it's good if you stay like you want like a Christmas present

you are a Christmas present except on the 4th of July freedom and restraint on the 4th of July

on Dr. Susan Block.TV live from the little love church of the Bonobo way in the new village of

Bonoboville by Trump slap his balls we're gonna tie you up in a

not so nice way we're spending all that money on that parade big tease a little bit of

domination here this is sweet this is not domination as I said a little bit

oh I bet you can be rough especially out there in the desert oh and your hands are still tied up in the back yeah I can feel the

very restraint don't move the hands please yeah let them cause they've been in that position a long time

and there we go beautiful it's so beautiful let's give a big hand

look at the marks oh yeah look at the marks to Ishara and Sunshine

hey until it falls asleep are your hands asleep tingly and they are sensitive

can you feel yeah it looks cool this feels a little emotional

and the marks go away in one hour maximum okay good cause I bruise like a banana so

I don't know that's what you think it'll still be bruised tomorrow maybe that's something I should have told her

ahead of time right that would have been smarter if I were to say hey and I didn't think about it until later did you like it

it was interesting it was thank you yeah some parts of it actually felt good and I wasn't expecting that

yeah I wasn't expecting the pressure part to feel good okay now tie up Betsy no no no no no

I'm just kidding we don't tie up dogs absolutely not yeah right

but we can tie up him Jess tie up Trump everybody wants you to tie up Trump

no more if I will tie him I never will untie so it's better not well you can leave him tied up

no but you want to take your rope home so yeah okay okay

all right let's have Trump tied up now that's right he's gagged already and he's nothing but a big dick with a little pee pee

and his military fetish was in full swing on the 4th of July so now

he's getting fit to be tied she's all right what are you thinking about while you're tying him up

can you repeat what are you thinking about as you tie him up oh yeah I feel

I don't think I just feel the feeling in my hand and the connection right that's right

oh yeah tie up his balls there you go throw away that pad under him oh the face

bondage now yeah tell us about face bondage I like

a lot of face bondage it's the face is a very sensitive part of the body so

the emotion that comes from the ropes on the on the face are very special you hear that

T-Rump you're lucky you're getting face bondage by someone so nice possible

he likes really I bet he would I bet he would like it all right

okay that's it for him we leave him like that smack him on the balls okay there he is

maybe we should hold him up interesting well he's already got a gag

there he is your master work okay you're gonna sit there in the corner T-Rump

T-Rump how much time do we have 15 minutes wow

I can improv e-chorus no I'm just kidding well could we have let me ask you

okay so this part we can have on facebook we're gonna have a little bit of light

boob tying okay here or boob is breast no around the breast

no okay okay what can you tie under if she

without the dress yeah just take it off yeah you can stay

okay okay so let's move this thing she's gonna stay standing up

play sexy music for time no we're not facebook is

going to now show max my boobs are really sensitive is this a bad time to say

she's not tying your boobs she's tying under your boobs okay under my boobs but I still take this off right nice bra

you have to feel comfortable so you have to take off what you want take off what you want yeah

beautiful thanks I grew them myself during puberty alright well they grew very well must have given them plant growth

yeah here we go sunshine is topless just in case you're

not in the expensive seats where actually it's free on Dr. Susan Block.TV but if you're watching on facebook

you can't see this because marky Z is allergic to boobs to nipples

so you know you can't see it but sunshine has beautiful natural boobs and

lovely areola and they're on full display as ishara ties up her arms

and her under boobs under her boobs not the boobs themselves because the boobs themselves are too delicate

yes I've seen people tie up boobs but I see that yeah they're delicate

we can tie but we have to remember that don't stay too long time because

blood and other things have to move inside this is great

we're happy we see boobs we see bondage we are happy oh there's a little bit of tying of the boobs

going on there nipples are sensitive don't make it tight not tight on the nipple

nipple is sensitive right oh okay yeah that's awesome yeah thank you

see you gotta speak up about what you're feeling and whatever you're involved in sex, work

showtime showtime whatever you're involved in you gotta speak up about

how you're feeling and then you get the experience that you need to get that you wanna get ditto

ditto alright you look great I think we should keep you like this

when you're not on shift of course can't very well get the phone like this when you're not on shift you look like we could hang you

from the ceiling like a macrame that would be interesting okay try to find out how to answer the phone like this

with your feet of course yeah I bet you know who's Ken right cause they pick up stuff with their feet

