DEEP THROAT does 910 WeHo

Full transcript of DEEP THROAT does 910 WeHo on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

Hello, WeHo. Ladies here at the 910 WeHo Center. Yeah, after he did the film, he realized there was no picture for the movie poster. Right.

So he took this picture and he told Linda to pretend like she was a little sea. Like she's starting to like germinating, you know, in the ground. And then she started strottin' and then she comes up. Yeah, I totally see that she is blossoming.

That's exactly what this project is. So lucky we had this photo. And this was another movie poster that came out years later. I don't remember the name of the artist, but, you know, we used that.

I love it. The cleavage and the croissants. That's a good title. The cleavage and the cross.

She became like a sex worker, you know. We wanted to embrace her. Yeah, she's a nurse. Yeah.

Sexual healing, thank you. What kind of glass? What kind of glass? I teach.

Needles 101, so it's a needle play. Needles? Ooh, that's so funny. Wow, I just got my booster shot.

That was kind of cakey. By a nurse. She wasn't dressed like Linda Love, guys. Well, look who's here.

Miss Rhiannon Arron. We're in the right place. Yes, we're in the right place. Thank you.

You're all glittery and nice. This is Tom. Tom is a proprietor. I own this place.

I own this place. I am glad you put it that way. Yes, thank you. It's so nice to meet you.

Rhiannon is a wonderful painter. I almost always give her the Susie Award for most well-rounded cool stuff. I think I have eight of them now. My princess.

Did you call that to all the commoners? Yes. Yes. Did you see the royal chair upstairs?

I don't know. It has your name on it. Right. I stretched out on it.

It was so good to see you. I can't believe how long it's been. I don't know if I'm going to calculate it. We've been telling you a story about the fundraiser.

I don't know what's going on. I'm a surrogate already. I don't know what's going on. Hi, Amber.

How are you? Amber Lyon. Amber Lyon, of course. Nice to see you.

Nice to see you. You look great. Thank you. Yeah.

How are you? I'm good. I'll be breakfast. That's it.

And then we'll have breakfast. How are you? How are you? Adults in this field.

Great. But I was in Steve as having introduced me to anybody. Right? And she squirted all over me and him.

Yeah, all over. And I ate some of that, as a matter of fact. Oh, my God. She was so much fun.

She was such a squirtalicious, beautiful person with a beautiful body. Totally. But we'll have it. Oh, stop it.

Anyway, let's do a picture. No, she's just going. I'm just kidding. But what I need is, you know.

Jerry, I beg you. We can hear you. I was like, wrist for the anti-sex myth. I mean, it became the devil for the religious right.

And then the feminists, anti-porn people kind of took on women's love lives. And so it's just such a center of activity. And he has a lot of people with him. You mentioned that with women's love lives.

It's ironic that both of these, when I first came in, wait in their lives some time later, wonder about the pressure. Common. Birth reason.

With the wife watching. How can he care? He's not wholesome. He's so nice.

About this, different types of people. And of course lots of types. But it would often break down to people that came to it for the sex, like, you know, Hartley.

And people that came to it who had tried regular acting, like Herschel, Savage, who studied with Uda Hagen and Stella Adler. And he just heard somewhere, oh, you could be in a porn movie and make 150 bucks.

Oh yeah, okay. And so yeah, why not? It might be on a lot. Because they were doing it in between making regular things.

So it was happening a lot. They needed to make money. And so they might be an extra. And they might grab some extras and say,

oh, you want to be in a porn movie? There was two years where, and Damiana was talking about this in documentaries, that there really was this belief that there would be a film

that would cross over hardcore sex. The mainstream release. That it was aiming towards that, you know, that crossroad was coming. This is like 73, 74, 75, right?

And it was cut, you know, like a movie like Opening of Mr. Goto. Right. It was mainstreaming itself out. Where Revlon was flirting with having Seika sell cosmetics.

There was this whole period where that wall was really crumbling. Yeah. And then it was just, you know. Your friend Parrish, he stopped that shit.

No, Reagan stopped that shit. Well, Reagan. Reagan, Reagan. Really, really, he grabbed Linda Lovelace.

He said, honey, you're going to stop porn with me. You know, basically, that's where you get on my horse and we're going to stop porn. You know there had to be an FBI.

And that's why she did it, because it was exciting to go the other way. Linda Lovelace for president. Oh, yeah, Linda Lovelace for president. That was before she turned on it.

She had this, you know, exploitation movie basically saying, there's no political future after Vietnam for America, so Linda Lovelace. It's such a political curiosity to look at that show.

I got to look at that one. You had a little hole. Yeah. I really feel like, you know, first I thought I was an expert

in deep throat, now I feel like I'm just getting an introduction. No, really, seriously. Oh, maybe I'll go up and get another picture. Can I get up here?

Oh, yes, indeed. Since I'm late, I'm going to lie in the flag. Give it or get it. Awesome, thank you.

Now they call it throat bucking. It's another arrow, right? Let's just throw this guy in there. To Missy Coordinator, would you like to be introduced

to the sex educator or both? Maybe you should do sex educator, intimacy coordinator, either one is great though. But the intimacy coordinator is very fuzzy,

so it would be kind of interesting. It's different, you know. Hey, sex therapist, I'm not a sex educator, you know, I'm not too, but intimacy coordinator

is a different thing that, of course, they did not have on the set of these girls. Yeah, I know, exactly. Welcome you to 910 Wee Ho.

If you didn't know, this is a dungeon, so now you can check it off your list that you've been through a dungeon. So welcome.

I'm so grateful for bringing me the Amianos and their wonderful film. The movie is so important culturally. It's quite a historic film.

It really started the whole porn industry. It goes beyond just, you know, simple definitions and simple descriptions because it's had such a lasting effect

in our culture from just the movie itself to even the political craziness that was going on with Watergate. So without any further ado,

I'd like to, again, thank you, Dr. Block, for bringing this here. And I'm just going to introduce Dr. Block. Come on up.

Thank you. I feel like I'm in your church, brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners,

all you children of sex. And we are all children of sex. And I want to welcome you to the screening for the 50th anniversary of Deep Throat.

Can I get an A in that? Can I get an A in women? Because Deep Throat is an iconic, historic, very erotic film.

Not everybody's taste, but it's erotic. It's X-rated. And this was a big deal

when it came out in the 1970s, early 70s, 1972. And nobody had any idea what an impact it would have to the point that you can love Deep Throat.

You can hate Deep Throat. But even if you've never seen Deep Throat and a lot of people haven't, you know you've heard of Deep Throat.

Everybody knows about it. It's the most famous porn film in the world, I think. I mean, we were talking about some other films. I don't know if people might remember that

I Am Curious Yellow from, was it Denmark or something? And then of course last night when we were at the Lemley,

we talked to Herschel Savage, who was in Debbie Does Dallas. That was another landmark porn film. And of course the director of this film,

who I should mention right away before I run off. Anyway, the auteur, the creator,

is Gerard Damiano. Can we have a hand? Thank you. Thank you.

And he made this film not quite knowing what would happen with it. I mean, he had an idea. And he wanted it to be called Deep Throat

and some people who were producing, you know, given in the $20,000 he got to make it. And it went on to make, nobody knows, but people say about $600 million

for all you capitalists out there. This is very significant. I mean, this was in a time when they were making loops,

little films, little stag films, little blue films. And this film somehow, like with the wings of Hermes,

or who knows, just circulated among big, big theaters. It was amazing. And we didn't know how amazing.

We thought it was just part of the sexual revolution and that it would go on and that there would be more and more

films, regular films with stories and acting with sex because people have sex. So why not? They do everything else in films.

Why wouldn't they also have sex? And this is what Deep Throat seemed to be the beginning of. It was something else

in a way, this landmark historic film. And we're going to talk about what it was and what it is. We're going to have a panel.

That's how sort of significant and complex this film is. It's something you kind of have to talk about. And people have been talking about it.

There's been movies made, documentaries, books written, all about it. But we seem to still need to talk about it. And that's just a mark of its genius.

It's not even the director Gerard Damiano's favorite film or most people that know Gerard Damiano. They don't consider this his best film.

Maybe Devil and Miss Jones, maybe another one. But certainly not Deep Throat. But Deep Throat captured the culture. Kidnapped.

And got a backlash. Like we still haven't seen the end of. It was when people thought of the evangelicals as kind of this weird little phenomenon.

