Bettie Page Interview

Full transcript of Bettie Page Interview on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

It's night time in your car, you better pull over, and if you're home, you better hog tie yourself to the radio, and if you're watching television, relax. Here she is, Dr. Susie Block. My name is Dr. Susan Block.

You love Dr. You're mistress of the airways. You're mother confessor. You're baby girly girl. You're ever so slightly twisted little sister.

You're daughter of the American revelation. You're horny housewife. And your friend. You know I'm always your friend.

And I am broadcasting live from my big brass bed on the Saybrook Broadcasting Network. And tonight's show is a very, very special show. Tonight is a tribute to the living legendary Betty Page.

The queen of pinup, the queen of fetish, the queen of the jungle, and the queen of our hearts. We will be talking with Betty Page live on the air in just a few moments. Oh, I'm so excited.

And we'll be talking about her and the tremendous impact she has had on artists, musicians, models, designers, photographers, fetishists, and sexual adventures all over the world. Now, just in case you don't know, just in case you're out of it, Betty Page was a popular pinup model of the 1950s.

And she had a smile that could light up the stadium and eyes that could melt a rock. Like many pinup girls at the time, she posed nude quite a bit and in bathing suits and jungle get-ups.

And her Playboy pictorial in 1955 was one of the most popular of all time. But it was her imaginative and provocative dominatrix and bondage and spanking photos, especially remarkable for having been shot in the sexual dark ages of the 1950s,

that turned her into an internationally adored cult figure, literally worshipped by millions of fans. Her photos and her films, especially the Irving Claw films were very darkly fetishistic and yet charmingly playful.

Betty Page was pure erotic magic. Then, almost 40 years ago, a couple of years after she appeared in Playboy, the fabulous Betty Page, back from the limelight, becoming even less accessible than the quintessentially inaccessible.

Garbo, very inaccessible. She stopped modeling, she got married a few times. She became an active fundamentalist Christian and completely shunned public exposure,

even as the power of her incredible images grew and grew and grew, turning her into that international erotic icon. Now, she was once the most photographed woman alive or one of the most photographed women alive,

but now she very fiercely guards her privacy. But tonight, I am thrilled to say, the marvelous, mysterious Betty Page will speak with us. Live on the air.

This is her first live interview right here on the Dr. Susan Block Show. You can't tell. I'm excited. Can you? We're also going to be talking with her publicist and friend,

Bob Schultz, and one of the co-authors of her authorized biographer, her authorized biography, he is her authorized biographer. You can't tell. I'm excited. Can you?

The name of the authorized biography is Betty Page, Life of a Pinup Legend. Go out and get it. Well, right now you're going to stay and watch the show,

but right after the show, go out and get it. His name is James L. Swanson, and we've got other celebrity fans of Betty Page, all kinds of people.

Sarah Jane Hamilton is here, a Betty Page lookalike is here, Mistress Antoinette is here. If you're already a fan of Betty Page, hey, I know I don't have to tell you

to stay glued to your boot tube or your radio right now. If you're not already a fan of Betty Page, don't worry. You will be very soon you're going to see and hear what I'm raving about, Betty Page, a tribute.

You are listening to me, Dr. Susan Block, you're Mistress of the Airways. As those of you who know me know, I do believe that every man should have a mistress

and every woman should have a butler. That is, of course, if you're heterosexual and my darling butler, my husband, my cameraman, my master, my slave, my Max, hi, Max.

Hello, doctor. How you doing tonight? I'm doing just wonderful. I am so excited.

Aren't you? I am just so excited, I can't tell you. My goodness. This must bring back memories for you

of your first encounters with the glorious, inspiring image of Betty Page. I was just like a 14-year-old boy at the time. Aww.

Yeah. She was great. I loved her. Yeah, and how did you discover her?

I found her in one of those magazines and then I saw her Playboy. One of those magazines. The Playboy Centerfold.

She changed my life. She changed my life, yeah. Yeah? How did she change your life, Max?

Well, I decided that I was going to explore sexuality and the pleasures of my life rather than the pains. And you are still exploring away.

And my father was happy that I wasn't gay. Oh. That helps. Yes, yes, very healthy, very healthy.

And it made you pick a wife with bangs, didn't it? Yes, good. Well, we're going to have such a good time. I'm so excited.

And we have with us right here in our studio at the Dr. Susan Block Institute, Betty Page's publicist and friend, Bob Schultz. He is also the producer of GlamourCon,

the international Betty Page Festival. And he's the publisher of Fond Memories, which I was just looking through and I can't find my copy now.

Oh, it's in back of me. Oh, yes, here it is, Fond Memories. Ah, Fond Memories, which is all sorts of Betty Abelia here. And he is the ultimate Bettyologist and Betty file.

Bob, where's your microphone? Oh, it's right in front of you. There you go. Hi there.

Hello, Susan. Are you excited like I am? I am very excited. Yeah, well, you've talked to Betty a lot of times,

but you haven't talked to Betty on the air. Never on the air. I don't think anyone's ever talked to her on the air before live.

Really? That's right. No one has ever spoken to Betty Page live on the air. And we're going to do that here

on the Dr. Susan Block Show. Now, she has done a taped interview with Robin Leach. Correct. Lifestyles of the rich and famous, yes.

Yeah. But that was taped. This is spontaneous. This is exciting.

We hope she's there. I hope so too. We're all going to have to pray and cross our fingers. No, she's going to be there.

She's going to be there. So tell me, when did you first discover the image of Betty Page? Well, I think much like Max,

I found her in the magazine when I was young. Yeah. And I think I saw her, when I was at the University in Hawaii, I saw her quite a bit in the magazines.

There was a resurgence of Betty Page during that time. And that's where I really discovered her. What did you think of her when you saw her?

She was marvelous. She has some kind of unique quality that's hard to translate, that just comes across and it captivates you.

