Den of Iniquity 20th Anniversary: Female Domination Celebration on DrSuzy.Tv !

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Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists, voyeurs and connoisseurs, mistresses and slaves, doms and naughty little subs, all you children of sex and we are all children of sex, right? We may or may not be children of God, all the gods, any of the gods, either one or all of the above, but one thing we know.

In addition to or instead of, we are for sure all children of sex. Can I hear an amen? Can I hear an A-women? A-women it is tonight, brothers and sisters, because tonight here in Bonoboville, where's the applause for Bonoboville?

Watch the clap sign. Let me try that again. We're just starting this new, we're in beta with everything, including our lives, but especially our new online community, Bonoboville, so yeah, there we go. That's where we're broadcasting from. This is the Dr. Susan Block show.

So I am the irreverent Dr. Susan and yes, tonight our theme is the ladies. We got the Lord and we got the ladies and we are here tonight with the doms in charge of the den of inequity. I mean, inequity. We're very, we're very fair.

Right, very fair. Well, sort of. And I'm so excited to have you here, both of you. Yes, Tara, Indiana, Mistress Tara, I've been seeing you in years. And you look fantastic. Really, really fantastic. In a little while I'm going to show a picture of us.

And it's when we met at the Bagato. No! Yes, at the Cinecank Film Festival. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Oh, yes, it is exciting, but I do want to introduce my other guest, Sybil Troy. Hello. Yes, and we're very excited to kind of get the whole 20th anniversary celebration going for the Den of Iniquity. Right, the Den of Iniquity, which is like a classic house of domination.

You know, female domination, for the most part, might have an occasionally guy get in there, dom somebody, but it's really a female domination house. And, wow, I mean, 20 years. 20 years.

Of female power. I was eight years old when the first. You weren't working there. No, no, no.

Okay, we have to establish that. I'd like some more debt over her. Right. Back in my day.

You were eight years old when I was fucking up the ad. Here, take care of this thing. You were eight when I loaded it. Yeah.

Right, you know, I mean, there's something to be said for both. That's right, kid. You know, youth experience, something to be said for all aspects of female power. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So, did you start the Den of Iniquity? Yes, I did. Yes, you started it.

I started in New York in 1994. And I'm also on my, what's called, 25th domiversary. Meaning that I've been a dom for 25 years. Wow.

Yeah. Getting better all the time. I can go into the dungeon and I can say, you are just a glint in your father's eye.

When I was beating the bejesus out of Senators. Giving that motherly. Advice. Womanly power, which is of course the original power in everybody's lives.

Absolutely. Is your mom. And if she's not there, that's also powerful. Either way.

Yeah. So, whether she's there or not there. And so much of what a dom does is channel that mother earth into a sexual thing that, you know, won't get in trouble with your mother.

Yeah, might get you a little bit of trouble. Might. Actually, yeah. True.

You know about all aspects of trouble. Trouble. Yeah. You do.

Trouble. How did you get into this? Gosh. That's a long story.

I mean, when I got into the scene, it was really underground. It wasn't like it is today where everybody knows what things are. And there's guides to it on the internet. Books about it.

Everything. There was nothing, you know. So basically, I mean, I was always very dominant. I didn't realize that I was a dominatrix until later on.

But when I dated, when I was in high school, I used to tell the guys that I was dating that I had three rules. One was I do what I want, when I want, and how I want to do it. The second rule was you do what I want, when I want, and how I want to do it.

This was in high school. Yeah. Wow. Then the third rule was what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.

Yo. Did you even know what a dominatrix was? No. You just knew what you wanted, and you had to get it.

And my fantasies from very, very young were all S&M oriented. Like in high school, there was this guy that I had a crush on. And my fantasy was to seduce him, to give him the impression that I was going to have sex with him, and bring him back to my house, and then get him all hot and

bothered and tie him up, and then just leave him and wait for my father to come home. Whoa. A total, total, dumb fantasy.

Total. And that was your fantasy. That was my fantasy, yeah. Just leave him blue-balled, and for my father to come home, find him tied up

in my room. Now I have to ask, what kind of relationship did you have with your dad? I was a daddy's girl. You were.

Yeah. So he didn't beat you? No. Okay, because a lot of people think that's how doms are formed.

No. Yeah. No. Some doms are formed that way, but not...

No, I don't think so. No. No. Some...

No. I mean, I'm not saying we all come from perfect childhoods, and we all certainly have issues. I think it's a genetic thing.

I think you're born with it, but then your fetishes come from your experiences. Uh-huh. So, like, the best example I can think of is I had a foot slave

who had... Because I asked him the origin story. Yeah. You know what an origin story is.

Sure, your first experience of your fetish. Yeah. And his origin story was... Do I get a gold star for that?

Yes. When he was in kindergarten, he had a really pretty kindergarten teacher. And right before lunch...

Criptonite, right there. They would sit at the piano, and she had a beautiful voice, and she would sing songs, and they would sit in the ground around her feet, and he sat right next to her,

and he could smell her feet. And so that's how he got his foot fetish. So, but if you think about it, there were probably a bunch of other kids that smelled her feet, too,

who didn't get a foot fetish. Right. So it's sort of a combination. A combination of nature and nurture.

Right. You know, you're born with certain genetic predispositions. Predispositions. And then your experience takes you in different

directions, which is why some doms were corporally punished as children, and some weren't. I would say it probably had the same percentage of civilians.

There you go. Usually what I find is, if there's any kind of psychological aspect to it, for female doms, it usually has more to do with the relationship

with their mother than their father. Okay. What was yours like? I had a competitive relationship with my mother.

We were always competing for my father's attention. You were daddy's girl. Did you have a sister at all? Well, it's interesting.

I was born an only child, but then when I was six, years a riddle, when I was 16, I was a middle child. Ooh. Merged family of some sort?

Kind of. Somebody came back? No, my, my, okay. My father's sister passed away, and we adopted

my cousin, who is older than me. And then a year later, my mom had a baby. So I have the personality of an only child, but I'm, in fact, technically a middle child.

Ooh. I wonder what Freud would say about that. But it strikes me just immediately that you, in your early years, you got your way.

You were an only child. Yeah. You were the, you know, you were the only kid. So you didn't have to fight with anybody to get

your way. I'm, you know, and you were daddy's girl. You sort of had to compete with mom, which probably honed your feminine,

wild skills and all of that. Absolutely. Because otherwise it's too easy. Daddy becomes too easy, and it's kind of scary,

actually. So competing with mom. Daddy should be easy. Daddy should be easy.

Yeah. Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm glad your mom had some of daddy's interest.

That's kind of a good thing, you know, to have a good, good parent. I mean, in retrospect, I think they come from a long line of dominatrixes,

because there's a lot of cruel women in my family. Cruel women? Was your mom cruel? Yes.

To you? No. No. Not to you.

Well, not so much. Well, my mom, I think, was a bottom. She was a submissive, but she was a manipulative bottom. So she did the whole damsel and distress thing,

and she would just, so my father would wait on her hand and foot because she couldn't do anything for herself. Yeah, yeah.

So, you know, that's, but my aunt and my grandmother were traditional doms. Just, just bossy, strong, bossy, strong, mean.

Bitchy women. Bitchy women. Wow. It just castrated their husbands and just

henpecked them until they were just. Henpecking. You think that's an old fashioned term for female domination?

Yeah, probably. I mean, there's an aspect to it. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe that's what they called it in the 50s.

Yeah, yeah. When a wife did it. Yeah. But there were some doms in the 50s.

There've always been doms. Yeah. I have this book that just came out, and eventually I'm going to have the author on.