And they didn't really succeed in shutting it down. But look at how they've kind of taken over. Anyway, it ain't over until we all sing. So we are still fighting, without guns,

the sexual revolution. Make love, not war. And that's what this film represents a lot to me. Because it was happening in the middle of a war,

the end of the war in Vietnam. But we weren't sure when it would end. And Nixon was president. And then this film, Deep Throat,

it just spilled over from the big theaters into politics. It became the name of the Watergate informant. Years later we found out it was this guy named Mark Feld. But at that time we knew Woodward and Bernstein.

And we knew Deep Throat. We knew that this was the source of the end of Richard Melhouse Nixon. And yeah, Tricky Dick thought he was going to shut down Deep Throat.

He really wanted to do that. But Deep Throat shut down Tricky Dick. He resigned. And the more we thought we are winning a sexual revolution,

not to say we've lost. And of course the revolution goes on in each of our souls and bodies and minds. But we've had a few setbacks, brothers and sisters.

And all the more reason I am so thrilled to see you all here and commune in this way. It's tougher and tougher for various reasons to get together. And one of the extraordinary things about Deep Throat

was that it brought people together to watch sex on a screen as big as a house. A tiny house, but a house. And it was really what Barbara Ehrenreich would call collective joy

or I call communal ecstasy. And it's kind of something that people expect to experience in a sporting event or a music concert. But this was in a theater watching sex.

And you're surrounded by other people. I was talking about it on my show the other night. And some of the young people were going, well that doesn't seem right.

You should watch sex on your phone alone. So you can jack off. Well you can jack off then anyway. Most people didn't though.

It was normal theaters. It was non-porn theaters. And there might have been a few people jacking off like there are people jacking off to Tom Cruise

flying his jeffs. They weren't in public jacking off. And they were in public on dates a lot. I went on a date.

We didn't know what we were going to. We'd heard about the Watergate thing. We heard it was a sexy, sexy movie. And I'd been in theater where people got naked

and acted out Greek myths. And I just thought, yeah, why not? And then I saw the genitalia right in my face. Now everybody's used to it.

Although I still think you might be a little shocked because of the hair. It's a lot of it. Not from Linda Lovelace interestingly.

She is shaved but hairy. Anyway, it's such an interesting film and such a complex film. And Linda Lovelace, of course,

is a very, very complex person. She unfortunately passed away. And she is the source of a lot of controversy that this film has had to contend with

besides all the stuff we're just talking about. And there's a lot of people that want to shut it down from the religious right because it's just a sex film. And then there's people on the feminist left

that might want to shut it down because she said she was abused. There's never on the set of Deep Throat by her ex-husband. And there's a lot of controversy there.

I don't want to get into that now. I just want to mention it. We're going to talk about it. I hope you stay for the panel

which is going to involve intimacy coordinator Erin Tillman and fetish model Luxe Lives. And also a couple of people

I'm going to introduce to you right now who really are responsible for bringing this amazing film to us, celebrating its golden anniversary,

the 50th anniversary of Deep Throat, made by their father, Gerard Damiano. These are the adult children. I hesitate to say children.

Let's say son and daughter of Gerard Damiano. Gerard Damiano Jr. and Christa Damiano. And I tell you, if there's any way in which Papa's watching Jerry Damiano,

he's very proud and very happy with his offspring and the wonderful tribute they're giving to his father right now.

Jerry Damiano, you made it to Hollywood. Well, West Hollywood. Wee-ho! Hello, Wee-ho! Here are the Damiano's.

Thank you. Well, welcome everyone. Thanks all for coming. We're really excited that you're here.

We're excited to be here. Our dad would be proud. Yes, that we brought his film to West Hollywood, Hollywood. But he always wanted to be a Hollywood producer.

So here we are. So I have a question for everyone. Who has seen Deep Throat? All right.

This is the most in our audience ever. We always ask this question. You know, we get about 10, sometimes one or two. So this is great.

Everyone has heard of Deep Throat, but not everyone has seen it. So we love to give you the opportunity to come out. So again, thank you.

Stay for the after party. We got some merch, some fun stuff for you. So again, welcome. Thank you so much.

Thank you, Dr. Suzie, for that very in-depth introduction not only to us, but to the film. So I do want to thank you all for coming here and just a word of explanation.

We are at the tail end of a world tour that we've been doing with what is the definitive version of this film. It's a 4K restoration.

So what you're going to be seeing tonight, unless you saw the film in Times Square in 1972, you might have seen a variation or a different version of the film.

If you've seen it on VHS or DVD or porn tube or whatever it is, whatever you get, you're porn. Back in the day, you just had to go to 42nd Street. And until Deep Throat, that wasn't a place

where a lot of women would go, especially not alone, they were working 42nd Street, you know what I mean. But Deep Throat changed all that and other films, too, right behind it.

But Deep Throat got a lot of headlines and entered into the mainstream culture and it really changed things in a lot of ways. And a lot of people have a lot of strong feelings

about the film, especially people who have never seen it, had really big ideas about what Deep Throat is to them and what Deep Throat is about. Our feeling was we just wanted to preserve the film

as our father intended for it to be seen back in 1972 so that people today and in the future could watch it for themselves and make up their own minds what this film really is about and what it means.

So I'm not gonna say anything about the film because for those of you who haven't seen it, you're in for a surprise. For those of you who have, this might be a different version

than you've seen before. And so this is the tail end of, as I said, a world tour. We've been in six countries. This is our 20th show.

I don't know how many, you know, we lost count because we just did one last night. We got one in a few days. And so once it's all done, we'll count them up.

But we've been in Germany, in Italy. They love us. We did six cities in Italy. Holland, Belgium, Canada.

And we got quite a reception in Canada, I must say. And before, again, I don't want to go on because I want to put the movie on. But I will say that it was very hard

to get this show here tonight. And for that, I want to thank Tom for being our host. This is the course we're making out in production. I'm very surprised and pleased to see

such a strong community right here. And it's unusual today for people to come together to watch a porn film like that. And, you know, maybe not with this crowd.

When Deep Throw came out, as I said, people would go to 42nd Street to see the movies. This was a time that they, you know, we now call it porno chic,

where porn and mainstream culture had merged. My father and a lot of other people were working towards this idea that there wouldn't be a stigma about porn,

but also it wouldn't be a separate genre. It would just, you know, be incorporated into filmmaking, that it wouldn't be porn films and films. You know, just films.

And that almost happened until videotape happened, oddly enough. And the role of, you know, the films shifted because when my father was making movies,

he blundered into Deep Throw. He didn't, you know, set out to be a pornographer. He wanted to be a filmmaker. And, you know, he struck a, you know,

struck a role with Deep Throw and, you know, got pigeonholed for making porn films. He's made some of the finest films, you know, of all time.

But when video came out, the role of film became more of a marrow aid. And it brought people, you know, into the bedroom to watch porn.

You didn't have to go out in public. So now it could be kind of part, you know, people would watch with their couple, you know, with their couples would watch,

watch with their partner, partners, watch by yourself like that. So this is new, again, 50 years later to come and come together

to see this film. Now, I won't say any more. We'll talk about it more after. I want to thank Aaron Tillman.

I'm very curious to hear what he has to say and also loves this. I'm very anxious to meet you. And you have to say, as someone working today,

as opposed to, you know, Linda LLX whom you'll see on the screen 50 years ago. So before we begin, I'm going to show a trailer before the feature picture starts

as we like to do in the movie theater. Now, this is a trailer for a film that my father would much rather than we were traveling around the world showing.

He wasn't necessarily proud of Deep Throw's. It was a goof. No one had any idea of what a success it would be.

You know, they thought, you know, the producers, if they tripled their money, they would have been happy. My dad was just trying to finish the movie

like so many people working on it. They just wanted to finish the movie and get it out. So he went on to make better films

that were more along the lines of what he wanted to do. And one of those films, The Devil and the Jones,

is now celebrating its 50th anniversary. And that's a film he much rather be remembered for than Deep Throw. So we're working on a restoration of that.

We hope to be doing the same thing but with some of his more acclaimed, critically acclaimed films. But I'm going to show the trailer

for Devil and the Jones and then we'll go right into the feature. So thanks again everybody for coming out and stick around

and party with us tonight. Find if I smoke while you're eating. No, not at all.

Listen, we have the problem solved. All we have to do now is find a solution. Like what? Like deep throat.

Throat. Have you ever taken a penis all the way down to the bottom of your throat? I tried but I choked.

Well, now I hear it's a matter of discipline. You have to learn to relax the muscles. You have to regulate your breathing to the movement of your head.

It sounds so easy. Well, it is. Try it. You'll like it. Well, what have I got to lose?