It sure captivated you. I mean, now you kind of devote a large portion of your life to the preservation and dissemination of Betty Page materials.

Exactly right. I gave up a 15-year job in finance to do this, actually. Really? Wow.

And you produce GlamourCon, which is like a Betty Page festival. I mean, she has captivated you, that jungle girl hasn't she?

She certainly has. She's taken over all of my free time and all of my work time. That's a commitment.

It is. And how long have you been doing this, you know, really professionally? Well, GlamourCon, which is a company

that really does a lot of this, has been around for several years. But, of course, I've known her for many years. I've known of her for many years.

I've known her for several years. I would say a good three or four years, at least, devoted to her, yes. And how did you meet her?

James Swanson, who's her attorney, and I had become friends. And a long story I made short, I finally came down to Los Angeles

after many false starts and was taken to her house, which is quite a distance out. And I met her for the first time

it was just a remarkable experience. And you were telling me when we were talking that that you would have recognized her.

You could recognize, if you're a fan of Betty Page, if you're a fan of Betty Page, you recognize her immediately,

just from her eyes. And does she still have bangs? She still has bangs, exactly. Exactly. Her hair is exactly like it was.

She still has bangs and she's still Betty Page. Her smile gives her away also. Wow. I didn't need any identification.

I could tell her right away. And now she is, she's kind of coming out of hiding, so to speak now.

And a lot of this has to do with a book that's coming out, an authorized biography, Betty Page, Life of a Pinup Legend.

And tell me a little bit about that. Well, this book has been on the planning stages for years, I think.

And there's a lot of people who want to write books about Betty. Most of them are unauthorized, by the way. Betty does not sanction them.

This is the first authorized and sanctioned book by Betty. James, her attorney, and a wonderful writer named Karen Essex,

who wrote a very definitive piece on Betty and the LA Weekly, have written this book. And it's a marvelous book.

It's a marvelous book. It's like 288 pages, 350 photographs, and photographs that you've never seen before. Wonderful.

Photographs from like her days before she was a pinup. Yeah, from her youth. Yeah, when she's standing in front of the malt shop, when she's with her sisters.

I mean, beautiful things. And some photographs of her modeling career that you've never seen before also. Great.

Well, now when is this book coming out? Any day now. Any day. I like to say it would be out today,

so you can all run out and buy it. But it's going to be out at the end of October, early November, something like that. And we can also get autographed copies

through fond memories. Yes, the nice thing about it is Betty was kind enough to allow us, our company, to sell her autographed copy.

And all of the proceeds of that autographed copy go to her. All of the autographed portion goes to her. And that's something that you have to understand.

When I created fond memories a few years ago, it was before I even knew that Betty was alive. But it had always been my intent to give money to Betty if we ever found her.

And even though fond memories was not a very profitable entity when it first started, we always gave her a portion of the gross, and we still do.

Oh, that's nice. Because for so long, she hasn't gotten anything off of all this money being made on her image. There are a tremendous amount of material out there

that is unauthorized, and the people just will not pay her. But you will, and you're here. And you're a good guy, Bob.

And you're going to get her on the phone. Yes, let us pray over the next commercial break. Betty Page will be here on the Dr. Susan Blokso very, very soon.

So don't you go nowhere. And you're listening to me, Dr. Susan Blok, your designated driver through the intoxicating world of human sexuality.

And tonight, we are driving into the amazing realm of Betty Page, Glamour Girl, Par excellence, and Bondage Queen, Jungle Girl, inspiration to so many artists

and models and photographers and publicists. As a matter of fact, we have Betty Page's publicist and friend and the co-producer of GlamourCon here with us. We're going to be talking with Betty Page herself

live on the Dr. Susan Blok show. An unprecedented event. Betty has not ever done a live interview. She's only been interviewed at all one other time

for a voice interview. She's done a couple of magazine interviews, I guess. We're going to, of course, be asking Betty, why, why all the secrecy, why did you disappear?

But I want to ask you, Bob, what's your take on it? Why did she disappear? Well, I think we'll let her answer that.

I think I take her at her word that she really kind of had enough. She was older than a lot of the other models of her time. And of course, no one knew that because she looks so good. No, no, no, she looks so good.

So fresh and innocent and sweet and young. I think she just had the course and it was time for her to move on to other things. Yeah. Well, she moved on and away, totally away, amazingly.

No one could find her. People looked for her, searched for her. And suddenly, she has reappeared in just the last couple of years.

And now she is coming forth and talking to people. And it's like the return of a, I mean, I hate to get too religious about this because I know she's a religious woman,

but it is kind of like, you know, some goddess died and came back and is here with us again. It's like a reincarnation almost.

It's so exciting. But tell me, you know, you talk to a lot of her fans of all different types, the artists, the models, the photographers,

the sexual explorers. Why do you think they are all so inspired by her? I think because she was so unique. In a world of Marilyn Wannabe's during the 50s,

she was unique. She had dark hair, of course, and that was very unique. She was her own woman.

She was very independent. And like you say, the sexual dark ages, she really transcended the sexual dark ages. So I think that she inspires people

in all different kinds of fronts, like you say, the artists, the models, the writers, et cetera. So and everyone will probably

tell you something different about her. But I think that she was so unique and so captivating and so ahead of her time, really. Well, yeah.

Everyone would tell you something different because she speaks so personally to people. We all have our personal interpretation. She means something to me, you know,

and people might even argue over her meaning. She has a tremendous amount of women fans. Tremendous amount. You would think not necessarily, but she does.

There's all these lookalike contests. We have a Betty Page lookalike right here in our studios. Very beautiful. Heather Sweet is a beautiful Betty Page lookalike.