It's a beautiful book about the history and arts of the dominatrix. Oh, wow. And it begins with the first image of a dominatrix

that this author comes up with. And I say this author because her name is Ann-O-Nomus, anonymous. And Inanna, the goddess of, of course, Iraq,

what's now Iraq, was this very strong goddess who just kind of got her way all the time and seduced men and demanded tribute and was eventually rubbed out by, of course,

the male monotheistic gods, Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, and et cetera. Fucking Jesus. Fucking Jesus.

Yeah, let's talk about fucking Jesus. Is that one of your fantasies? No, I wasn't raised religiously, although I've always enjoyed the imagery.

Right. A cross is a phallic symbol, I think. Well, not everything that's oblong can be a phallic symbol.

No. For me it is. Oh, there you go. Well, that's why they make the crucifix

with the dildo at the end now. Yeah, I love that. Divine Interventions, one of our favorites. I love them.

So where are you from originally? New York. New York also, too hot, strong, although we didn't know each other in New York

until I came out to LA oddly enough. And when did you get involved with the Den of Iniquity? About, I'd say, about three years ago.

Okay, and when did you start dominating? About eight years ago. Can you say what got you into it? Well, it's kind of the same thing.

Well, of course, it was, you know, my sexual interest to begin with. I did college, I did regular jobs, but when it came down to it,

it's really what I wanted to do. Yeah. Because I would be doing it anyway. Uh-huh.

Regular jobs and college. What did you study in college? I think every dominatrix was an art major. Right.

Well, maybe a little psychology, but yeah, okay, yeah. Art. Right, right, right.

And you also have this cosplay theme going on for your 20th anniversary. Yep. And by the way,

I should say that there is going to be a party in Los Angeles. These gals are very bi-coastal. And there's a party in New York.

A party in New York is... The 19th of September. 19th. What about that?

Well, it's not always first. September 13th. It's the LA party. Yeah, the time.

Coming up quick. Okay, so September 13th is an LA party for Den of Iniquity's 20th anniversary, and you can get your tickets

at denofiniquityla.com. There we are. And there is our symbol. Looking very, uh,

Psylocke-like, huh? Is that the Psylocke look? Pretty much. But yours.

Definitely yours. But, you know, kind of that ninja-dom-hottie-marble-comic-super-heroine. Oh, yes.

Right. So, uh, yeah. I mean, Psylocke, is that one of your cosplay characters?

Oh, well, I... I always enjoy costumes, but I just, um... Well, tell her Psylocke's powers. Oh, Psylocke's powers.

Okay, that'll explain. Telepathy. Telepathy. Yeah, you can control minds.

But that would be nice. I can still control minds, but I'm not telepathic. I don't know.

Doesn't she have that sword that she sticks? Yes, the cybernetic blade. That she sticks in their heads, and then she can control them.

Yeah. I mean, the reason we picked cosplay was because most of the people in the fetish scene that we've talked to,

you know, have fetishized usually some sort of comic book character or a character from, you know... Yeah, we're not going to Comic-Con or anything.

Yeah. We're not like that. So, for, like, a lot of people have fantasies about Catwoman.

Fantasies. Right. And you, like Catwoman, I read this in your PR.

And a lot of men. And by the way, shout out to Erica from the Rubb PR because Erica brought us together.

Although it's funny that I should say Morticia because that is one of my initial... Yes. We're going to talk about Morticia

because she's one of mine, too. Oh, yeah. But these icons that are done or misspeal or, you know...

I mean, you can go throughout, like, you know, especially in the late 60s and early 70s, these, like, sort of iconic characters

that were clearly dominatrixes. So the idea of the party is that you should dress as the person who most inspired you to be kinky.

Right. So, for me, that was Catwoman. Catwoman. And who, as Catwoman...

I was a Julie Neumar girl. Okay, Julie Neumar. The original Catwoman, Julie Neumar. Right.

I like the Eartha Kit, too, but I can't rock Eartha Kit. Hard to beat the Eartha Kit. Hard to beat the Eartha Kit.

I'm a Julie Neumar. Although the Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman is pretty hot, too. And let's see...

Where does Octopussy come in with this? James Bond. Oh, okay. It's a whole different thing.

But, I mean, actually, if I was to describe my Don persona, it would probably be a combination

of Catwoman, Frank from the Rocky Horror Show, and then my freshman year art school teacher. But the freshman year... Your erotic persona,

your inner belladonna. But the freshman year art school teacher, such an obscure reference, I didn't think anyone would get that,

so I decided to go with the Catwoman costume, you know. Yeah. I saw the ears. Yeah.

Very cute, you know. And the poses. Yeah. Do you wear a tail, also?

Oh, you know, my... I don't think it comes with a tail. You might get in the way. Did she have a tail?

No, she didn't have a tail. I could imagine, though, a great tail. Well, okay, she didn't have a tail.

But what I would imagine would be a tail that would turn into a whip that could come out of your outfit somehow. Just pull this whip out of my asshole.

Yeah, pull this whip out of my asshole. Exactly. And then, you know. All right.

Now, but it's funny, because the old Batman series from the 60s is on the IFC now, and I'm washing it for the first time as an adult.

And I can't believe how obviously Catwoman is a dominatrix. Like, when you're a kid, you don't realize it. But, I mean, she had spanking horses,

and she was tying men up. Tying men up, yes. Whips, and then she has... To their great delight, always.

Yeah, and then she's got, like, some kind of a powder that mesmerizes them. I mean, she's so purely... Erotic hypnosis. You know, I mean, she's clearly a dominatrix,

and this was, like, for kids. And it's just so funny how you don't catch it when you're a kid and then when you're an adult and you look back and you're like,

wow, I can't believe they showed that to children. Well, they're catching it a little bit more. You know, they issued this Harry Potter vibrating broom that I really love.

And so did a lot of kids, though. They would not come out of their rooms. Their grades went down. So they recalled a bunch of them,

which is sad. But, yeah, now they're a little wiser to that. But then it was, I don't know, a little more innocent perhaps in regards

to all these things that have become fetish symbols that everybody's familiar with. Yeah, but even if you look at, like, Wonder Woman, I mean, you know, she's got the golden lasso

that she ties them up and it makes them tell the truth. And then she's got these gold knee-high boots. Yes. Well, of course, all the superheroes do that.

The male and the female. But we're celebrating female power tonight. Yeah, but the females have a power that is just the fact that they're female.

Men don't draw any power. Well, the men don't seem to emphasize their sexual power. Like, Superman's always, like, cringing from Lois Lane. Yeah, but men don't have that kind of sexual power.

They don't have it? Well, I don't know about that. I think some of them do. I'm looking at my Gomez here.

Well, they have sexual power when you, as a woman, love them. But in and of themselves, I don't know that they have sexual power. I can think of a few male models that I think are kind of sexy.

You know, sort of try to get Gomez to invite over here. Yeah, I mean, could they get you to do things against your will? Against my will? Gomez doesn't get me to do things.

Against my will. That's my point. A beautiful woman can get you to do things against your will. Well, will.

They can bend your will. They can bend your will. I think so. And I think a beautiful man can bend a woman's will as well.

With the aid of a little dirty tequila. And, you know, you can bend anybody's will. I mean, or not. I mean, I think it's in the power of men and women

to bend each other's will. But I do think that when a woman does it, it's a little surprising because women aren't supposed to do it. And women can do it.

And we do it in a different way, kind of. I don't think men are from Mars and women are from Venus. I think we're all from Earth. And we're far more alike than we're different.

And in fact, one of the talents of the dominatrix is bringing out the feminine side of a man and bringing out the masculine side of herself or what we as a society think of as the masculine side.