Come, you try it. I'm going to tell you all that you will see. Just

to God the solution is quite clear. We'll kind of hit it now.

The bell's yours. Test, test. Testies. Testicles.

Did you see enough testicles? Never. Would you like to swear on those balls?

That's where Last Will and Testament comes from. Your little Bible story.

Anyway, brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, welcome to the

talk back panel for the 50th anniversary of Deep Throat.

Gerard Damiano's Deep Throat. And you've all had the cinematic experience

and we want to hear from you what you feel, what you think, what was tasty,

what was tough to swallow. You know, some of it might be on screen maybe,

but certainly some of the stories off-screen. And we already have a question. Yes. Was there any problem with

Coca-Cola? That's coming, yes. Yes, yes. The problem is that Supreme Court

injustice, Clarence Thomas said who put the pubic hair on my coke can.

Then he became a justice which is part of the sexual revolution, really.

And I just realized in seeing this movie that it probably came from that moment. And I think that Gerard

has a more pertinent story to relate to your question. And it is an interesting question

of why you see Coca-Cola in there and some other product placement. Oh, you want to answer it right away?

Okay. We won't have to come back to it. Yes, a lot of people have asked about how did he get away

with the Coca-Cola jingle which was very, very popular at the time. Instantly recognizable around the world.

I'd like to teach the world to sing. Some people nowadays only know about that if you watched Mad Men.

The finale. Okay. But that was a real moment in America when that was on television

all the time. So, you all might know that film music is very, very expensive to license

the music. It's the most expensive part of many movies. And that's why porn movies are so often the bow-chicka-wow-wow that we hear

because to get like, you know, satisfaction by the Rolling Stones would be your whole budget. So, I believe that they recorded

some original songs when they slipped in the old spice theme. Now, that's not as popular but some of the older people in the crowd

have heard that old spice jingle. Now, these aren't just songs. These were jingles that were very carefully crafted on Madison Avenue to stick

in your brain, you know, their worms or what have you. And so, you know, people often asked why did, you know, how did you

get away with that? Why didn't they sue him? And I never found out the true answer to that question, but I think to me it's obvious. Is that

50 years later, here we are with the Coca-Cola jingle still in our heads. Now, when the film came out and everybody was seeing it, it was a

huge craze, you couldn't buy that kind of advertising. This was the hit this movie and so some people would hear that jingle at home on TV

but you went to see Deep Throat and now there it is and you walk out of the theater you know, getting old spice or you know, let's go have a Coke

and like that. And I think that's why they just let it alone rather than cease and desist. They didn't want to take it out of this. We wouldn't have heard

it tonight. So I think they just let it slide. Yeah. It was a magical moment and they knew it.

That's a great question. I can see people want to just ask what they want to ask. So I'll very quickly

introduce our guests and of course this is Gerard Damiano Jr. and Christa Damiano

who are presenting their father's film Deep Throat Jerry Damiano or Jerry Gerard as he's called

at the end of this film. That's another story. There are so many stories attached to this film and there are so many feelings

that people get and so we're here with a few people, I think from 910 WeHo

and we of course want to thank Tom for opening this establishment to Deep Throat

and it seems so natural. It is so natural. It's so organic. It's so worthwhile historically

and in many many ways educationally, sex educationally and yet it has gotten

pushed back by so many different theaters and places and so we really appreciate your standing for this

part of the sexual revolution, the historical part and the cinematic part and we have with us some interesting guests from

910 WeHo or at least that's how we're meeting them. They do a lot of different things but next to me is

fetish model and cam gal Lux Lips

and I also have intimacy coordinator and sex educator Erin Tilman and we're

excited to have both of them so I'm going to pass the mic to both of you to just give us your reaction like the tastiest thing about Deep

Throat or the thing that was tough to swallow on me the stimulating question

I really thought the Deep Throat scenes were really well shot I have to say

the cinematography here they don't make them like this anymore the auteur really shows

and I also really enjoyed the comedy and those kind of scenes those were really great

tough to swallow well or I said tasty or

tough to swallow so you don't have to I as well have a very desensitized gag reflex okay, why are you going to swallow a lot?

that's it for me alright Erin first of all

what is an intimacy coordinator what is an intimacy coordinator I think we should just get a little definition here short

but to the point I know it has something to do with films and sex scenes and films and helping couples

or whoever is doing a sex scene to feel comfortable is that basically it or is it more than that yes

thank you it's a newer role in the TV film business so essentially anytime there's a sex scene

or a new movie scene someone like me who's been trained I've also been in TV film for 20 years outside of being an intimacy coordinator

but we can sometimes help with choreography we help with paces and modesty garments so

paced on underwear and strapless that kind of a thing we also talked with the actors about their boundaries beforehand

it's been a part of the theater stage world for decades but finally the TV film industry has gotten on board with it

and since the Me Too movement essentially went all the way in the fan so we have the boundaries

between each performer and also the boundaries between performers and directors because I actually even this year was on a show

a network show and even though there was a contract with a writer as to what should be shown or not on someone's body on camera

sure enough the director was like hell up people just take things off and I have to be the voice the strong voice there sometimes

to be like no per their contract that everyone agreed upon we aren't going to show that body part so that's the job

well as you can imagine they did not have a specific intimacy coordinator although maybe everybody on the crew

was maybe the director everybody I think tried to make people feel comfortable but what did you think of

how it came across yeah I mean you know it's interesting as there are

intimacy coordinators on porn films but I've not worked on one as an intimacy coordinator all the projects I've worked on

have been at the max R rated so it is a little bit of a different category so I'm watching the film

knowing that I probably wouldn't have been on that film even if there were intimacy coordinators but yeah I know I actually

I mean just overall I was super entertained by the film I was actually my sex educator brain was really delighted

that there was so much kind of lingus in the first shot wow wow that's pretty amazing for the 70s

and for a show called Deep Throat you think when you're going to something called Deep Throat it's going to be all about the guy and Palacio

but it does start with Catalingus and one of the funniest lines of the film and it's very much

about that yes a final thought because I have a lot of thoughts but the final thought that

directorily it was very interesting as well in terms of just the performers

I was wondering oh did they get a specific direction especially during some of the Deep Throat scenes in terms of more vigorous action

I kept thinking of what's the movie with Saifah the Bell Star thank you

I was thinking a lot about showgirls watching this because there's a lot of documentary or a couple around that movie

and in the same vein there's like some director would give like vigorous action more and more and more gyration

so I wanted to maybe your dad gave specific directions in that way yeah that's a great question Gerard

or Kristar if you know we were there on set of Deep Throat and we weren't there during the actual filming of the sex because

my sister was only six years old and I was seven so we weren't privy to the actual hardcore sex but we were around

now one thing that I'm very well aware of is that this story the script was written specifically for Linda Lovelace

in that people would often ask my father how did you find somebody who could do this and it wasn't as if he came up with this incredible idea for a script

and then tried to cast for it but he saw what Linda Lovelace could do and he built the whole film around it he wrote the script for her

he came up with a he was more proud of coming up with the term Deep Throat than he was with making the actual movie

so when it came time to do the Deep Throat scene and there's several in this movie but you know the one with Harry Reigns my father worked together

with Harry Flex as he's known in the film but Joao Fernandez who you know there might be some people in the room who know

or have worked with Joao who's still considered to be probably the best cinematographer of the Golden Age of porn and worked on all the big shows

worked together very closely with our father on all his most important films Deep Throat, Devil and Miss Jones

Story of Joanna, Memories within Miss Aggie etc and so he was just learning in this we've been in touch with Joao

we were hoping to bring him here tonight because you know now he's gone on to have a Hollywood career so his identity

has been kept secret for decades but now that he's retired he's okay with it everybody knowing that he actually shot these films

so he was just learning on this film but when it came time to do the the Deep Throat scene that was Linda's thing and I'm sure

my father being the director that he was wanted to just really showcase what she could do and let her do it so I can't imagine him in that scene

telling her I'll do it like this alright she's ready to do her thing they just want to make her comfortable they wanted to get the lighting right

get the camera set and just let her do it and I believe that that's the way it was shot also interesting is that you don't hear the sound

the natural sound you have such great music so that's going along was that a standard conventional thing is not to have

the real sound you know that question comes up a lot actually Veronica Hart who's in the audience just asked me that very same

question and it does come up and it's interesting people say well it isn't an editorial choice and it very well may have been but I don't think

necessarily it was an aesthetic choice I think that the complexity shooting of scenes like this especially

if you only have one camera and syncing the sound and cutting sex now I can speak about this because