We got here. And they've got contests that they... She is an incredible role model, actually, for a lot of women,

including yours truly, Dr. Susan Block. Though I had my bangs before I'd seen Betty Page, I had my bangs since I can remember. But I kept them when I saw Betty Page.

I said, I'm not cutting them. But I'm cutting out on you just for a moment. And then I am coming back, hopefully, with Betty Page on the line right here.

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And improve your love life. Dr. Susan Blockshow, on the Sabre Broadcasting Network, the intelligent voice of radio,

the sensual voice of radio, romantic radio for your private life. And tonight is a tribute to Betty Page, the living legendary Betty Page.

And we are going to speak with her, I believe. We are almost ready for the moment we have been waiting for. Are we ready?

Do we have Betty Page on the line? Yes, we do. Oh, we do. Hi there.

I'm here. How you doing? Speak a little louder. You sound like you're down in a well.

Oh, well, I'm going to come out of my well and talk to you. I'm going to get my engineer to up my amp here. We got it. Can you hear me okay now?

Yes. Hi, my name is Dr. Susan Block, and I am just thrilled to speak with you. I'm a big fan of yours.

No, well, thank you very much. Oh, you're welcome. Hello, Betty. This is Bob.

Hi, Bob. Okay. I wanted to introduce you, but I didn't get a chance. I'm sorry.

He was walking through the studio there, so I had to just take the reins, so to speak, Betty. But I've been sitting here with Bob, and we've been having a great time.

We're talking about your book, and how everybody's looking forward to seeing that book. Yes, I hope it will sell, and that everybody will like it. Oh, I'm sure everybody will,

because everybody likes you so much, and it's a book all about you. And so, what was it like working on the book? Oh, I enjoyed the interviews.

It brought back a lot of old memories. Yeah, let's... Carrying this, especially I'm with James, too. Uh-huh.

You like talking to them and bringing back those memories, looking through those old photographs? Some things.

I couldn't even... Some names of some people in my past. I couldn't even remember in the photographs. A lot of old family photos.

It's fun to do that. That's fun to look through old photographs and go back through your life, you know, like that old show, This Is Your Life, Betty Page.

So, let's go back to the beginning, if you would, with me. Can you tell me a little bit about growing up, you know, beautiful and smart,

and so energetic in Nashville, Tennessee, you know, during the Depression, and just wanting to be a movie star? Well, we were an extremely poor family

back during the Depression years. Yeah. My mother and father were divorced when I was 10, and she had a hard time raising all six of us,

even took in washing. But he kept us all together. That's good. That's that's important thing.

My father wouldn't contribute a penny to our support at all, and yet he always claimed he loved us. Yeah.

Well, at least you heard that. I was a great one for love and school. I really liked going to school. Yeah, I heard you did really well in school.

I don't know if all your fans know about that. I studied all the time. I wasn't very smart or brighter than any other students, but I just studied all the time.

Yeah, well, I don't know. I think you're a pretty smart lady. And if the teacher, if other students couldn't answer the questions,

the teacher would always call me, so I felt like I had to know it all. Wow. So what made a girl so interested in books and learning

want to be a movie star? I never particularly wanted to be a movie star. I just liked all the movie stars and loved going to the movies.

Well, how'd you get into this line of work then, you know, being a pin-up model and all that stuff? When I was little, with my two sisters, we would play program as we called it.

But one of us, all the girls would get in the circle and one would stand in the center and call on various ones to perform. Uh-huh.

There was some kind of dance or song. Little amateur theatrical. They all had to see me do the hula. The hula?

Yeah. When I make movie star poses, there was a brown section in the Nashville Browner. They'd always had movie stars every Sunday.

And we'd get the movie books and try to pose like the movie stars. Well, that's my earliest attempt at posing, even 10 or 12 years old.

10 or 12 years old and you were already posing and you practiced and you got really good at it. Yeah. In San Francisco in 1945, I think it was,

I took a modeling course later on in dollars for it. But I didn't learn a thing except how to balance a book on my head. Well, that gave you a lot of poise. You had great posture.

Well, it just came natural. I've just always been able to do it for some reason. You were always walking around on your toes, even if you weren't in high heels.

You were really something. You worked out though before, you know, everybody's into working out now, but people weren't into that then.

You were. Yeah. Yeah. So how come you didn't like want to be like

all those bleach blonde Marilyn Monroe types? How come you stayed true to yourself in Brunette? I never wanted to be anybody else. I was always satisfied with what God gave me,

with my own look. Well, God gave you some good looks. I don't know without makeup, I never looked like much. I know what you mean.

I know exactly what you mean. She's selling herself short. She looks very good still. You've seen.

Well, my husband would say that I look good without makeup, but I know what she means. So don't shoot me without makeup, please. I understand, honey.

So how about the bangs? How did you get the bangs? In 1950, in the fall, when I came back from Greenbush summer,

see it in Rockland County, New York, I was walking along the beach one Saturday late in the afternoon and the beach was almost deserted.

And there was a very handsome looking black fella with a beautiful body doing his exercises on the beach. And I sat down and watched him for about a half an hour. And when he got through, he came over to me

and asked me if I'd ever done any modeling. And I told him no. And he said, I think you'd be a good photographic model. And he gave me his card and said,

if I'd come to a studio in Brooklyn, he told me he was a policeman and that photography was his hobby. That was Jerry Tibbs.

That was Jerry Tibbs. And he said that he would make me up a portfolio that I could take around to the photographers. And I did.

I called him up and made an appointment. And he took a lot of pictures of me. Yeah. And were you on the cover of Harlem Community Newspapers?

That's a rumor that you... That was my first cover. I forget the name of the little paper, like a small magazine with newspaper prints.

And they would use covers of models on the front of it. Now, you know, racism's a big issue these days, of course, but you really broke through a color barrier there. You know, you were a white Southern girl

and you was a black photographer. You're on the cover of a Harlem newspaper. How did you have the courage to do that? All of my prejudice.