You know, the strong superhero side. Which, you know, is in women too. So, I don't know. I guess I don't see a big difference between men and women.

Which is one reason I love dominatrixes because they're kind of masculine. And I think that, you know, when you get a society that's full of very, very feminine women,

like total shrinking violets and very, very masculine men, like bombers and beheaders, you know. Those are really masculine guys going around

chopping each other's heads off, you know, and bomb, bomb, bomb. I mean, this is a fucked up society with men being such masculine men.

They need to be dominated or something. Of course, they could be your clients, those guys. Not the beheaders, but maybe a couple of the bombers. Well, actually, the biggest emerging market

is the Middle East right now. Yes. And some of the most war-torn countries. All the, like a lot of our...

Oh, yeah, they come over here. They come for sessions. And like a lot of people that sign up to like our social media and our member sites

and buy our clips are being sold in Egypt. And I don't even... These war-torn countries, I can't believe that they... I guess they still want porn,

even though there's a war going on. Well, this is a universal desire, the desire to be dominated, you know. And yeah, I do think that in general,

men want it a little more and pay for it. And, you know, like they pay for all kinds of sex. And women like it, too. A lot of women like being dominated.

Yeah, but when women are... When women like being dominated, it's generally confined to the bedroom. You're not gonna find a woman who...

Like, I have guys, my personal slaves will come and clean my house and run errands for me and scrub my floors

and go into my bathroom and clean my bathroom on the hands and knees with a toothbrush. You know, a lot of women do that, you know,

for nothing. Well, they're not gonna do it to turn on their husbands. I...

I don't know, I get a little turned on when I see a dude on my floor scrubbing. Yeah. Muscle.

I get turned on when my Gomez cooks for me. Speaking of Gomez... Ooh, tell me more. Well, I think we should bring up

one of your other role models. Yes. Who I share love for, and that's Morticia.

Yeah. Morticia is kind of an amplified version of the archetype that was started by Alice Cramden, where you have, you know,

the man who is seemingly in charge, but she always gets the last word, she always wins. Morticia took it to a whole other level.

She was the ultimate cock tease. He would do anything for her. And as a... When I was very young, I was watching that,

and I'm like, oh, well, that's the perfect relationship. Mm-hmm. I'd be fabulous all day, and you wait on me hands and foot, and...

And love me, and be a Latin lover. Yeah, you know, it's nice. Yeah, yeah. And she did boss him around, for sure.

She bossed everybody around a little bit. He was always so close to getting some, and then something distracted her. Well, they got enough together

that they had Little Wednesday. And I actually interviewed Wednesday at The Hollywood Show a few months ago.

Wow. Yeah. She's out there, you know. So what's she up to? You know, just living life, living life.

What do you do after Wednesday, Adams? But she's... She's all right. She's signing autographs

and selling, you know, things at The Hollywood Show. But... she was an icon Wednesday,

you know, I mean, and so is Morticia, and these are icons of female power and Gomez. Do you remember Gomez

in The Addams Family? I remember him. I also remember The Honeymooners. The Honeymooners.

And she was bossing around everywhere and making a fool of him. She always won. This is a very popular female character,

the Dom. It's just, you know, there's different varieties of it. There's the domestic Dom. There's the, you know,

take no... or take a prisoner, Dom. I guess it's not take no prisoners, because you don't... Alice was definitely... I know so many Slays

where that was the first time they're like, ooh. The first thing that kind of started pushing there's the missing buttons was Alice Cramden and... Oh, really?

Yes. Many of them. Many of them because... I was a little boy watching this. She always got her dig in.

She always got her way, but she never, she let him make his mistake and then it's like, oh, well, I was right.

And she somehow didn't offend America. I mean, she got away with it in a very, very conservative time,

which shows part of the art of the Dom. Alice through the moon. Right.

Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, yeah. The dominatrix is an interesting character

from almost the beginning of civilization. And I think Gomez is a wonderful example of the very polished, successful, debilinear, manly submissive.

Hmm. Because they're often portrayed as, you know, weak or overly feminine or something's wrong with them,

but no, they can be extremely masculine. Extremely masculine. Absolutely.

Well put together men who just happen to count to. Who happen to appreciate the goddess. Exactly.

It takes a real man to let a woman beat the crap out of him. That's right. Well, and not all of them are into the crap beating, but, yeah,

some of them are into having the crap. No, I don't want to get into that on this show. Yeah. I've got a note here.

It's Brad. Oh, Brad. Let's see what Brad wants. I'd love to talk to

and masturbate for Tara and Sybil tonight. How can I tie it into their

theme of domination? Well, Brad is a masturbator and he has called this show. In fact, he's such a masturbator

that his Twitter is avid masturbator. He is also a member of Bonoboville.

Is he a member in Good Standing? Yeah, he's standing. Mostly he's laying down. And

he hasn't called for a while. Or we haven't let him on or something. Or is he on the phone or he's on Twitter?

Oh, he's on Twitter. Okay. Okay. Go right ahead and masturbate.

So go right ahead and masturbate to their theme of domination. Let's just ask each of you what is your

favorite way to dominate when a slave just or a would-be slave just says do what you will with me.

Well, that's all of my sessions. Really? They all say that? Some of them like outline what they want? No, I don't take requests.

You don't take that? Wow. She's a dumb. Well, I know, but some don't. That's just my thing.

I'm really into the control. Okay. How about you? Do you take requests? I kind of started taking a request again since I moved.

But even when you take a request it's okay. I'll do this my way. They're like snowflakes.

One guy will tell me to do whatever I want and I will read a book. And the other one will tell me what to do what I want

and I'll hang them upside down and pop darts at them. It's never the same. No, it isn't. It's the same.

The symbol is more of a sadist. I'm more of a domino. She's also a domino but she's really into the pain.

Now let's describe that difference for a moment. A sadist enjoys the infliction of pain. The infliction of pain

and knowing that someone is pushing their pain threshold for me. That's at a different level for every person. It can be not too extreme with someone

but it's very difficult for them and that's very satisfying for me. I like the way your eyes opened up wide when you said very difficult.

There's not much fun in just destroying someone where they don't have to push themselves at all and it's not hard for them.

You like to know someone's sacrificing an outside of their comfort zone for you. Right. That's the sadism part. Because the origin of the word

is the Marquis de Sade and of course he was into non-consensual pain. He wanted to inflict pain non-consensually.

At least that's what his books say. I don't know if he really did that. He was actually a French revolutionary. Right.

So a lot of what we know about him is taken out of context. Of course. But the name implies

somebody who just loves to give pain almost regardless of their victims' feelings or maybe even because

their victim doesn't like it. I don't know if that's true about the Marquis de Sade. I mean in terms of

what little we know of his actual life he did go to brothels and he did enjoy flogging prostitutes.

I don't know how willing prostitutes were with anything in those days. I can't imagine what it was like

to be a prostitute all the time. No, I don't think he was that bad in real life probably. But his stories are full of

very non-consensual activities. Well, but the stories are satires based on his interpretation of what was going on

in the French courts. They weren't really necessarily his sexual fantasies.

But he was just trying to describe how absolutely without morality

and without moral compass Yes, mistress. So you like to dominate? I do.

You sort of into the infliction of pain and sometimes it seems... Six of one, half dozen of another. Trying to see some differences.

But anyway, so Brad, Brad I'm back to Brad. Now what would you tell him to do

if he presented himself to you and he says, listen, I masturbate all the time and actually his favorite thing to masturbate to

besides our manager there Maya. Hi, Maya.