I've directed adult films and edited them and so forth and there's a lot of cuts and cutaways but if you have one

continuous sound over the whole thing it's easy to make those cuts but if you don't it becomes very complicated especially if you don't have the sound

to cover it so you have to like foley the entire sex scene or have voiceovers of people which sometimes

you see it crudely done on all the clip sites where you know clearly you know you hear her moaning but her mouth is closed you know okay

well because of that so it made it a lot easier to cut together also the music features very prominently

in this film so you just lay a piece of music over it and cut to the music which our father was very fond of doing but also

it saved a bit of money in the sound mix because in the end you know which would really make a film

come across the sound is very important and most people don't even think about it unless it's bad in other words if it's perfect you don't even realize

you're just drawing into the story but if the sound is bad it draws attention to itself or you can't even hear what the people are saying so again if you're going to feature music

in a sex scene and you have dialogue and sound effects and all that you have to very carefully mix those sounds so that it balances out when everything can be heard

so by just laying a piece of music over the whole thing that saves a lot of time effort and trouble and personally again

this is my opinion and I think that that's why the I was wondering did Chuck did your dad

I mean did living of you Chuck brought him courage to your dad that's what I could imagine

did Chuck say this is what this gal can do you've got to see her yes now now okay so

that's a different question since you're asking yes when my father met Linda Linda trainer

was her name at the time she was married to Chuck trainer who was also her manager now Linda in real life was rather shy

and timid you know she was my father fell in love with her when he saw her because he had this real sweetness and gentleness about her

now Chuck was not like that he did all the talking he was the manager so when they came into my father's office he was

you know had come in and you know presenting his his client also his wife so I mean it wasn't Linda who met my father

it was Chuck who brought her in if that answers your your question yes

oh you have a Chuck story I actually met Chuck trainer with Maryland team here come on

come forward this is Amber Lynn Amber Lynn legendary Amber

thank you it's an honor to be here it really is really excited I was just telling Jane I said

I met Chuck in Canada when he was married to Maryland Chambers which was after

he was married to Linda Lovelace talk about history and he used to tour her

around and as a dancer you know she used to do all the gentlemen's clothes and then after that he was touring Seika

and Bo so he always seemed to have the ability to kind of hook up with the women of the day the famous

legendary superstars of the day and he had an inequality about doing that but he was a really bossy

kind of ball buster guy who took no grip off of anybody this is the way it's going to be and this is the time they're going on stage

and I just remember all of that so that was kind of my story well thank you

for sharing that and that's very much in keeping with what our father told us about Chuck and not just one time I mean you know we were very close

my sister and I with our father you know we grew up with him but also at the end of his life he lived together with us so we're very familiar with

his stories now we met Chuck and Linda together on the set of Deep Throater our location in Miami

but we didn't know them very well we were very close with Joao Fernandez and his wife at the time of some of the other crew members

who were always at our house always my mother typed up their scripts and you know it was a real community of underground filmmakers in New York

so a lot of the people there we knew Harry Reems was our uncle Herbie so we played with him as kids and he was a lot of fun to play with

but Linda and Chuck didn't play with kids you know they you know we met them and that was it you know they didn't they didn't want to play with kids and

they didn't want to play with adults necessarily either you know from all accounts even you know Joao Fernandez we saw him recently and talked to him about this

is that they kept to themselves when it was time for Linda to do her thing you know she was brought out Chuck would bring her out or whatever

they weren't just hanging out with everybody so you know and also again this is second hand but from all accounts he was a real asshole

I mean I've never heard anybody say anything nice about Chuck but so when Marilyn came back to shoot with us she came back

to BCA and everything the first thing she did was call up Chuck and the first day of shooting Chuck was on the shoot to make sure

that she was treated well the intimacy coordinator well wait are you talking about Marilyn Chambers

yes so I think that's an interesting aspect to the story every day of her life after they were not together anymore

he was one of her best friends and she bought him on the set to make sure things were going to set him he had a control factor about him

this is what my father said about he said I could never figure him out he said I don't know what power he had over these women

he said because the guy was not much to look at he had no personality couldn't get it up is what he said because

you know he had used Chuck in a few loops together with Linda and you know he wasn't a performer at least not in front of the camera

and he said you know he was with Linda that was a fluke you know maybe she got away with it away from him and then he turned around

and was with the second most famous of her porn star in the world which was Marilyn Chambers who's behind the Green Door

came out just a few months after Deepthroat so Deepthroat might have been the first on the scene for the mainstream

it wasn't the first adult film with Hardcore but it was the first one that started making headlines but then behind the Green Door was right in behind it

and because some of you know the story of Marilyn Chambers had been a model and was actually at the time on the Ivory Snow

box of Ivory Snow laundry detergent which ironically their slogan was 99

and 400 some kind of fraction percent pure so it was all about purity

and you're close to the widest and here is this face of a baby on the box covered with the mother is holding the baby and smiling

and it's Marilyn Chambers so that of course would be great headlines and also help the box office of behind the Green Door

and so you know at that moment when Chuck went from Linda to Chuck I mean from Linda to Marilyn these were the two

most popular porn stars in America and my father never could figure that out he said I don't know what quality he had

Linda maybe but Marilyn you know was very intelligent she was very successful before she met him she had a legitimate modeling career

and you know my father again was just in awe he just couldn't understand it because again he wasn't a very nice guy

not friendly and not you know didn't hang with the crew so I would just like to put that question a little bit to this crowd

because this is a kink center and some people interpreted

the Chuck Linda Lovelace relationship as somewhat kinky but certainly before

there were rules of kink certainly before there were gatherings like this where people learned and talked about

these things so some people would say well you know he's the dom and she's the sub and they're doing this

in this agreement but yet of course stepping over boundaries all the time both of them

him more egregiously but no too and yet there was this element of kink

and maybe I don't know you guys know a lot more than I do and I just love to hear the stories from the history

but when I heard Marilyn Chambers picked up on Chuck right after Linda Lovelace I'm like

what yeah why I wonder too and then I thought well maybe they just had the kink groove better

they understood the boundaries because to some extent it's about education which is why it's so important to have

places like 910 WeHo and to some extent it's about a certain type of chemistry that some people

have and you can have a love chemistry I'm not a kink chemistry like Linda Lovelace and Chuck

seem to love each other I think he was a bit of a cuckold myself but not in control like I think

that's why he liked having women with other men and it somehow was related to him not being able to

get it up on camera and I don't know you know I wasn't there but it sounds to my doctor soul

that maybe this was a cuckold who didn't know how to be a good cuck maybe Marilyn brought out

the good cuck in him and he in turn had a nicer relationship with her it's

just so fascinating these different relationships of course so I'm going to give the mic to Erin she seems to want to talk and then

I would like to open up to more questions more reactions to this Thanks Dr. Shizzy

that was the other thing when we were talking about overall ideas at first overall impressions of the film

kinky lots of roleplay you know this was my first time seeing the film

just for everyone everyone knows too so it had fresh eyes fresh experience so the nurses out there

super kinky roleplay and also what you're saying about you know the dynamics of maybe crossing boundaries

in theory like if we're talking about kink I do a kink class here as well and I do a lot of kink education

so there could be some consensual non-consent happening in this movie too where they've negotiated some things like in the story of the two characters

with two people in the movie so crossing boundaries but what if they already they're like let's roleplay we're crossing each other's boundaries

so there's a lot of meta things potentially happening there too yeah well definitely the last scene it's

very primitive in a way and nowadays you couldn't have a gun on camera with a sex scene but yeah these roleplaying

an aggressor and it's supposed to be non-consent but she's saying okay why don't you

rape me and he's like no don't like it so much but they work it out and it was definitely a little parody

of that type of negotiation that is important to keep it's in many ways what happens throughout the film with sex education

with kink education there's this goofing that then gets couples talking not just couples but

troubles and you know all kinds of people but otherwise they might not talk so more questions oh my goodness

yes do you have a loud voice or do you want to come up here my question for you Gerard you were there on set

a lot of people know later in her life Linda became strongly feminist and made accusations that she was forced

into doing the film that there were guns on the set M16s pointed it ahead during the sex scenes

can you give a definitive answer to yeah we talked about this at length last night and we'll talk about it again here he comes

yeah so that is a very important question because Linda Lovelace's story is a very very complicated one and there is no doubt

that she suffered greatly at the hands of her husband in more of a case of domestic abuse now you know