When I went to Haiti for four months in 1947, and I met so many nice black people, even as a love affair was a French Creole. Really? Ooh.

And I just... He had a nice body, too. I just lost all of my old Southern prejudice against black people. Good. Excellent.

That's great to hear. Jerry Tibbs was one of my best friends for all the years I was in New York. Uh-huh.

But did you ever keep up with him? Everyone would like to know that. No, I don't know if he's even still alive. And I haven't seen him in just 1957.

Well, maybe he'll come out of hiding as she finds out he'd like to see him. Yeah. He used to do beautiful retouch work on his photos.

He made me look a lot prettier than I was. Oh. And he would color the pictures, too. Uh-huh.

No wonder you liked him so much. And he would do his own coloring. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. He took some beautiful pictures.

And I looked a lot prettier in his pictures. The only thing I didn't like, he would insist on my stuffing Kleenex in the bikini bra. That's what big enough is to live on the heavy side anyhow.

Oh, no, you were not. Kleenex in there. And it didn't look smooth in the pictures. Yeah, no.

Your natural body was just gorgeous. Like you say, like what God gave you, that was the best. I know. I don't know why I was on him right now.

Oh, you know, guys are always doing that, trying to push you into different positions. So you met Irving and Paula Clow in 1951. Tell me about how did the three of you

develop all those incredible bondage photos and films? Well, he would get letters from doctors, lawyers, judges, a lot of people in all walks of life explaining what they wanted done. Doctors and judges.

A lot of them were doctors and lawyers. They still are. And they would tell him what they wanted done in the bondage shots and the models would do it.

And a lot of them would ask for me. Uh-huh. I can imagine why. The question is, when I was wearing a black leather pony outfit

with a head on its army, you wouldn't even know who I was. That's what this fellow wanted. A horse. Amazing.

Just amazing what judges and doctors and lawyers want. Oh, but I want to talk to you some more, Betty, but I have to go to a little break. It's just a couple minutes.

So will you stay there and I can talk to you a little bit more? All right. Oh, thank you so much. Don't leave us, please.

We're going to be waiting for you. We love you so much. Okay, we'll be right back. And you're listening to the Dr. Susan Block show

on the Saybrook Broadcasting Network. And we are talking with the living legendary Betty Page. Are you still there with me, Betty? I'm here.

Oh, good. So we were talking before about the wild, outrageous photos of Irving and Paula Clow that you did. Am I pronouncing it right as a claw or clow?

Clow. Claw. Claw. Right, okay.

So did all these bondage ideas, did they all come from the fan letters from the attorneys and the judges and whatnot, or did you come up? Well, some of them came from Paula and occasionally Irving would bring up something that he wanted done.

Oh, what kind of things would he want? But Paula usually handled it all. She would do the tying up and everything. I was never frightened, but one time, when they strung me up, spread eagles on a pulley.

Oh, I know that picture. With a rope around my waist and my arms tied to pulleys, spread out and my legs spread out off the ground now. I know, it is an amazing photo.

That's the only thing that scared me. Now, were you aware of everything that was happening there before it happened, or did they spring anything on you? Like the tie around the waist.

I would explain what was going to be done. So we had an idea of it beforehand. But we'd laugh about some of the crazy things they wanted. Yeah, I'm sure you did.

And you're laughing in a lot of the photos. You look like you're having such a good time. You're just going, here's what. I look like I'm in the agony.

Well, you know something, Betty? You don't look like you're in agony. It's incredible. You are in the most incredible, difficult, painful-looking positions,

and you look like you're having a good time in all those photos. I was going to ask you, how do you manage that? I look like I'm screaming in those spanking photos. Yeah, you look like you're screaming,

but you look like you're in control. Even when you're in the most out-of-control positions, you still exude power somehow. It's amazing.

That's part of your magic. It was hard on us posing in those six-inch spike heels. Oh, yeah. There was only one pair of those things,

and the heel was wider than the ordinary ones. That was the only pair that I could move around in. Yeah, those are nice. The ones with the kind of rounded toe.

The others, I couldn't move at all. No. I just had to stand there. Right.

Well, you look great standing there. So did you, how about the outfits? Did you come up with your own outfits? I used to make a lot of my lingerie and the bikinis I made,

but most of it was Irving's. And I hear that Irving, in his desire to escape trouble with the law, made you wear two pairs of underpants. A lot of times we wore two pairs.

I wore two pairs many times. Yeah. It was such a shame that Mr. Keefoffer had him in court and on the carpet calling his work pornography.

It was a shame. He never even did a nude at all, and always had the brass covered and the bottom covered. That Mr. Keefoffer was as bad as Mr. McCarthy.

Yeah. He was. He was nasty. I hear somebody up on the carpet who was selling pornography,

not Irving Clau. No. Irving Clau was doing damsel in distress scenes, basically. They made him sell most of his pictures, most of his negatives. Yeah.

And he had to destroy a whole bunch of them to make. It's really a shame. Well, fortunately, a lot of them have survived. And I mean, people collect these.

Did you have any idea how these photos would become so treasured? No. No idea. No idea.

Hey, did Keefoffer call you in when he had those hearings? Yes. Two of his men came one afternoon and told me to be down at the courthouse, downtown New York, the next morning at nine o'clock.

Oh, Sarah. And they said they were going to put me on the stand. Did they? They testified against Irving.

But I sat there all day long and all night up until 1 a.m. And only one little sandwich to eat all day long. Oh, my God. And they didn't even call you.

Somebody told me I had to go home. Oh, gosh. Well, don't you go anywhere, Betty. We want to talk to you some more.

We got to do another little break. But please, please stay with us. And we're going to come right back. Bob's going to keep your company over the commercials.