Brad likes to masturbate to visions of Maya. It's been a while, but yes. It has been a while, right? That's why...

I'm shy. And also newscasters. Oh, of course. Newscasters.

So he can just put on CNN and just make a day of it. There you go. Good boy.

Save us all a lot of grief. That's the way you would dominate him. Put on CNN and I'm going to go shopping. Exactly.

And you would whack him and then go shopping. No, I mean, sadism isn't always physical pain.

Sometimes it's just knowing they're so sexually frustrated that they're ready to cry, sexually denying them. So for him, probably the best bet would be

for him to just kind of edge himself for the rest of the show and then he just don't come. There you go. Okay, Brad,

you heard that. I think he might do that. You know,

because I don't know if he's going to watch CNN for the show because he probably wants to watch the show. But maybe he could have

two screens on it. Well, newscasters. You could keep switching. So, yeah.

Eating your own cum, that's a thing. Lots of protein, good for the skin. Do you like the taste?

I'm not sucking dicks. I haven't done that in how long has it been since I've done that? Years.

So what are you doing now? Mostly fucking ass. Fucking ass. Yes.

So with a strap on, with a dildo, yeah? Strap on.

And is this something that gives you pleasure? I enjoy it very much. You enjoy the infliction

of a kind of painful pleasure? Or what is that? Shouldn't hurt if you're doing it right. It's very easy to kind of render a man

completely helpless while you get a giant cock in his ass. What's he going to do to stop you?

He's not going to say anything about anything. You got him down. Right. And are you good with doing that to a guy for the first time?

Oh, yeah. Well, me and Tara like to joke that we have tiny hands, but we can fist the unfistable.

Ah. They used to call me. And you got the nails too though. Mr. Tara McFisty.

That's my nickname. I've turned out a lot of bitches. A lot of people who thought they couldn't be fisted first time.

I like the way you're smiling during that. This is something you do like to do. It gives me great pleasure. I like to have human hand puppets.

You wouldn't believe how accommodating the male anus is. Right, right. Store all your things in there. You don't have to carry your purse.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've gotten in there, but I'm not as gleeful about it as you guys. I mean, this, you get in there slowly?

Well, you know how the rule for regular anal sex is one finger, two finger, three finger dick, right? So it's one finger, two finger, three finger, steeple,

swist and fist. Hmm. And yeah. And once you get past the knuckles, it's all good.

That's the hard part. Now, Carol Queen, Dr. Carol Queen, who I'll be seeing next weekend at Catalyst Con. By the way, we're going to check it out.

We're going to go to Catalyst Con, check out the Dom's at Den of Iniquity Party. We're going to be busy. She always said, I had nails that were too long

that she thought, you know, you needed to have, you know, sort of filed down nails, but then she's not really a doll.

Gloves. And they're rounded off. You know, they have, it's jealous, so it's thick and you just kind of point them in the right direction.

You can feel what's going on in there. You can feel what's going on in there. And do you rearrange the furniture? I mean, once you're in there,

you say, okay, this is mine now. I live here. I'm going to do things differently and so are you. That's one way to look at it.

Wow. I don't like that. So fisting? Fisting.

And would you say your favorite is fisting or anal penetration? Is it fisting or strap on? They both have their merits.

Fisting is a lot more personal, but strap on does a lot more, I don't know.

Depends on the mood. I prefer fisting. I mean, I love strapping it on too, but if it had to be one or the other,

I'd definitely go with the fisting. Now, how about spanking and that kind of thing? Do you like to do that? I'm an expert spanker.

Yeah, she likes the spanking. What are the implements that you like? I can give a really mean bare-handed spanking. I bet you can.

My hands look small, but they're mean. I can really do some damage just with my bare hands. I can really do some damage just with my bare hands. And then, of course,

there's leather and wooden paddles. I like wooden frat paddles. This is a folded over belt facsimile by the gentleman right here,

Jux Lee. Jux Lee, a.k.a. Jux Leather. And it's very handy

and reminds people of, you know, folded over belt. Do you like to use a folded over belt or anything like that?

I do use them sometimes, but I do prefer either my hand or a wooden frat paddle, those of you.

Oh, and I love wooden spoons and spatulas. Spatulas are good. Domestic.

I like domestic scenes. I like domestic slaves. That's why I like house boys, because if you have a guy cleaning your house,

he's going to make mistakes and then you have to punish him. Right. See, for me, I need to have a motivation.

I need, like, a reason. Yes, because it's so personal. You come out of your own desire,

your own will with it. And for Sybil, she could just do the scene just enjoying. Oh, yes. For me, it's more of a show of affection

than a punishment. So if I whip someone, it's a show of affection. If you spank someone with a wooden spoon, you're correcting them.

But it's definitely a show of affection on my part most of the time. Really? Oh, okay. And how about spanking? Do you ever do any spanking?

I have a really messed up shoulder, but I am more into bo-whips and canes. I'm more of a dungeon-dweller than a domestic-dweller

like Tara. Right, right, right. I'm a 1950s housewife. You are, and Julie Neumar.

And you are the ninja. It's all for your own good. The ninja dom. It's all for your own good.

So you're a better person. Yes, yes. Do you think you make your... Absolutely.

That's the goal. Make them better men. Right. It's not just a job. You're really trying to

create a better world with better men. That's why we have our personal slaves. It's like the... You're saying you have the Marine Corps

of personal slaves. So only the best slaves get into our stables. That's why we hold the Olympics. Do you know about the bonobo apes?

Oh, aren't they the ones that are just having sex all the time? They have a lot of sex. But it's not just

that they have a lot of sex, but that they use sex to keep their communities free of murder and war.

And also, these apes are the only apes in which the females are...

You might say dominant. Is that the one where they trade it for oranges? Sex oranges, or bananas, or apples.

But the females are the ones that get the apples first and distribute them and decide who gets apples and who gets sex

and who gets sex and apples. Sex and apples. They love to combine food and sex as well. Which are two of the

richest representations of love. And, yeah, as opposed to among common chimps that kill each other

and make war. And, of course, humans who kill each other and make war. The bonobos never do that.

Yeah. And they seem to have this female domination thing going on. Very gentle. Because the males are actually

stronger than the females. They have fangs and they're bigger. And, you know, they could dominate if they wanted to.

But they don't want to upset the women. Well, that's a great example. Most femdom has nothing to do with whips or paddles. It's just, you do what I say

and I'm going to control. You see, and it's my feeling that society for a while now has, you know, been looking at a common chimp paradigm.

Looking at humanity like we're irrevocably patriarchal and we're going to bomb and behead each other until we destroy

each other. Which might happen, you know, because it's pretty powerful. Especially the bombing part. The beheadings are just very psychologically

powerful. But, you know, there is a hope that maybe we'll get in touch with our bonobo side and allow

that feminine part of all of us, you know, it's about a lot of women getting in touch with their masculine side and men getting in touch with their feminine

side and deciding to make peace through pleasure. And I think female domination and what you guys represent is really at the forefront of this.

So, I'm really excited to celebrate your 20th anniversary. So, we're going to take a little break. By the way, I want to do

a shout out to our September calendar girls from a buttload of months. Here we got the first hits of the night.

And that would be Samantha Fairley and Catherine Imperio.

And this is a buttload of months and it's September already. It's unbelievable. September. Okay, so

we're going to be going to Catalyst Con next week. We're going to also check out the Den of Iniquity

20th anniversary party with our guests, Tara Indiana and Sybil Troy. And we're going to be back in

just a little bit with our guests and with maybe some other guests because we've got you maybe want to do a spanking if somebody

wants to be spanked. Somebody wants to be spanked in here. Spankers, spankers, spankers. Kind of scary. You got to do it Tara's way.