Linda her story evolved over time as did she

when deep throat was first made she really rode a wave of celebrity that was unprecedented and it was not just being a movie star

what my father saw in Linda was not just her sexual technique it was her spirit she was very free spirited

very open about sex and my father found that charming because she wasn't the stereotype vamp or man-eater

she seems like the librarian who finally lets her hair down and takes her glasses off and so following the film

she was celebrated and she was Linda Lovelace as herself in this film my father tried to capture

that spirit in it and so shortly after the film when she would talk she would talk about sexual liberation

being free about how people would get over their hang-ups you know would be a better world and like that

so it wasn't until eight years after the film was made that when she talked about it then and she talked about it famously

in her third autobiography which was Ordeal now she wrote four autobiographies that were actually all written by men

and not that that's a crime itself but it's not really an autobiography so you have to wonder how it's influenced you know arguably her first book was

actually written by Chuck because half of it talks about what a great lover Chuck is you know and I have all of these

books and to really get her full story you'd have to read all the books and then fill in the blanks because it doesn't really tell you

the whole thing so years later when she had been the porn star

then she went to Hollywood to try to be a legitimate star and now it was even years after that her Hollywood career didn't work out and her Broadway

show or whatever off-off Broadway show didn't work out and she wanted to settle down and have a family personally I don't think she could escape

the fame of being the Lovelace but when she sat down to write her third autobiography she talked about

you know the horrors of being a Mrs. Chuck trainer and so when that book came out it made a lot of headlines

and if you read the book it never specifically says it speaks about our father in a very positive way

about how professionally he was about how well treated she was on the set how it was actually a safe space for her because nobody

knew the horrors that she was going through except there was one night where she actually got beaten up on the set but it was not on the set

well not on the set but okay that's important to establish it was not on the set but it's very complicated

and confusing so let me say this it wasn't on the set but it was in that we were all together staying at the Voyager Inn hotel

and the story behind the hotel is when everybody arrived from New York City because the whole crew everybody was from New York just some of the talent

was all supposed to come from locally from them but when everybody showed up they were supposed to have locations and actors

all lined up and that all fell apart on the first day so everyone went back to the hotel where we were all staying and that became the location

and that became the set and those rooms the hotel rooms were the set so yes Suzy it's very important to make the distinction that she was

safe on the set it's when she was behind closed and locked doors with her husband that she got beat up now the most important part of that

the whole story there is that yes it's well documented that she got beaten my sister and I were in the room next door and we heard it

you know it was traumatic because the grownups were so upset and a couple crew members came running in and we had one of those rooms that were connected

by a door at the back and it was locked and they were trying to break the door down my mother of course scooped us up and got us out of there because this wasn't something

for a six or seven year olds to see now there was a diner as part of the and if you see pictures of the boys and had this very like you know early

60s futuristic you know diner in front of it as part of the restaurant we were in there meanwhile you know I don't know

how that all dissolved but the next day then they have the bruises on her legs but it was time to shoot the guy was covering it and I noticed

someone in the seating she saw his hand covering it and I said wow she's bruised yeah well she definitely was well in the pool scene

there's no covering it it was bruised on her legs now you know a couple of things one is they didn't even have a makeup artist

you know Harry Reigns talked about you know trying to cover up the bruises it wasn't not trying to cover up a crime they were trying to make a movie

and they were all doing it together you know and Linda was very invested and very involved in the film she wanted it to come out right

so the next day she wasn't crying on the set scene get that man away from me she was saying what she actually said was she pulled my father

aside and she said I'm worried I'm not going to be able to do the big scene Chuck is jealous he was jealous of Linda had a little

crush on Harry Reigns who was a really handsome guy who was charming very funny and everybody loved him he was not like Chuck at all

but also my father you know told me that he got this sense when Linda got to the set

she was treated like a movie star she was the star of the show and everybody was treating like that they didn't have much use of room for Chuck

he was just kind of always lurking and always in the way and you know so he got jealous of that that he was losing his control over her

and so he beat her up to beat her back into submission because what my father said is that she was supposed to do it but she wasn't supposed to have fun

she was having too much fun and that's what really got him upset and so again the next day it's not that she showed up

at the Dade County Sheriff's Department saying you know this guy raped me it was like we had a fight they're a married couple not only was it her manager

but they were married and back then much more so than now what happened between married couple was between them you didn't interfere that was their thing

and also there was some truth in what Dr. Suzy said is the way they presented themselves they were swingers

they had a very clear submissive, dominant relationship just by all accounts because again

she was very gentle, very quiet and he was always ordering people around so they had that dynamic

it wasn't really a secret so the idea that there was a gun on the set that is an outright lie

I hate to say it like that because it's a very sensitive topic because women need to be heard and believed you know people who have been victimized

in any kind of crime they need to be heard because they're so often not but that doesn't mean that everything that she said is true

now you know our mother was there our father was there there were all people that we knew were there for six days together working on this

film and no one ever saw a gun there was no corroboration of that spirit there were no charges ever pressed

there was no one even named so in the scene it's a prop in the scene it's a toy gun it's this big

and people conflate the stories they see that scene they conflate it these are people that have never actually seen the movie

but they might have seen a picture they might have seen a picture of it this guy with a little toy gun she was talking about Chuck

she had often threatened her with guns at least from what I've read in some of the later books and so there's that but

it was not to force her to do the film and it certainly was not a conspiracy of all people on the film

people didn't know what was happening behind closed doors or when Linda and Chuck were off alone and really it wasn't their business as long as she showed up on time to do the scene

that's when everybody was there working together and so again this is a very complicated story that I'm already probably 7

minutes into it just to explain but it takes that to try to understand the complexity and the nuance of a relationship that we're

still only guessing at so when years later she appears on the Phil Donahue show first to promote her

book but as soon as her book came out the anti-feminist movement anti-porn

feminist movement it's important to make sure Christian White's moved in on when she became their poster girl

and then they used her until they went through with her she called back to VCA looking to give her with us

come on up here Veronica Hart this is an important part of the story

it's not a story it's a truth but she called up that's when I was part of the story being producer at VCA

and she said can I come work for you basically I'm looking to get back into the business now she already had her books written

she did the thing with Chuck trainer right she was the poster child for the Christian movement right the anti-porn

movement and about what year was this what time did this happen oh I worked there for 10 years and this was probably maybe

it was after Marilyn had come and I think she was with the guy and he'd seen that Marilyn came back and was treated well and had these movies

and so I think he said call her up call Jada call Russel because Russel over Hampshire was running VCA

and it was really great to women these were really good guys really great to me to all the ladies there it was about 1990s

close to 2000s like late 90s early 2000s before she started doing leg show

just before we'd like to come in and talk about making a movie and I said no I don't think this is the right this is not the place for you

thank you we're not interested because I could just see down the line that make there be a book about us

some people interesting I feel badly saying this but some people some women some men

have to be the victim consistently pattern happening again and again I'm so sorry for her but she

was able to shake it interesting and Marilyn needed Chuck to tell her what to do because Marilyn was

a good girl Marilyn wouldn't do those kind of sexual acts you know it wasn't those guys did those things to her

made her come and she liked working under that I mean I thought Marilyn was my girlfriend and that's why she liked that you know she didn't she was a

good girl she she didn't want the responsibility of being the girl that initiated her ask for the sex but when you're

instigated if you're prodded if you're forced not physically forced but if you're pushed into it then she couldn't help

herself yeah she came because they were so you know and and she she did not consider herself a feminist because she

wanted to be a woman she wanted she enjoyed the position of being a female

woman telling her what to do she enjoyed that she liked that and she didn't want to be

being a feminist so I thought that was interesting but that's you know we all have a role play and that was Marilyn Chambers

right his second wife and she loved me until she found out and they worked it out

to bring that home in in 1980 so this is eight years after

when her book came out she caught the attention of Gloria Steinem and we were working on Catherine McKinnon and these are now who we

we consider to be anti-born feminists because it's often you know kind of completely feminist you know

we all consider ourselves to be feminists my father was a feminist I was a Dr. Betty Dodson feminist

Dr. Betty Dodson yes but there was a clear distinction against those who believe that women should not be porn that all

porn is rape and like that and there's a lot of quotes by these women that have been misquoted I mean you know it's when they spoke

when Andrew Morgan spoke and she was a powerful speaker and she made a lot of the points because yes the patriarchy

for thousands of years have been oppressing women so this is an important message that we need to hear but she would conflate it

with this anti-porn ideology that back then what's a lot more let's say

I don't want to say obvious but let's face it in the golden age of porn there was a handful of white men making movies about what

they thought other white men wanted to watch and that is most of what porn is and my father wanted to be he was an artist he wanted to be a filmmaker

but still he was a white man with a Catholic upbringing that was just trying to do the best he could and so for somebody to make a statement like that

about how all porn is this or all porn is that you know you couldn't make a case back in the 1970s but we were just at one film festival