Okay, so. You're listening to the Dr. Susan Block show on the Sabre Broadcasting Network. And tonight's program is a tribute to Betty Page,

queen of pinups, queen of fetish, queen of our hearts, queen of heaven, queen of the jungle. Betty, are you there with me? Hello.

Hello, Betty. Betty, Betty. Hello. Are you there?

Are you there, Betty? Maybe she needs to hear a familiar voice. Bob, get on the line. Betty, are you there?

Hello, Betty. Oh, no. Uh-oh. Sorry.

Oh, there you are. I just recently got over a bout with Brian Cutters. Oh. And every now and then, I get on a coughing drag for no reason.

Oh, well. And you don't want to cough on the air. You're so professional. We almost all had a heart attack.

Yes. You have coughing jigs. We were going to have a heart attack. So we, how did you create your jungle girl character?

I made that costume. Yeah. So did that one night. And that's when I had one of those terrible experiences of my life that's in the book.

Oh, that's in the new book coming out, Your Authorized Biography, Betty Page, Life of a Pinup Legend. Everybody go out and buy this book. But anyway, so you had this terrible experience.

You're going to give us a hint as to what it was? No. You have to read about it in the book. They're going to have to read the book, aren't they, Betty?

Okay, all right. But I was afraid of those two cheetahs that I posed with a lot. Their trainer said they had been sick all night, the night before, and they were in a bad mood. And I had to straddle them and hold their leashes right next to me.

But they didn't bite me or anything. Oh, well, you just captivated them like you do everyone, I guess, Betty. Boy, you've been quite a daredevil in a way. Now, everybody wonders this.

I got to ask this question, of course. By the end of 1957, you stopped modeling. You kind of disappeared. I didn't disappear.

I just left New York two weeks before Christmas. Oh, that's it? She just left New York. Everyone thought you disappeared.

But I thought I was getting too old to do penups anymore. And the photographers had so many pictures of me and so many pictures have been sold. I just thought they were getting tired of me. And I wanted to change and wanted to go back down to farther and the warm sunny climate was a

beach that I loved so much. Oh, yeah. You do love that beach. We can see that in all those photos.

But how come you were so inaccessible? You were not accessible. People searched for you, artists that loved your work. And I wrote Irving a couple of times.

Yeah, Irving, yeah. Irving passed away just a few years after the Keith off. Yeah, and I took the life out of them, those nasty senators there. We got one little break here.

It's just a minute. And then I want to come back and talk to you some more about what you've been up to, about the book, and all kinds of stuff. So don't go anywhere, Betty, please.

We'll just come right back and be with you. Don't you go anywhere, either? Brothers and sisters, we are going to have a Sybian ride for Massimation Month. So you've never been on a Sybian before?

No, I've never been on one before. Okay. Now you are ready to ascend the throne. Mr. Tracy, you are going to ride God's machine now.

Put one leg right here, put the other right here, and just position yourself comfortably. Put your clip right here. Okay, so here she goes.

Uh-oh. It's mounting the Sybian. Have you ever ridden a Sybian, by the way? Oh, I have.

Many a time. My favorite horse to ride. Have Sybian yoga and experience it to the fullest. Go for the G-Spot, go for the clip, go for whatever works.

Someone can come from their nipples. We've got for Jim Rado, riding a Sybian. Wow, holy shit. That does the job.

Yeah, it's doing that. Sybian strikes again. Yes, I do say that when it feels good. Live on DrSuzi.tv from the womb room in Bonoboville.

Ride them cowboy. Take a G-Frag, G-Frag. We never get tired of watching a pretty girl on the Sybian celebrate and masturbation month.

Sonne les matines, ding and don't. Ah, oui. Oui, oui. Brassiste, vas-

Brassiste, you're the winner. Look at that face. That is a beautiful thing. Thank you, Dr. Susan Block.

You're a wonderful human being. You're a wonderful human being, Dr. Susan Block. Thank you, thank you. And I think that was a really good one.

I think we have orgasm, Houston. And let's have a hand. We have lift-off, we have lift-off. Dang it, don't.

Don't. Oh, okay. Oui, oui, oui, oui. Okay, we're going to go.

We're going to go. Testify, Sister Kenny. Testify. That you masturbate.

You're going to masturbate. And you are not ashamed. I am not ashamed. How was it?

What's your report? My vagina is so tingly right now. It feels like pop rock. I'm just going to take this home.

I think it's bigger than your little body. That is the best product endorsement I've ever seen. Can I leave now? Like, I'm ready.

I'm one. I do think I could at least leave the husband. Where's the husband? You got the simian.

You don't need the husband. Oh my God. Whoa, whoa, oh. Don't let her fall over.

Hey, darling girl. I love you. I love you. That's my girl.

We're listening to Radio Susie One on the World Wide Web. And we are back. We are the Dr. Susan Block Show on the Saber Broadcasting Network.

Tonight's show is a tribute to the living legendary Betty Page. So Betty, we were talking about you having disappeared. You haven't disappeared now, have you? You're still there, right?

Yeah. Oh, I love that laugh. Ooh. That laugh is like almost as good as that smile.

So after you disappeared, I mean, did people recognize you? Well, I know you didn't disappear. You said you didn't disappear. Yeah, a lot of people would recognize me.

Even my doctor, when I had a hysterectomy, 1971, Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami, both doctors knew me. And one of them had been a big fan of mine and still had a lot of my pictures.

Yeah. Oh. They tried to make a very thin incision on my hands to take out my uterus.

And they said that I could still do pinups. At least 1971, I forget how old I was there, but didn't. You weren't doing pinups anymore. Oh, no.

Well, see, but everybody thought you should still keep doing them, even your doctor. But you didn't want to do them anymore. You'd had it.