Just with the little hand. Tara's way. That innocent little hand. Okay, tiny. I love that gentleman.

Okay, so we're going to be back with lots of fun and excitement. So don't come yet and don't go away. We'll be right back.

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You're deep down. We're all a little dirty. We're back. Den of Iniquity's mistress Tara Indiana and Sybil Troy.

And we are celebrating 20 years of Den of Iniquity and get this back in here. I've got my juxtaposed leather riding crop, which makes a fantastic sound. This is a very good radio device. So we want to thank Mistress Genevieve.

So shout out to Mistress Genevieve, okay? Genevieve Brown? Mistress Genevieve, I think? Anyway, she's in this book 20 years of Den of Iniquity.

And here's Mistress Genevieve. Because now I remember that Mistress Genevieve is who introduced us. Yeah. That's right.

That's right. Remember? We were in New York at the Sine King Film Festival. So now I want to see the picture.

Yeah. Okay, look at us here. Tara's wearing a big sweater. She looks so domestic.

You can't see it. It's right here. Oops, oops. Here, somebody's got to reach it.

Oh, there we go. I look drunk. Oh, wow. Okay.

Oh, wow. We are at Il Begato over near Sine King at the Sine King Film Festival, where our film Squirtsalon was premiering. And where we had ladies squirting on big screens out there.

Everybody felt wet. They felt like they needed to have umbrellas in the theater. And also the Xavier Hollander film premiered. And we were at that.

And then we went out and just kind of chatted. Yeah. Just lady chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

With my old friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know. We went to a party.

We did. We went to a party at the Den of Iniquity. And you invited us, but you weren't there. Okay.

But we brought our client, my therapy client, who happens to have a slight weakness for gorgeous dominatrixes. And oh my God, did he get weak over a couple of your dominatrixes? I can imagine.

Oh, he just lost it in every way. I mean, he got, actually it was great because he lost it both, you know, physically, financially, mentally. But then he pulled it all back together.

Yeah. And then he, you know, we had a few more sessions about the whole experience. And then he found the woman of his dreams and got married.

So there you go. That's nice. Yeah. So I would say it's a happy ending,

but I haven't talked to him for a while. So hopefully, you know, I guess I will when he has a need. But anyway, this is a gorgeous book. I think 20 years of the Den of Iniquity.

And it not only has the gorgeous Mistress Genevieve, but also many other gorgeous dominatrixes that are at the Den of Iniquity doing nefarious things. So it's all very exciting.

But we have someone exciting here who is a very bad girl and needs to be punished. And her name is Vicki Vixen. I am a bad girl.

She is a very bad girl. Pretty naughty. I usually get cold in my stocking. Could you please talk into your microphone, Tara, so we can all

hear you. So what do you need to be punished for today? Well, last week I was here was my going away farewell. Right.

But I couldn't leave yet. And I just showed up on Dr. Suzie's doorstep. So I need to be punished. There must be something naughty about that.

I need to be punished for not being able to leave Bonoboville. And go to school, young lady. Well, I'm leaving in a couple of days.

This is my last weekend in LA. So maybe a good sound spanking would help motivate you to do what you need to do. I actually really do love to be spanked.

I love being spanked. I'm sitting on the right kind of chair for a spanking. You know what? I wore my big boots because I heard it was a

dominatric show tonight. And I decided to be a kitty cat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are a kitty cat for sure.

But we got the cat woman here. So you're going to be a kitty cat. Can we see your tits, too? Please.

There we go. Oh, yeah. Oh, look at this. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I have to make my nipple hard. Well, you don't have to, but...

It's much appreciated. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Sure. But there you go.

Okay. There we go. Oh, yeah. She's a good girl.

I'm betting on... What do you got on there? This is a squirt. It's not quite a skirt.

Maybe you should take that off. Oh, I haven't seen a squirt in a year. Should my mistress tell me to? Oh, okay.

There we go. Over the knee. Okay. All right.

Here we go. Oh, here we go. Over the knee. Oh, my gosh.

Beautiful view I get here. Beautiful view. And the mistress is spanking the bad girl. Mistress Tara Indiana of the Den of Iniquity.

Spanking Vicki Vixen. Oh, you can do better than that. Uh-oh. She's bad.

She's bad. I think I just dug myself my own grave. Well, I need more arm swing. Okay, okay.

I'll just get the sound of the spanking back here. You got to make that spanking. Okay, I'm back. I'm back.

All right. Will, well, you're getting it. You asked for it. You're getting it.

You asked for it. You naughty girl. She dared to question the mistress. Ow, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, from the right, it's just like, stingin'.

She doesn't know what's she's gonna ask for. Ow! Excuse me, I just need to, oh, you're on the way. She's in her own little spanky world now.

Oh, now she's getting after-pair, after spanking, we get scratchy. Or just kind of light dragging of the fingers. Well, it's a variation between pain and pleasure that makes it interesting. Yes.

See, the reason, because when you, when you torture the part of the body it turns pink as all the blood and the nerve that rush to the surface of the skin. Yes. You take your fingernails, gently caress that area.

You're going to experience a level of pleasure that you never would have experienced if you hadn't first experienced the pain. Ooh. It's actually true.

You feel that, Vicki. Vicki's in a little bit of subspace there. I feel that. I feel, I hear her voice just kind of.

Ooh. Yeah, you can do this. You can have ice, feathers. It doesn't help that I completely pale.

I didn't get this. It was given to me by a client. So I wouldn't get real fur, but you know, he gave it to me so I use it. It's really soft.

This is more of a maintenance pleasure. Oh, not so much pleasure. Little pain there. The mistress asked if you've learned your lesson.

My ass is actually kind of numb at the moment. So like every little slap you do I kind of feel. But she asked if you'd learned your lesson. Oh, I don't think I'll ever learn my lesson.

We might need a wooden frat paddle for a difficult case like this. Did you bring any implements? I did bring some implements. I brought my singletail, which I don't know if there's enough room in here for a singletail.

And then I brought my favorite humiliator game. This is a what? May I please stand up and stretch my legs? Please.

Are you pleased with cherry on top? With cherries and chopped nuts and whipped cream. Okay. All right, let's hear it for our mistress Tara Indiana.

Spanking our Miss Vicki Vixen. I couldn't stay away from Bonobo though. Hi. Hello.

All right, it's my turn. So what else did you bring here? Oh, look at that red ass. Oh my God.

This is a humiliator gag. Okay, come to the microphone, please. Can we turn down the animal? It is hot, but I have a remedy for that.

Vicki Vixen, turn around. There you go. It brings me back to my porn days. And now you have porn days.

No, look at this interesting thing here. This is a gag that's also an ash tray. Yeah, and it's detachable. You can add all different parts.

It's detachable. You can add all different parts. You can add toilet paper roll, dust feather duster, all different kinds of attachments.

Serving tray. Serving tray. It's making them an object that you throw your trash into. Human furniture.

All right, anyone want to wear this? I don't have takers. Come on, don't you want to be Mistress Tara's human ash tray? I have red lipstick on, I don't want to smudge it.

Well, maybe after a little bit. I don't know, but that's interesting. Yeah, I'll show you how it works. Yeah, okay.

Because these snap out, so you can have a feather duster. You could put a feather duster in there. Right, right, right. I have seen that before, the feather duster look.

There's a roll of toilet paper. What are some of the other attachments they have? There is a scrub brush for the floor, a serving tray, a dildo,

a thing that just latches to the wall, and... Isn't there a toilet brush? Oh yeah, there's also a toilet brush. I need to get me one.