Berlin showing this film and the idea of making porn as everybody who comes to this this place knows

is very very diverse today the roles the genders everything is much more fluid it's not a handful of white

men making porn anymore it's almost anything but and so it's hard to make that case that all porn is anti-porn

and all porn is bad so you know eight years after deep throw she was the poster child for the anti-porn movement and this

got the intention of the regular administration because they had a similar agenda but they were trying to

wage their own war on porn because they used it to galvanize this conservative Christian base which is still this political machine that

has us in the state that we're in in this country but it started then by getting people to rally around something that doesn't really affect them but

it's an ideological thing and so they put their voting block together so at the end of her career oh you have a question

I just wanted to add something about sorry you're on a roll I can't not

say this as a sex educator around consent it is a new time with all of this some of the people were talking about it no longer

living on this planet you're allowed to change your mind about how you feel about something maybe if the circumstances of something

at this time you were okay with I'm saying that just because obviously it's being filmed people are watching this

I don't want anyone to feel like they can't change their mind they're not able to feel a different kind of way

years later about something and I'm not saying that to disparage anybody here or anything but

just end up on a bigger the bigger scale of this the macro view of this for performers

as well not just performers, just every human but especially women or those of us who were

assigned female at birth I think sometimes there can be pressure for us to just keep quiet

if we feel like something just wasn't good at some point you made a choice back then you can't change your mind

I really needed to say that that's all I could go on but I just wanted to say that everybody is so

excited about this film and I think that's really a sign of why we're talking like this

because this film means a lot to a lot of people means a lot to the Damianos because it's in their family

it means a lot to every one of us here because we all are sex positive I think

and I just want to make the point that whatever happened with Linda Lovelace and we will never fully know

and we do have to respect that she can change her mind and we do have to acknowledge the facts of the case

that she was not abused on set but she was abused while she was working on this

and it was also in a keen relationship that she couldn't handle and somebody else got in a marriage with a person

that was abusing her and it was okay so it's complicated like life but the real issue I think

in this movie not just as a sexologist but just as a sexual being is that this movie represented sexual freedom

and yes, Linda Lovelace was the poster girl and yet it was way beyond her

it was our sexual freedom brothers and sisters and it still is and they used her

they used her personal experience, her right to change her mind her torture her trauma

to push a political agenda against all of our sexuality and against our ability to make movies

and make art a central reason that this is an important film and now I'm going to give it back

to the family that has brought it here but I had to say that thank you

yes, you can't change your mind but you cannot change the truth of what happened and when you take the truth like that

and you say people pointed guns at me I made over 500 movies nobody ever pointed a gun at me

I never stopped a gun on a set and I've seen things happen that's when people change their mind

so what that person did was reckless and it was wrong it was actually criminal

for her to falsely accuse those people of pointing guns at her head where that had never happened

so whether it was her own mind then she just changed one day maybe she started having some latent mental disability that was coming out

some shading she couldn't scan it so instead of just saying I changed my mind

I no longer wish I did what I did she said stop saying these people pointed guns at me that's completely reckless

and that was wrong and shame on her for doing it I agree thank you for that Amber

I think there's a lot of truth being spoken here and so I want to speak with to what Therese said again in the beginning I was very careful to say

her perspective on this evolved over time I don't say she's lying I'm not saying she changed her story but I'm acknowledging the fact

that when she made the quote she was 23 years old and had gone from living with her parents to basically living with Chuck Traynor

so she was a kid also it's very important especially for younger people here to try to imagine what it was like

back in the early 1970s when one of them was seen on 42nd Street but what that meant was that for somebody like Linda Lovelace

she thought that no one is ever going to see this movie except you know some perverts on 42nd Street

she had no idea nor did anyone at the time that 50 years later we'd still be talking about it and everyone around the world has seen it

so she wasn't prepared for that I don't think anybody was and so when I'm again very careful

to save it her perspective evolved as she evolved I have to tell you know

give you a final chapter of the story because you probably don't know that's why I wanted to like you were right ahead of me you were like okay

but yes her story changed eight years later when you know she was revealing

the horrors that she went through which were mostly domestic abuse it wasn't important that's a convenience story

the people that are against one would like to put together and here's the symbolic the most famous porn star was Ray she didn't want to do it

all porn is bad look at what it creates the truth is the films that she did you know they're not cinema

the films that she did before D-throat were really heinous you know I don't even want to talk about them

in detail because that was really what was an issue when that came out later these are films that she thought no one would ever see

I'll just tell you the titles of some of these films Piscorgi Balvarama these were the films

this was her acting filmography before D-throat so when people say oh there's D-throat it's her downfall no

D-throat was her liberation it helped her to get away from the husband it helped her to get out of the abusive relationship it brought other circles of people around her

it all said the same thing what are you doing with this asshole and she got away from him now eight years later

when you know she wanted to retire from all this and she couldn't get away and then wrote her title on memoir about the horrors of it

this was at that perfect moment when here was some women that were really trying to make a case against pornography

and she was perfect for that and then Radion came in right behind with this anti-quad agenda and put her before congress to tell the same story

tell them what you told Phil D'ahue before congress so the story though doesn't end there because then 20 years after that

now she's 53 where the anti-quad feminists had basically

deserted her because she was no longer useful to them she was trying to settle down get on with her life and raise her kids

and so forth but she could never escape being in the love race because she was so famous and not famous for curing

polio or whatever she was famous for sucking cock so you can imagine being in that situation where you couldn't go in the grocery store

without somebody saying oh isn't that so you know she wanted a libel to say anything after a while just to distance herself from the whole thing

this is my opinion in that I think the only way she could say you know she could remove herself from the equation

was to say I had gun health in my head because then she has no responsibility whatsoever that was a different person wasn't me I didn't consent

the whole thing they're not deep throat but that whole part of my life but then what happened at the end

of her life was that deservedly by the anti-quad feminists she made peace with her past

and she went back to porn now not that she started making movies but she tried to and thank you Veronica Hartford you know that's her first person

account of her you know that in that time of her life saying you know can we have you back if you talk to her

I talk to the guy representing her okay that's okay well that's important I just represented that

the guy said you know she wants to come back Linda Lovelace but it's still going to be intense not Marilyn Linda

okay so she wasn't able to get a legitimate porn career going but she posed for like show

and at that time Eric Danville wrote the book Complete Linda Lovelace which is a biobibliography

if you don't know what that means is basically he took all the words that she ever said in print and made a book out of it and you know gave kind of a narrative

of what it was but it was all her own words so it gets more into the complexity of these stories the lie detector test and he printed all the questions

and so you know can we go in this leaving because they were quick to say you know we gave her a lie detector test but you know the question

was there a gun held to your head during the filming of D-throat was not on the list of questions okay like that so

at the end of her career you know she rejected the anti porn feminist she was back doing porn and she went on tour

with Eric Danville signing copies of her book signing D-throat posters and memorabilia to all her fans and also I think it bears

noting that she needed a litter transplant and it was all her porn fans we took up a collection to help her

get a new liver and save her life and then tragically she died in a car accident so you know I'm sorry

that she couldn't be here today I don't know if she would want to come here I'd like to think that she would at least tell her side of the story as we're trying to

tell our father side of the story because we grew up hearing everyone else talk about D-throat but not really the side of it that we knew

so I'm going to shut up now I'm going to give the microphone to you because you haven't said anything yeah just to add on to all of this

you know consent issues on and off porn sets and coercive abusive relationships

behind the scenes are still like an issue to this day like there was like somewhere recently a top only fans creator

who like on a twitch stream they caught her boyfriend yelling at her and it all

like came out at that point that she was like in a relationship at all and it was abusive and he was like forcing her to do only fans but now they're separated

and she's moved away from doing only fans content and more into twitch so like that is still an issue and I've like

known it personally in the adult industry and seen those big examples but like I've done a lot of things before this