You were ready. That was the end of that phase of your life. And what kind of a phase did you go into? Well, on New Year's Eve, 1959, I walked into a little Bible

church in Key West. They were having a New Year's service. And I repented of my sins and stood in the back of the room and cried.

In the next Sunday, I went forward and received Jesus as my savior. And then I turned my life over to God a few months later. And I went to Bible schools for three years.

Wow. The happiest three years of my life. They were inter-denominational schools, Biola in Los Angeles and Moody Bible Institute

in Chicago and Multnomah School of the Bible in Portland, Oregon. We weren't even allowed to go to movies. As much as I like movies.

I couldn't go dancing anymore. And you couldn't drink smoking or anything like that. Of course, I'd never drive a sports car. You didn't do that anyway.

But did you miss dancing? I missed dancing because I always loved dancing. Yeah. You were always so good at dancing.

You just looked like you're having so much fun there. In your photos, you know, you look so dynamic and so relaxed at the same time. And you just look like you're just so hot.

What was your secret? The best pictures I did, I think and most everybody else does, were for Bunny Yeager in Miami on the beach, in the water and on the beach.

You really glow. I was very happy playing in the water because I like to swim and I like to open. Yeah.

The water is so much warmer down there, you know, than it is out here. It's freezing out here, usually. And I know you...

All the year round, it was nice and warm in Miami. Yeah. Now you said that when you went to church, you repented of your sins and we're all sinners.

We've all committed sins. But I don't... Did you ever think that you're posing nude and like that?

Was that a sin in your mind? I don't think so. I never thought so because when God created Adam and Eve, he had them naked as taboos.

That's right. All in the nude. And if they hadn't turned against him and disobeyed him and listened to Satan, they would probably have remained

nude in the dark. We'd all be nudists. Yeah. So I don't think God disapproves of nudity at all.

I even thought of joining a nudist colony once. Really? I'm always very happy running around the house in the nude. I don't do it here because there are other people in the house.

Uh-huh, yeah. I've lived alone. I used to go around in the nude all the time. Yeah, really?

You used to go around in the nude just making dinner and vacuuming and stuff? I was very happy the morning on the beach posing for Monday. You look so happy.

You sure do. I mean, that smile. Is that a smile for the camera? Is that a smile from the heart?

Or did you have a love affair with the camera? I just liked posing. You did. I always enjoyed it.

And I just tried to make up so different bikinis and costumes. I like talking to you. And I don't want to stop. But I got to go to a little break.

So come right back with me. It's just going to be one minute, Betty. And I'll be right back with you. All right, thank you.

Need to talk with someone about something you can't talk about with anyone else? You can talk with us. I'm Dr. Susan Block, your mistress of the airwaves. But my day job is director of the Dr. Susan Block Institute

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You came along and everything started to home. Still, it's a real good bet. The best is yet to come. It's yet to come, and babe, won't it be fun?

You are listening to the Dr. Susan Balak show on the Saberook Broadcasting Network, the intelligent voice of radio, the sensual voice of radio, romantic radio for your private life,

and tonight we are talking about the private and public life of the inimitable Betty Page. She is on the line with us right now, doing her first live voice interview, and we're just so excited to be with her.

So, Betty, you sound like you're getting a little tired, are you? Not too tired, good. Okay, I don't want to make you feel tired. When you get tired, Betty.

I'm just, are you there? Yes. I'm just always sleepy on Sundays because on Saturday nights, I sit up late and watching the, listening to the radio broadcast on KKLA, Christian radio station.

They have Bible studies from three to five at night, and then on Sunday morning, I'm up again at ten, listening to the church services. I don't go out. Do you have a favorite preacher?

Do you have a favorite preacher? I used to, I listened to Dr. J. Vernon McGee, who has a, through the Bible radio broadcast, he's been on the air about 50 years.

He was my pastor when I was going to Biola in 1960 and 61, at the church of the open door right next door. The church has since, since he died, it moved out to Glendora. So it's still on the air every Sunday morning.

Well, skipping from preaching to Playboy, which is quite a skip, I know, but I understand you finally met one of your big fans, Hugh Hefner. He, he was a fan of yours for you, a fan of yours for years and tried to contact you for years.

He was one of those people that couldn't find you. And how was your meeting? I met him recently at his house. It looks like a big castle, one of the British homes.

Yes, nice, the mansion. He is such a nice, down-door, friendly fellow. He sure is. I liked him very much and his wife and two little boys.

Yeah. But he's quite a character the way he dresses. He had six a yes there, including male torment. Was he wearing his pajamas?

He came out in his purple satin pajamas with a smoggy jacket. Yeah, that's half. Well, I enjoyed the evening very much. You had a good time.

You watched The Rocketeer. Oh, yes. Uh-huh. Dave's movie and I enjoyed that so much.

You know, Dave and- Very well done. Yeah. Now, there's a lot of artists that have drawn and painted you.

I guess Dave is one of your favorites. What, you have any other favorites? He's my best friend around here. He takes me to dinner, to movies, to a grocery, to the doctor.

He takes me everywhere. Yeah. You know, we have a female Betty Page lookalike here. She's somewhere.

And what would you say to all of the female fans of yours who are following in your footsteps? I'm just very flattered that the Betty Page lookalike contest that they keep having everywhere.

Yeah. And some of them look quite a bit like I used to look. Uh-huh. It's amazing.

Isn't it wild to have these women dressing up to look like you? Yes. Uh-huh. And I understand there are a couple of gay fellows

who are interested in me. Oh, yeah, not only women. That's right. A lot of them like me.

I know. Yeah? So you not only have the girls dressing up like you, you get the guys dressing up like you.

I know. I'm always surprised that as many women like me as they do. Yeah? Why does that surprise you?

Well, it's not usually normal. Usually, just men go for pent-ups. Oh, women want to be like you. You know, men are lusting after you,

and women are just, they want all that lust, you know? They look at you as a role model. They really do. So what would you like people to think of you?