Very nice. Good for the internet. Someone of their proper station in life. Okay, do they actually get cleaning done with these things?

They have to. Better. You're very serious about that. Serious business.

They're cleaning done. You are. So how's your ass doing, Vicki? You're sitting on it.

It feels a little warm, but other than that, it's kind of numb. And your friends that you brought, are they into BDSM?

I hear them yelping and screaming. Well, one of them that I've known for a pretty long time used to have a girlfriend that was a dominatrix at one point,

but right now, his current girlfriend and my landlord that I've been renting to for the past three years is dating this wonderful woman.

You might actually know her as Kelly Surfer. Kelly Surfer. Yeah. And what do you surf, Kelly?

Well, I'm Israeli. Yes, so it's all surf. No, well, we're all pretty active tiny girls. Well, we surf dick, but I mean...

Surf dick? Yeah. Okay. You ride that way just like the motion of the ocean.

Is that a term for intercourse surf dick? Well, we all just drink and fuck there. I mean, that's... This is how we roll.

Yeah, that's how we roll. Yeah, okay. So are one of the dicks you're surfing currently out there in the green room there?

He's actually American. He's American, but are you surfing that dick? Well, look, honestly, we work up to our new Hitachi's every day.

You know that? Yeah. I mean, I work up in my new Bugatti. You know that song?

We work up with our new Hitachi. Right. Instead of that, yeah, it's a dick. So he's standing there looking like he wants something.

Does he need to be spanked? No, no, no, no, no. No. He's afraid?

How do you know? He's spanked me, but... Oh, really? Yeah, in private, but people like that.

He is our landlord, and she moved in and started a romantic relationship with him. And I've known him for three years. So do you get to be spanked

and not have to pay your rent, I would hope? No, it's not like that. No, we went... I actually met him previously,

and then he went into the swinging world, and it's kind of like poem world. His ex-girlfriend was a dominatrix, and there was a dungeon.

Oh, okay. His ex-girlfriend was a dominatrix. And she loved watching him sex with other girls. And I used to go to swinger parties with them,

and like, yeah. So you guys don't think that he might like a little spanking? I mean, after all, his ex-girlfriend was a dom. Well, she never domed him,

but he would allow her to dom whatever man she felt pleased to dom. Actually, I'll tell you the story. He ended up doming her. She went to the nightclubs,

and would pick up girls for him to fuck. It would actually go to a serious problem where it turned up like, he had to wake up and just fuck chicks all the time.

So would you have any desire to dominate him in any way? Would you have any interest or fantasy about dominating him? I'm not a dominating person. Like, my best friend is my little brother.

And I mean, my brother's into like crazy shit too, but Lord Hobbes never got dominated by his dominatrix girlfriend. Like, at the end of the day, after she domed all the people, like, he would end up like doming her,

and he would like, like, he took over at the end of the day, you know? Well, you know, the arc of the dominatrix, I think goes way beyond just being a dominant. And I'm wondering if you ladies in your obviously altered state of consciousness

might have a question for one of our guests about the art of domination of men. I mean, I have a lot of questions. It's funny that I clicked with what you said about

like your mom competing with your dad. Are you still close to your mom or no? I am now, yes. Because it's funny that you say that, that was exactly how I was,

but my dad ended up going and brooding around with other females and it kind of made me pissed off at him. And he'd do that to her. But I mean, what's your relationship like with both of them?

Well, my father, my father passed away, but my parents stayed together until he did, and they had a very close relationship. And although I was daddy's little girl,

That's what I was, yeah. But you know what? It's so funny how two daddy's little girls turn into very different women.

Yeah. That he, that it was always clear in my household that my mother was, he was deferred to my mother. Yeah.

It was a choice between my mom and my dad. But you know what? It made me grow up and realize I didn't appreciate her because she's a nurse.

I mean, she's seen a lot of shit too. You know, a lot of doms are nurses. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

A lot of porn people are nurses too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of...

They see black and white in Deutsche. That's the one thing I've learned. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

So Vicki, do you, you dominate sometimes or your switch? Well, to tell you the truth, like since I've quit doing porn, there was a point in time between now and last year

when I quit that I tried, I tried out the whole like dominatrix thing and got a job at a dungeon in the valley. And I was doing pretty well,

and I was making some money until the owner came to me and was like, oh, our clients know that you used to do porn and it's not working because, like, they don't... Because I was a submissive role in my porn.

They can't look at me as a dom type of shit. That's bullshit. Mm-hmm. That's bullshit.

You were not in the den of iniquity. Some great doms were in porn. I was a schoolgirl, so it's a bitch place. Like, really.

Where do the best doms come from? What kind of... Any walk of life, really, I think. All different.

Everywhere. Yeah. Wait, do you guys kick guys in the balls and stuff? I actually did that.

Yes, I love kicking guys in the balls. Any volunteers to be kicked in the balls? How about the landlord? They show you exactly how to do it

and, like, where to kick, like, between their groin. Like, I've actually done it. Well, it's not hard to find the balls. But you have to, like, go right between the balls.

Or with the top of your foot and then pull back when you... Can I just ask, why do you guys like doing it? Because it's hilarious. Because they fall down on the ground

and they're writhing in pain. It's hilarious. Why do they use that as a satisfaction? Forget about S&M and forget about us being dominatrixes.

If you go online, what are all the viral videos? A guy getting kicked in the balls, a guy getting hit with a football in the balls. You know, that and cats, you know.

There's a lot of sadism in society. There's a lot of people like to watch others suffer. And, you know, I mean, in fact, a dominatrix tries to do it for the benefit of the sufferer

more than most of us who just kind of snicker and go and change the channel. Dominatrix is kind of working with you in a way. That's kind of scary, though.

What about the landlord? When you kick a man in the balls and he falls down, writhing in pain. That's hilarious.

It's freaking awesome. I don't know. I actually had a guy on my show. He was with Axel Braun, the, of course,

classic, well, not classic. His father is classic, Lassie Braun. But Axel Braun is a multiple AVN award-winning director. And this was when he was Axel the G-man

and making women squirt. And he had this guy that was with him named Brother Love. And Brother Love could not get hard without being kicked in the balls.

And he didn't fall down. In fact, there was a line of girls who all didn't kick him hard enough, including myself.

I did not kick him hard enough. But there was one woman who was built like a linebacker who happened to be in my bar.

And actually, it wasn't Brother Love that requested this. I requested that she show us her tits and she had these huge natural tits. Big woman.

And she was there with her boyfriend who was like, well, I don't believe she's doing this. But she just reeled back and kicked him.

And he got really, really hard and kicked him again and again. And he came and he never fell down. He just loved it.

We were all freaking out. But some guys have a fetish for being kicked in the balls. But you even like guys that don't have a fetish

for it to kick them in the balls. It's funny. Hilarious. I don't know.

I'm glad I don't have balls. I never could do it because I'm so close to my little one. But, yeah.

You couldn't kick a guy in the balls? No. I've done it. It was awesome.

So much fun. It's not funny. Well, I could if he attacked me. I mean, sure.

Oh, yeah, no. That, if he's like coming at me, well, no, I have a baseball map. Well, I did kick,

I kicked Brother Love in the balls. And it was fun. But he wanted it. And I knew that.

And I knew. And I did get a feeling. But what's funny is because men, you know, okay,

here's why it's funny, okay? Because men are physically stronger and bigger, supposedly. Yes.

And then they've got this little piece of meat hanging between their legs. It's so delicate. That is so delicate.

That they consider their greatest strength, but it's really their greatest weakness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The balls.