I've lived in a lot of places, been in a lot of different circles lots of different jobs and throughout my whole life I always moved somebody who was being abused

by their partner and oftentimes a situation where I'd have to help them somehow so I empathize a lot

with Linda and I can also see how she would have been led astray, misconstrued by people with an agenda

and I can see how I can see how she would denounce porn as a way to sort of like come to terms with her whole

like experiences, I just draw different conclusions from those events like I think this is like a social problem from which porn is not exempt

it's not like a porn problem and I think by blaming porn you erase all of the domestic violence

and consent and all those issues happening in other areas of society particularly in areas such as politics

where perhaps even more of it's going on than normal, it's one of those things where to some extent every accusation is a confession

so you know that's my take on the whole consent and porn thing and just like

add something, I think it's really interesting how Deepthroat and Linda's full journey kind of like mirrors like the

journey of feminism in the second half of the 20th century like Deepthroat which is literally about a discovery of

the body and pleasure which is sort of the feminine mystique era but these housewives look at their posies and mirrors

and so there's like that discovery moment which is like a historical thing and then you have sort of sexual liberation and just sort of

doing whatever and being very exploratory but without a lot of necessary rules and limits that help keep everyone safe and having a good time

and then you get into so that's like sort of the 70s and then quite literally around like my community you have the backlash to the sound of the Reagan era and everything

and then Linda was sort of caught up in that and then you have things just sort of I don't want to say even now because I think all of

history is a big part of the story yeah it's just like you know I think it's just interesting how Deepthroat itself and Linda's whole

story kind of mirrored the story of women in the United States in general in that time period you know

so I think it's also an example about how like all of us are affected and guarded by historical

forces that we can't perceive currently so you know yeah that is just sort of an aside thank you

okay thank you so 10 back to the movie how long

and how difficult was it to acquire all the source material so you could restore it

thank you for that question because that's really what we've been about for these past years to make this happen

now our foster never would have dreamed that we'd be able to do this he lost control of the film early on shortly after it was made

had no elements had nothing but you know the authorship of having you know written directed, wrote the lyrics to the song

he did everything but suck dick in this movie but yet he had to read in the paper about how much money he was making and so on

so you know 41 years later we were trying to sort out the very complicated

copyright issues surrounding this film the legality of some of the things and then most importantly defining actual elements many of

which were destroyed by the FBI in the early days when the film was being prosecuted so the original negative so far

has not surfaced as far as I know but we had a number of prints we had a 16 millimeter print we had a

bolder eyes bolder dyes print of it which I don't know if you know that word but it's basically all the sex is cut out

okay so you can imagine you know deep throat without the deep throat in it okay we have a copy like that we had a couple 35 millimeter

prints that were scratched and faded and you know but with the magic of pixels we were hoping to put it all back together

but still it's hard work and no guarantee of success if you don't have the proper elements

so we put the word out there we reached out to a community which is very close knit around the world of film collectors

archivists preservationists archives institutions everybody seems to know each other and so we just put the word out

looking forward and it was the iMuseum in Amsterdam they came forward with an internegative that had to be made it wasn't the original negative

but it was kind of you know a bootleg negative that someone had made for distribution of the film in Europe so we were able to get that they lent it

to us because again they're sympathetic to the cause they want to see films preserved and so forth nobody knows nowadays if you know

digitizing it is going to preserve it or keeping the original films in freezer is going to preserve it so we're trying to do both so

we got the elements from Amsterdam we partnered with Scenaric that's a laboratory in New York City but also has

a facility in Portugal which is why we watched it to the end credits we credit Scenaric Portugal because this is a lab

that did the restoration of jaws and Alfred Hitchcock's birds and from here to eternity so they don't play fuck around

these guys you know we wanted to honor our father and do it the right way but it's very very very expensive and my sister and I have been funding this

ourselves so in partnering with Scenaric they said well we could do a lot of work in Portugal and that will bring the cost down and so

that's how we've worked and so we did just credit Scenaric but specifically the folks in Portugal that did a lot of the work on this and so that's how it actually

came together because it's a very nice restoration I saw it back in 73 in the pussycat so

I remember most of it but I did notice that some of the scenes especially when she's getting off for the first time with the hitting of the

Bell those were longer than some of the cuts that I had seen I remember seeing this movie on eight millimeter loops

chopped up and bootleg video to sense and such so it is it is a treat to see it good

well thank you for saying so you know again we tried to honor our father because he was very much about film not just filmmaking but film itself there are people that are very

passionate about the idea of that and now that everything is zeros and ones there is this nostalgia to you know a physical film so we are actually

making a film of this we hope to come back and when I say film like a 35 millimeter print that will project you know the xenon bulb and like that

like the you know old school we hope to bring it back to Los Angeles and show it in Hollywood like that for the people that really want to see a

35 millimeter film on film so we're hoping to do that thank you for that question okay how much more time do we have

before we go to party just give me a sense okay well I know we won a party

we have some excellent drinks we have Agua Coco Leith Lecure De Bolivia, Herbal Lecure

and we have Absente Absinthe and Magellan Gin which I know gin is a special taste but it's good gin

and Rume Barboncourt and all kinds of good stuff but I do want to see if there's some more questions

and I just want to entice you to stick around and by the way we're going to have Bonoboville communion and those of you who know

what that is know you want to stick around for Bonoboville communion and I saw this lady

had a question here and then I'll get over here and you have a question okay Kim Ayers have been on your show anyway yes Kim Ayers

that's right hi Kim Ayers yes I knew I recognized you here you want to come up here sure real quick

this is Kim Ayers she's the sex toy maiden and sex educator and just she gets her on yeah I do I do and I'm

proud to be wearing my eye cop shirt from 1997 International Conference on Prostitution that was at the Airtel Hotel

it's been nice and a pretty amazing thing so I had a question for you two when did you find out that made porn

well day one okay we yeah well here what's new from Crystal you can explain better than that

okay well like Jordan said we were on the set we were never exposed to any of the hardcore stuff we knew that dad did

stuff for adults so that was kind of a curious thing but our dad was very passionate about filmmaking and we knew he was an artist

we knew he was making film and our mother always said that he was a man ahead of his time so you know as a little kid when you

see that you know you it's like dad was this you know he was this icon he was it was becoming so we were on the set a lot it was for

a little girl it was very exciting to be done like I didn't know it was a porn set but I just knew it was the lights and the camera

the people and the makeup and it was just very exciting but then there was a time when they said okay the nitty gritty and then

we were like shuffled off the set so you know we knew that it was something for adults but we weren't quite ready for that and

so it wasn't anything that he kept from us it was something that we knew you know he was also a hairdresser earlier in his

career you know he kept doing that until he actually got famous so it wasn't like like I was saying he didn't go to work in

the day and then you know at night he would escape and go and do porn it was like you know he was on the set and when he was

making the movies it went on for a while so we knew what was happening and what he was doing and we were very proud and very

honored to be his daughter. Teresa Plante of Larry Plante played his daughter he's like we didn't know he did porn

at your like Selah Dean we really kept it separate so I was curious what we could do. Okay thank you Kim

good question what is it like to be born into porn? I think there's all kinds of experiences that people have

yes Max did you have a comment or question? Probably is the most prosecuted publisher in this

country. I brought my kids up but I made magazines they were never at the photo shoots but magazines

all over the house and they were never very interested in them until they got older. Yeah one of the questions I

get a lot is like how old was I when I first saw Deepthroat and it was actually about 25 years old you know it was like

this you know very successful film but I wanted to come into my own adulthood before I actually saw

film and had an opinion about it so I waited a little while you know because there was the controversy and then you know dad was getting taken to jail

and there was so much surrounding it that I wanted to be adult enough to understand what it was all about so yeah you know

I kind of was interested but you know some of it I was like well that's just what dad did and you know that's just the way it was

The problem was that it was a magazine so they had access to that my children got taken away

I had to fight and wrote out to get these kids back every psychiatrist in wrote out that these are fine kids

these are great kids and I think we grew up pretty well Absolutely and over the years publishing this magazine for

many many years there's good stories pornography has liberated the world I don't think women

are against pornography I think it's the husbands that are against pornography you know what their wives

liberated you know that's like swimmers the wife says I want to go to a swing party

he wants to go to a swing party and she goes like oh this is fun right and suddenly he's like

uh-huh good job it's important to say that our mother is the unsung hero

of deep throat the film never would have happened without her support she had gone to secretarial schools

so she was a really great typist she typed all our father's scripts and all the other crew members in that scene

she did everything ironed her shirts, got them up made all the appointments made all the things

the early films, production office on the kitchen table and raised Kristar and I with her left hand while she was doing the whole thing

so I know we have a gentleman over here John who wants to speak I'm just sure we should

be wrapping it up pretty soon so we can pour some of those delightful beverages down our deep throats

so we're gonna just take a quick question or a comment always wondered why did you go down to Florida

to shoot it why was it not shot in New York or California was there already an industry down there was it just because it was

warmer or what January well thank you for that question Nick and John also known as