I just would rather people remember me as I was when I was young. Yeah. Now, I don't think any fans want to see an old woman.

Well. Like I am now. You know, I put on a lot of weight, and my hair is gray now,

and I just don't think anybody would want to see me. Well, I don't do any interviews. Yeah. I do respect your privacy completely,

but I, for one, I would like to see you. I like to see a woman who is any age with your dynamism and intelligence, and I feel your beauty and charm

coming through right over the phone, and anytime you want to see me, I want to see you. You know, Betty, my name is Max. I'm Dr. Bloch's husband.

Yeah. He's been a big fan of yours all his life. I've been a very, very big fan of yours since I was 14 years old.

Well, I appreciate that. Yeah. I used to go steal my father's. You were 14.

Yeah. Since I was 14. Uh-huh. Pretty early now.

Yeah. That's pretty early. But you changed my life, but I want to tell you a story about Kefauver.

Oh yeah, we got a Kefauver story. Because I know him very well, and I want to tell you something about him. With Betty, and then we're going to talk

with all kinds of Betty fans here. We've got Sarah Jane Hamilton, and Mistress Antoinette, and Veronica Vera on the line.

Man, all your fans. All your fans are here for you. We all love you so, so much. Betty Page, live on the Dr. Susan Bloch show.

I will be right back. There's more. Whoa! Are you a victim of religious sexual abuse?

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but you just might feel a lot better. What you wearing here? Oh, yes. Can you come out a little bit here?

Let's have a little fashion show here. Here we go. And a little turnaround, maybe? So, so, so.

Oh, yes. Let's enjoy it. Oh, this is great. Oh, yeah.

So tiny. Now, how tiny is your waist? About 17 inches. 17 inches.

You're listening to me, Dr. Susan Bloch, your captain of the ship of fools for love. And we're sailing through Betty Page country tonight, talking with the living legendary Betty Page,

live on the Dr. Susan Block show. Betty, are you still there? You have a very sexy voice. God, I'm going to cherish that compliment.

Can I quote you on that, Betty? Can I quote you on that? Yes, you can quote me. Oh, because that is such a compliment

coming from you, darling. My husband is here, Max. You just talked to him a second ago. And he, his father worked with Senator Kefaufer.

Oh, yeah. So I want to tell you a story, Betty. It's a very important story. Because Senator Kefaufer,

my, my father was partners with the senator. And what they did many years ago in Washington, DC, and you should know this, they went out and they bought 300 homes where black people were living.

Yeah. And they evicted them all, okay. And then they turned around. This is the senator that prosecuted you.

They evicted them all and they took their homes away from them. They took their homes away. Why? And then they sold them back to the federal government

for a lot of money. For redevelopment. And Senator Kefaufer was very heavy into sex and into, and into SNM and bondage.

And I know him. My dad knew him. And one of the things that this country does and whenever it comes to people who smile

and, and tell people to have a good time and enjoy their lives is to prosecute them. And I wanted you to know that story because I've known it for a long time

and I've been a fan of yours for a long time. What a hypocrisy you are. Prosecuting people for doing bondage is in himself. Right.

That's right. Right. And in himself. That's often the way it is.

Right. And also stealing from people. And I want to say that very clearly. And, and I loved you.

You changed my life. Just, I'm just one person. And you changed my life. And you changed millions of people's lives.

And you called them the right name. And I'm just so thrilled to have you here tonight. I'm so glad to be talking to you. Yeah.

And you're here to, to promote your book, The Authorized Biography of Betty Page. And I understand that we can get real autographed copies of this book.

Is that right? Through fond memories. Yeah. And how do we do that?

How do we do that, Bob? It has everything in the book. Good and bad incidents in my life. I didn't leave out anything.

Some of it may be shocking to the readers. But I just told the truth about it all. A lot of it was shocking to me even. So it's, it was shocking to me even, Betty.

They can get your book by calling our number, which is 206-821-1760. That's 206-821-1760. And just leave their name, address, phone number,

and visa, mastercard number, and expiration date. And in November when it comes out, we'll ship it to them after we get you to sign it. Betty, you had a few husbands.

I had three too many. Except for my third husband. And the other two I should never have married. I don't know why I ever married Billy and my first boyfriend.

You can tell that I didn't really want to do it. He taught me into it. He kept begging me to marry him that he might get killed in the war.

He had been drafted, you know, had been declared A-1. This was during the Second World War. And everybody was marrying war heroes. I put on my old black jersey dress.

Get that now. And went on the bus with him up to Gallatin, Tennessee, about 30 miles away. And the ceremony was over

in about five minutes at the courthouse. And we got back on the bus. And as soon as I sat there and I said to myself, what have I done?

I didn't want to get married. And when he came back from overseas, he had been shell sharks and had a nervous breakdown. And he was just a jealous maniac.

I was going to ask you, what did he think of your career as a pin-up queen? What did he think of you as a pin-up model? Well, I hadn't been a pin-up model then.

I had just done some posing for Art Grayson, Hollywood commercial motion picture company in San Francisco. Well, that's all I had done. I wasn't doing pin-ups back then.

Uh-huh. Well, he was just a maniac of jealousy. He was so jealous of my own brother, Jimmy, that he wouldn't even let me go to the movies

or skating with Jimmy. And Jimmy and I had been close growing up and were real pals. Wow. Now that's bondage, Betty.

That's human bondage. I tried to make a go of it several times with him, but it was no use. But I never wanted to have a divorce like my mother and father had.

Yeah, well, but you weren't meant to stay with him. But it was a hopeless case from the beginning. Yeah. My second husband, I should never have married him either.

He was too young for me. Were you already a pin-up model by then? He was only 18 when I met him and I was 30. Uh-huh.