You got balls. I mean, it's not even like you have to actually kick balls to put them into excruciating pain.

You could just graze the balls. Just grab the balls. And put them into excruciating pain. So for this big and tough and whatever they are,

they've got this little thing hanging between their legs that makes them totally vulnerable in every way. Just to reach over and go like this.

And that's it. Done. Any man can be taken down by a swift kick in the net. Whoa.

Guys, watch out. It's true. Watch out. And there isn't an equivalent for women.

I mean, it wouldn't be pleasant to be kicked in the cunt, but it's not. It's not going to bring your feet.

Actually, speaking of that, I actually have that tattoo on my lip. Kick me in the cunt? No, I just see you.

Cunt? Oh, cunt is tattooed on your lip. Come forward to the camera so we can see your cunt on your lip.

See my cunt? Right there. Right there. Just straight ahead.

Thank you. You're welcome. Well, I don't know if we can see that, but... It says C...

Now, who tattooed that on you? Oh, look. I'll tell you. Sorry.

I was with my friend. Not too long now, young lady. You're going to get a spanking. No.

She deserves a spanking. No, I'm not getting a spanking. No, she's a French girl. She wanted to get a tattoo for being in America.

So she got a tattoo on her leg. My agent doesn't want me to get a tattoo. So I was like, okay, whatever. But I wanted to get one because she was getting one.

So, you know, kind of kicked in like that. And they're like, well, where do you want to get a tattoo? I'm like, my lips. Typical submissive.

I'm getting one because she's getting one. Do you ever do anything like that? No, because we wanted to get it together. I didn't ask you.

You're going to get a spanking. No. Really? No.

From somebody here. No, not me. No. Bring on the landlord.

I want to hear from the guy who lived with the Dom. Hey, Lord Hobbs. Here he is. Look at this guy.

All right. He's a big guy. He's actually done a porn scene before. Do you have a name that you can share?

Hobbs. Hobbs. Hobbs is your name. Let me sit right here.

Okay. This is the big old Hobbs here. How tall is Hobbs? Six foot two?

Six foot two. I like a tall man. Yeah. Yeah.

How are your balls feeling, Hobbs? They feel great. They feel wonderful. Okay.

You can sit next to him, Vicki, if you want, with your tits hanging in his face. It might make him... Okay. Well, yeah.

He's surrounded by women. Well, thank you. Okay. So now you are a landlord.

Yeah. I own property. Oh, yeah. Right.

So then don't... Yes. Gentlemen. All right.

Do what I got to do. And I hope you let these ladies just live there. I don't know. There's like...

Yeah, it's more. I rent the master bedroom. I pay the most rent than anybody. You used to live with the Dom.

My ex-girlfriend was a dominatrix, yes. Ah, right. Ex-girlfriend, right. And she was your girlfriend.

She was my girlfriend, yeah. But she didn't dominate you? No, but I helped her. She had a business doing it.

She had clients, so I called her me and all this, blah, blah, blah. I didn't know much about it. I would help her. It was her, like her girlfriend and then a slave.

He built a dungeon in the house. There's two houses on the property. And he moved into the bottom of the floor. And you never used this dungeon yourself?

Yes. He wasn't used in it. So you dominated the Dom. I'm not a dominatrix.

No, I didn't. His girlfriend was... Have you ever been dominated by a guy? That's hard to say.

You've tried. No, it's a long story. Oh, okay. It's a really long story.

I'm attracted... I'm sexually attracted to other dominant men. Yeah. So it's sort of like...

Sex for me is like a fight. And I call it crime scene sex. And there has to be like blood splatter on the wall. Not real blood.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Someone, when I have sex, someone is going to bleed. Whoa.

There was whips and chains and an electro machine and like... Wow. Across. I think people would say...

Don't try this at night. It's actually... It's not me. It's gonna be you.

One of the girls that lives up where the old dungeon was, she had sex dreams. She's been having a lot of sex dreams. I have civilians.

I have a lot of industry girls that live there because it's in the West Valley and then it's mixed with lots of... Put your face into the microphone, please.

It's nothing bisexual or anything. I live in the West Valley, so I get a lot of industry girls, quarantine rooms,

and then I get a lot of civilian girls mixing in with that, so... And she was having sex dreams and she's civilian.

We had two different dungeons. We moved it, so it had fire been a dungeon and now she's having sex dreams all the time.

Did you ever ask what her mistress name was? Mistress Lolo. And it was very amateur stuff. I'm not claiming that it was

any professional level thing at all. This was very amateur or just... Did you only dominate women or did you dominate men?

Well, I didn't dominate anybody. I'm in a restraints stuff like that and I would do that to my girlfriend, but it wasn't even in a dominating fashion.

We were just as a boy from girlfriend. But she was a dominatrix in her... And he liked the Swing of Life style, too. It was more of a hobby.

I'm not claiming that. Yeah, right. No, I see. I got you.

You know, it is a hobby for a lot of people. It's not the secret thing it used to be. A lot of people go to the fetish balls

I mean, do you think that the business is better or worse for dominatrixes now that there's so many people that kind of do this as a part-time thing?

I mean, there's a lot of tourists now and you would know better than I was when you were there when it was fully underground and shameful, but even since I started,

it's all the shame is gone. All the shame is gone. Look. All the shame is gone.

Yeah. I don't think, yeah. Shame is hot. Shame is hot.

Same shame. And you know, I'm into, you know, losing your shame to some degree, but I agree.

It's George Bataille. Oh, is a French philosopher who said that. A lot of people have said that. Shame is hot.

One of the things that makes us excited is something taboo, something preventing us. So if you're allowed to do everything, then why bother?

You know, there's got to be some resistance. But, you know, sometimes it can be conscious. It doesn't have to be something that is like the church or you can consciously go to a dominatrix

or incorporate BDSM. I don't know. I mean, I do know what you mean, though. The whole idea of not being able to do something

makes you want to do it. Speaking of doing stuff. And I don't want to get personally offended in someone turning her lifestyle into a fashion choice.

Well, I grew up in a Christian community and I went to church every day since I was five. That's why you are the one that needs the spanking. See, she keeps saying no.

I just want to say, since this is Kelly's service first time on the show, she needs to do a bonobo communion. Okay.

We'll take that. That's fine. Are you ready for bonobo-ville communion? No.

I'd like to know what that is. I'm actually going to... My featured guests are not drinking, so I didn't offer it,

but now we're at almost the end of the show. I feel well enough that I could drink now. So we're going to have a bonobo-ville communion which involves...

Dirty tequila! Shut up, baby. Dirty tequila. The perfect blended drink

of grapefruit and cinnamon. No, it's pineapple and cinnamon. Pineapple and cinnamon.

And tequila, of course. Blue agave, tequila. And we do body parts. Yes, Vicki can explain it.

She has learned now quite well. Miss Kelly Surfer, you're going to choose somebody's body part that you want to lick salt off of

and then take a shot of dirty tequila. Because that is asking for trouble. And I don't want to get spanked right now. I don't either.

I'm pretty tame like that. But... Okay. I'll leave Vicki for the donation.

Okay, so we are going to get our dirty tequila on. Oh, look, I drink like a fish first, right? Like I said, we just drink

and fuck over there. Are you having? Oh, no, thank you. Okay, let's see how far we're going.

You know I love the dirty tequila. I think Blackula will have mine. Blackula? Blackula.

Come on. Come take my shot for me, baby. Where are you going to take a shot from? What body part should I show you?

Yeah, just speaking to the microphone. Come on, baby, you take my shot. You have to choose somebody's body part to do a salt lick off of.

Okay. Well, isn't she submissive? He says, lick it off my belly and she says, oh, I'll lick it off his belly.