very talented but you're doing good you're standing up straight you're breathing yeah

this is also an exercise in good posture right it forces you to have good posture wow

and somebody should take a picture from behind here oh yeah I'm curious to see what's going on behind someone should get around the bend yeah yeah

thank you the tying down oh no I think it looks cool

it's what okay later and she has a plan yes I do

okay I'm a little scared what's the plan she told you it wouldn't be any fun okay yeah you have to tell me if you don't like

okay my ropes are scary they are emotion they have emotion really

yeah they're like snakes what was that sound this is an epic wedgie an epic wedgie

you hear that facebook viewers she is getting an epic wedgie sunshine is getting an epic wedgie from

the shark whoa okay whoa the wedgie he's really just the wedgie that was too much of a wedgie

and she's tied up with her arms behind her back and with her

her boobs are tied above and below we have a great view of them yeah right

you look good sometimes beauty is painful yeah like a pearl right because pearl

it's just infection in the clam that epic wedgie is getting worked on this wedgie

is just getting deeper and deeper wedgie and camto wow

I don't touch you just the ropes do just the ropes it's the ropes that do it are you feeling very zen

are you you seem relaxed really? okay did you ever tie anyone up

with a hat like that on that makes it in a lot of ways the hat

the hat makes the woman the hat makes the woman she's making quite a little skirt for you there really

really and now how do you feel like I might want to pose for a few pictures then hurry up and take it off

my hands are like you know stationary alright so let's have some applause

for sunshine thank you and ishara ishara gabri

thank you everybody thank you I'm waved by but I can't now I have to untie her

yes you do you don't have to untie trump but you do have to untie sunshine

and it's going to feel so good oh yeah when you are released stretching out the triceps here

yeah it's a good workout a good yoga very yogic I'm glad I wore deodorant today

yeah me too yeah many people who are scared to be touched

for many reasons they can go behind this fear just be touching by the ropes

not for the hand for people so it's a good therapy good therapy yeah for people who

don't want to be touched by hands they might like being touched by ropes some people are like that

there's all kinds of people in this beautiful diverse world out of those boobs field bell

released on top so you can see the back oh look at the back check it out

she's a comedian, comedians don't relax you're pretty relaxed though for me yeah for you

for a lot of people Ishara has a way of relaxing oh there you go nice

it just feels good to take my arms down yeah those arms must enjoy being back

down another wrist those poor wrists but they were tied differently oh that's cool

a different pattern so you have all kinds of interesting bruises yeah

oh and now comes the wedgie or now the wedgie comes off five minutes

so brothers and sisters lovers and sinners once again we've had a show just kind of fly by

yes indeed we have and facebook can't watch right now but

we are doing booby bondage or what are you doing

ok so now we're getting the last little bit of the

whoa wedgie is off and you are free free

we didn't use another word for nothing left to lose jenice joplin said and now you have

your bra back fun and we can have the facebook camera back

facebook hello poor facebook i feel like facebook facebook was in the doghouse

look the face is more relaxed now definitely very relaxed you did a great job ishara

thank you very nice thank you for inviting me i'm so happy to invite you

i'm so happy to have you thank you for sharing your bondage techniques your breath work your beauty

your whole teaching system and thank you again dr serena andervini

dr serena gaya andervini i don't know for you introducing us to ishara and where you go next

um we just go around los angeles okay and for five days and then we i go back

at home okay now you can hold the microphone i don't have to hold it after the breath work conference

i went to before to come here some people invite me to go back here in us

so i will back okay possible in washington in your lives and maybe here in los angeles

when you come back here you are welcome to come to bonoboville and be on the show again we loved having you

and it was perfect for our theme of the fourth of july freedom and bondage

freedom is the greatest for diziac but bondage is a close second and bonobos do a little bit of bondage

bonobos yeah it's kind of like they hold each other down they're not going to use rope to tie each other up but they are

going to sometimes hold each other down and i think it's consensual and they seem to enjoy it in their

sex play and and just play play and so

yes brothers and sisters let's see bye bye art kunkin once again

and trump is still tied up i'm enjoying watching him all tied up and gagged with the rope yeah that's good

and yeah we've had a good time so i hope you have a good rest of your fourth of july weekend

and a fabulous week make like bonobos not baboons make love not war drop bras

not bombs make love to someone you love tonight even if that someone is you

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