Alan Adrian and I have to point that out because I met John years and years ago on one of the first films

that I had the very first film that I was actually holding up to work alongside my dad was a film called throw 12 years after

so it was literally a film made in 1984 so 12 years after deep throat and it's not a remake or a sequel

it was really a commentary on how society had changed it was about two couples one was very uptight and you know not

sexually liberated the other two were swingers and so it kind of explored their lives and relationships and at the end they all get together

to watch deep throat on the VCR and you know that drinks and something you know a deep throat like that so John was in one of those

scenes that we met way back way back then so I'm sorry your question Florida

yeah well there's a quick answer to that the producers of the film

they had resources in Florida one of them was living down there they had a chain of

laundromats down there they were the ones that promised location sets they financed the film they had actors and actresses all

learned of now as we know that fell apart but that was the promise and that was provided by the production company so the film itself

was conceived of written by, made by New Yorkers who all drove down to Miami

Florida and on their own dime my father would be proud to say because that was part of the enticement was that the movie was filmed in January

and you know winters in New York are not pretty especially back then when we used to have snow I mean you know things are different now

but it used to be you know really cold and snow all winter and like that and so he was able to get people to come and work on the movie

just by promising them a vacation in Florida so they all went down they shot for six days with that great car

our parents you know and we came down my mother and my sister and I we flew down to there and so we stayed a few days

extra as they lived in Chuck and when you know the crew had driven back to New York and everybody you know went home

we all went to Disney World and this was a brand new thing it just opened about a week before

the paint was still wet on the place so we were over the first second we celebrated the rap party by going to Walt Disney World in Orlando

before driving back to New York the mafia made tens of millions hundreds

how did you get the rights back long story short they didn't follow all the proper procedure and protocol

when they made the film now no one questioned that because yes indeed it was a mob and so you know you just took their word for it

but you know that was something that troubled my father to the end of his life he never saw the money from the film and he thought what films I could

have made if I had that money that's the way he was thinking not I would have retired and bought an island and gone away he was like think about

all the movies that I could have made you showed a deep throat at the Rio theater in Vancouver right as my research

and I am part of a film festival that has been banned from every other theater in Vancouver except for the Rio so I was wondering

what your thoughts were about kind of adult content in general and especially this movie being the canary and the coal mine of free speech

in any given moment and how you feel that's changed since this film started and now I'm going to answer this question

but a little differently than you expected because I want to say something about the Rio theater itself in Vancouver now we showed the film

in Vancouver I've never been to Canada before and I always thought the Canadians were our you know mild mannered cousins to the north that don't

all have guns okay but when we got to Vancouver we went from the airport

directly to the Rio theater with all our suitcases and everything because our room wasn't ready and the show was coming up

and we were met by the manager and also the owner of the Rio theater who sat us down and told us about the harassment that they've been suffering

and sure enough there was a protest outside the theater there were death threats they had threatened to cut all our heads off

and burn the theater down with us inside of it so our just in Vancouver was a big deal

you know in the end it made for a great show we were on the TV news that very night and again the next night trying to explain

the complexity it's easy to say porn is bad, she was raked people get all upset but to explain the complexity

we're like two hours into this conversation and there's still a lot of questions about it but the people and especially the owner

of the Rio theater they stood behind us they said it's our job to allow people to

choose what they want to see we're here to create a forum that people can show films and come and see films and it's not our job to censor them

and so before the premiere that night the whole crew from the Rio

the manager, the front of house manager the back of house manager everybody from the ticket taker to the person who made popcorn

we all got a big hug and then we went out there into the show there was a lot of people that came out and it was great

it was very emotional for my sister and I it was very difficult because we had a lot of difficulty on the west coast up and down

from Vancouver to Seattle they cancelled our show a month before we went ahead and did it anyway but it was very difficult

we had a number of cancellations here especially in Los Angeles there was so many theaters that we've been in touch with over the course of a year

my sister and I came to California in September to try to book shows here to finish off our world tour

because we really felt to honor our father we had to bring it home to Hollywood so we thought we can't really have a world tour without coming to Los Angeles

but it was a lot harder than we thought thankfully we're at the Landly and thanks again to Tom and company for having us here

in a much more communal atmosphere well before I take your question did that answer some of your questions?

some of it and I'm also wondering what you do think about this movie is kind of like a cultural litmus test because we're in cancelled culture right now

and I feel like there's especially with what's going on in Florida you know a lot more restrictions on the idea of

we can't talk about things we just have to be removed that's exactly why we're doing what we're doing and so

here we are and it's very complicated but thank you for not canceling the movie because we've had some of that

we were supposed to show in a theater in a couple of days from now we're not going to Santa Ana because they're canceling us

so we're cancelled so don't go to the show how bad was the ones coming back last year at the freedom theater theater?

well we don't know exactly how bad it was it was bad enough that the theater owner cancelled the screening he had some

pushback and we're not exactly sure how many one, two, three maybe five people

but he got enough pushback that he didn't want to move forward and people are often very scared

and they get either a few voices in their ear or

you get flagged on Facebook by enough people or YouTube, I myself have been cancelled by Facebook

and so I feel it personally I think that

there is a big push to ban books and to constrain voices of sexuality

and a certain type of leftist politics and also the right wing

certainly in matters of free speech I think we all deserve a right to speak and this movie represents a push

forward that was so exhilarating and so freeing back in the day

and in many ways we have been liberated in many ways the backlash has imprisoned us again

and so what are we going to do well we here seem to want to gather together to support each other

in expressing our sexuality in confirming consent

enthusiastic consent and in the days of this movie people were just learning how to do that

and we're still learning how to do that with the help of experts like these and with the help of a movie like this we can see

just how far we've come and how far we have to go do we have more questions I got one question

when does the party start well brothers and sisters the party is starting

and we are going to pour some great libations down our deep throats Agua, Popa, Leif, Lecur

Absente, Absin and so much more thank you Chuck out there for supporting our deep throats

and how thirsty they are and thank you all for coming out let's give a big hand to Tom and to the Damianos

for presenting this wonderful evening yes everyone who has the VIP

bracelets are welcome to go upstairs and this way to the right here

this front door and the first door that was great Dr. Sousa thank you

you don't get the hallucination liquor as theater the professor of drinkology

here to make some drinks to pour down your deep throats yup at the first stage

it's a little Absente, Absin which is a delicious drink first of all

to wet the whistle I will accept the shot from you my dear and now

I am the communer to begin with and you are the communion

girl alright woman an operation

right now you are the alter girl and I am the doctor this is some advanced role play all looks good

and you just did here we go well this is a job

for Dr. Young Block it is salty and this

is what you call the medicalization of the body shot maybe

we should have some quiet applause for Rihanna right now that was the taste so to speak

of the nobleville communion we are doing product placement okay there you go

look at that this is the 70s and that's the kind of she was a Christian

and I shaped my Bible and we saw you at the Hollywood show something it wasn't about war

why would you want to go off and die in Vietnam why would you want to go off and kill in Vietnam right

we were against the war we were for make love not war and deep throat yeah

it's great to see this film that explored a form of sex

that was pure recreation and healing

and that's it not procreation that's my sermon on the mound

and I am the irreverent doctor Susan Block and this is deep throat at 9.10

I've never seen the film something that I have it's quite interesting

I didn't know that was I didn't either until I saw the scene yes

recently and it didn't put together the whole Clarence Thomas story it's so much cool

to put their public hair on my oak man right and I always wondered

where did that idea come from he watched deep throat and the guys brought this cuticle care

okay we'll get a cuticle care there it's brilliant oh you miss Bonoboville communion

is this going to be a part 2 well maybe in my house later that sounds like an opportunity

we did we did you were great everyone had a good time

for my pleasure it's my pleasure and I realize how seminal

this show is and seminal I mean this movie is a very important

movie in my life and a lot of people's lives and you're a part of the family and it's a lot of really

a value to hear about it it's almost like you're one of a total family if you're British or something

and people live through deep throat but the oral was what was elevated as a

a real pursuit as something important and nowadays like

to the kids that I know of now oral sex is not even sex what I've heard is they do it in the school bus on the way to school with

in the mornings and it's not even a big deal so you're not going to get pregnant from it you're not going to get pregnant but they don't even consider it sex

because it's not well that was with dillcliff that's right there's this other individual

he says she made me put up with life but because of the need to death you gave me the means to life

by a customary need to death talk with someone about something you can't talk about with anyone else you can talk to us

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