Blonde head. Oh, here we go. Where's the salt? Can you ask her to be topless

since you dominate her? Can you ask for that? I don't dominate her. Oh, you don't dominate her.

Kelly, Kelly. Can you pull your top up? Oh, my tits out. Beautiful, beautiful.

Where's the salt? They're beautiful and lovely and natural. They look good.

Okay, and so do you have your shots? Wait, what is the salt? Do we have salt? Oh, salt.

Here we go, salt. Right. Okay, so... Yeah.

There we go. Kelly Surfer is surfing the abs, which are pretty good abs here.

We've got some pretty good male abs going here. I understand why a dominatrix might be his girlfriend now,

even though she was just an amateur dominatrix. Still. She had good taste, I think. All right, so where are we at here?

That was actually really good, that shot. That was good? That was your dirty tequila on there? Okay.

And so, you know, you have your choice of body parts to lick. Very nice.

Anybody's body part that you want to lick? Oh, I'm looking at my chin. Oh, chin, yes.

All right, where's that salt? Where'd the salt go? I brought out the salt. Oh, here it is. Got it.

Got it. All right, so present your boobs. Are you choosing my boobs? Absolutely.

Okay, I'll get down on my knees. I'll get down on my knees for Mistress. Yes, beautiful. Except now she has to get down on her knees

to get at your tits. Okay. All right, so how does this work now? So you lick first and then put the salt.

Make it wet. Mmm, there she goes. And then like your finger and soak it up with the salt.

And then put it all out of the way. Microphone. Microphone.

Okay, microphone. Am I doing this correctly? Yes. And now I lick the salt and then I do the shot. Yes.

Oh, you put a lot of salt there. Wow. I'm impressed. Of course, she didn't lick it all off. That would be someone else's responsibility.

Oh, look at her licking her own boob now. Mmm. That is good. We got a good

from Mistress Tara, Indiana and a lot of salt all over. Kelly's. Vicky Snapple.

Very nice. We are having some fun. And it's getting to be a bit of a crowded room in here.

All right. Anybody not do a body shot? A Bonoboville communion

that needs Bonoboville communion? Oh, I see that Vicky's

lover is licking up the extra salt. Oh, you guys remember Ziggy from last week? Yes.

My lover and sexual companion. Sexual companion. Right. Oh, he's getting in the spirit of the spanking here. All right.

Everybody's getting excited. Oh, Maya wants to do Bonoboville communion. I have a request. Talk on a microphone, honey.

Right, where is the microphone? We're almost done here. I have a request if that's not too much to add. I don't know what it is yet.

I think Sybil is beautiful. And I'd like for her to do... I know she's not drinking, I'll drink the shot if he's not drinking the shot.

You're presenting your boobs to her? Are you going to present your boobs to her for Bonoboville communion? Yes, that's what I want.

I don't mind just salt. Aw, beautiful. Beautiful. Oh, Maya.

Oh, Maya. Maya. Beautiful. All right, Brad

is now coming into his own mouth. Come on. All right. All right.

I think we're almost out of time. So we're going to say goodbye to everybody. Can we do gratuitous plugs at the end? Absolutely, this is the time for this.

Time for the gratuitous... Okay, so for tickets to the Dead of Iniquity 20th Anniversary Party go to

d-o-i-l-a dot com d-o-i-l-a dot com that stands for Dead of Iniquity L.A.

There she is. I'm trying to get you into the camera. And it's going to be September 13th in Los Angeles

and September 19th in New York and we're going to be having a Slave Olympics. A Slave Olympics? Yes, what is that?

A famous Slave Olympics contest. It is just what it sounds like. There are Olympic events and the gold medal winner

wins prizes and possibly a spot in the personal stable of myself for Mr. Sybil. Last year's Gold Olympian

is now Sybil's live in Slave. Wow. Live in the dream. They're very hard

competitions. In more ways than one. Okay, so you got to check it out folks. Go to

d-o-i-l-a dot com We're also having an exhibition of the pictures Mr. Blackula has taken of some of the d-o-i mistresses.

Okay. Thank you Mr. Blackula, hello. New York Bob culture is going to be doing a retrospective. Oh, alright.

Very nice, very nice. Less all the film companies from 19... Hey, you are a landmark.

You are a landmark of female domination. 20 years. There's so many that go in and out as our landlord said.

And that's okay too. Some people just do it as a temporary thing. But you ladies are definitely the goddesses of the industry.

You are doing it full time and you're teaching. You also teach, I want to say, domination group classes most Sundays.

From 6 to 8. Every Sunday from 6 to 8. And are those ladies men? Mostly women.

Men want to do private stuff. No, men would like to come to the classes but we really gear them towards empowering females.

So some of the classes are only open to women and couples. We have a few... What's going on back here?

All kinds of naughtiness. Two people are in need of very very bad punishment distracting me while I'm doing the gratuitous play.

What was I saying? She's spanking Vicki's tits now just in case all you're doing is listening. And this is quite a sight.

We do classes from 6 to 8 on Sundays. Spank those tits. And while she spanks those tits I'll tell you to go to civiltroy.com

for lots of gratuitous porn. Yes. You call it porn? Domination porn.

Maybe not gratuitous, maybe violent. Violence, gratuitous porn. Go to civiltroy.com to see Jews get the shit beat out of them.

I worded that wrong. Ass raped, ass raped. All the ass rape in their raped asses.

Whoa. This is intense. We are intense. We're so excited to have spent

this time with you. It's just amazing. I'm so proud of you and you. It's just great what you're doing

for female domination and for males getting in touch with that side that maybe isn't so accepted by society.

Yes, my darling. Gomez. Max. I'm just getting a microphone.

And I'm just saying that we're winning. We're winning. And they're killing each other over there. They're killing everywhere.

These are the killing fields. All we do here is kick you in the balls a little. Here we kick you in the balls. Slap your tits.

Slap your ass. And we send out some missiles. look at that.

Nice. This is how we torture. This is how we roll. Will you be joining us for the festivities?

I think we're going to do that. I would love to be there. We would love to be there. There won't be another one for 20 years.

Oh my God. And you've never been to a slave Olympics. No, no.

I would like to see that. And I have to do it because I'm going to be 71 soon. 20 years. I'm going to be like Joan Rivers.

I'm out of here. No, no, no, please. Rest in peace, Joan. Anyway, Vicki Vixen.

Goodbye. Goodbye. All right. Hey, the moment you have a room available at

Bonoboville, I'm going to move back from Arizona and work for you. Okay, but I expect you to be edumacated. I will be.

I'm going to add broadcasting on to my list. She's taking art. Art, broadcasting, business, environmental science, whatever.

I'm taking art and broadcast too. All right, brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, I want to thank all of you who are out there

for listening or watching us from your home mansion on a hill or a cardboard box

or a dungeon. Maybe you're a prisoner somewhere and they will only let you watch the Dr. Susan Block show.

Wherever you are, I want you to be good, okay? And if you're bad, you should get a spanking. And I

want you to follow the Bonobo way of peace through pleasure. Do spankings.

Do ball kickings. Do all that stuff. But stop bombing each other and stop the fuck beheading each other.

It's given me nightmares, okay? So please just channel it into something nice like worshiping women

and, you know, domestic discipline or something like that, okay? So, Brad, you hear that? Eat your cum. That's what the mistress has told you to do.

Oh, you can cum now. I forgot about you. And uh,

and yeah, um, make love, not war, okay? Make love to someone. Amen. Amen. Amen.

It's female domination. Make love to someone you love tonight. Even if that someone is you, I love you.

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