No, we had in common with sex, movies, and hamburgers. He was a nut over hamburgers. All he wanted me to cook and all he wanted to eat when we went out was hamburgers.

Just eat and have sex, huh? That's how a lot of men are. So we just lived together 10 months. Uh-huh.

What did he think of you being a pin-up queen? Oh, he had a lot of pictures of men with bragging about it to all those butters. Oh yeah, he liked it.

He was very proud of me. Uh-huh. So we have some fans of yours that are here in my little studio who would like to talk to you.

Can you stay with us for another segment to talk to a few of your fans? Okay, that's great. Thank you so much, Betty. We are going to be right back with the fabulous mysterious

and getting a little less mysterious. Betty Page right here on the Dr. Susan Block show. Ooh, I love that laugh. Hi, I'm Dr. Susan Block and I've just written a new book

called The Bonobo Way, inspired by my love for the make love, not war, great apes. You know, the ones who have a lot of sex in a bonobo sutra of positions, including face to face.

But it's not just how bonobos have sex. It's how they use sex to prevent murder and war. Really, they're the only great apes that have never been seen killing each other.

They practice what I call peace through pleasure, with the females gently dominating the very happy, very sexually satisfied males. Bonobos are special partly because they just are

and partly because they're very, very close to us, almost 99% genetically similar to us. When it comes to being human, even being humane, bonobos can teach us so much, which brings me to us

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And improve your love life. Listening to me, Dr. Susan Block, your love doctor. You're Mistress of the Airwaves, and I am talking with Betty Page,

live on the radio. Or if you're watching me on your TV, you're seeing it on tape, but it is Betty Page's first live interview.

And Betty, are you still there with me? Oh, wonderful, I love that voice. You've always had a... Your second interview.

You did one with Robin Leach. But that wasn't live. I got to have a first here, though, Betty. I got to be doing something for the first time.

And that one wasn't live. This is live on the radio. People are hearing you absolutely live as it's happening, spontaneous.

We're not editing out any... You're not making any mistakes, but if you made any, we can edit them out. I have a lady here.

Her name is Jeanette. She also calls herself Mistress Antoinette. And she is the designer and proprietor of versatile fashions.

And she is a big fan of yours. And she'd like to say hello to you. Betty, it's so nice to get to hear you. You're so...

Hello. I think that's fantastic you're a designer. What do you design? Well, I think a lot had to do with your boot

that I'm holding in my lap. I had a husband that brought a pair of boots to me and this kind of started the whole company. I didn't understand what he was talking about

until he showed me some really beautiful pictures of you. And that was 32 years ago, Betty. So I did a magazine and I started Reflections Magazine

after looking at your pictures and Betty Page is all over the place. And then I started having people come to me that wanted me to dress them to look like you, not me.

So many people want to look like Betty Page. Male and female, we've determined, yes. So I'm holding a pair of boots on my lap right now and sitting next to one of my gals here

that I'm sure will be wanting to speak to you so badly. And she is Heather and she wears corsets. The corset look is really in satins and soft and feminine and with the high heeled heels that you wore.

Do you remember those? Yeah. I still have the pair of boots. Do you still have any of these in your collection?

No, I don't have any of my costume. They all got lost in the west. Can you imagine what they'd be worth now? Anyway, I would be able to sell them now.

You bet for a lot of money. I think they keep trying to rip these off out of my attic upstairs in the corset company. And here they are.

So I am delighted to know that you really are wonderful. Yeah, you're just being kind, huh? Yeah, you don't just look wonderful. You are wonderful.

Yeah, it's really exciting. We all have to get older, I know, and I think we all worry about that. I hate old age.

We all do. I'm given the ring to be even 50 again. I was in very good health with no arthritis for a few months of any time

when I was even in my 50s and 60s. Just the last couple of years, I've started falling apart. Well, I get to write about you, Betty, and it's really exciting

because I think we really are caring and loving people. And I have enjoyed both signs of the track as well. I've had eight grandchildren as well as three children. So we're a pretty well-rounded family ourselves

and really enjoy it. You're talking about younger than that. Oh, she knows how to flatter this, Betty. And I would love to meet you in person,

so don't you forget that I am a person. And don't go anywhere. We're going to be right back. We've got a few more wonderful ladies and gentlemen

that want to talk to you, Betty. We are here with Betty Page live on the radio. Don't go away, Betty. Don't leave us, please.

My husband is asking. It's on his knees. We'll be right back. Need to talk with someone about something

you can't talk about with anyone else? You can talk with us. I'm Dr. Susan Block, your mistress of the airwaves. But my day job is director of the Dr. Susan Block Institute

for the Erotic Arts and Sciences, specializing in sex therapy over the phone. Anytime you need to talk, whether you need serious psychotherapy

or a hot phone sex experience or a combination, my world-renowned telephone sex therapists are just a phone call away. Totally private, absolutely confidential.

We listen, talk with you, advise you, role play for you, and fantasize with you. And no fantasy is too taboo. And we help you with anything

from impotence to exhibitionism, fears to desires, fetishes to marriages. If you've never called before, don't be embarrassed. We all need help with sex at one time or another.

Even world leaders do. Maybe especially world leaders do. But I'm not going to tell you which ones. So when you need to ask a question or play out a fantasy,

or just talk with someone about something you can't talk about with anyone else, call us at 213-291-9497 anytime you need to talk. Pin-up star of all time, smiling or sultry,

bright-eyed and definitely bushy-tailed. Betty Page is... You're putting it on much too thick. When you rolled it on thick with me,

you told me I had a sexy voice, so, you know. It surprises me calling me a legend. I was never a legend. That's for movies and television.

Well, at least you're not a legend in your own mind, like a lot of people are. You're a legend in your own time. You are. I mean, people think of you that way.

It's nice you don't think of yourself that way. It makes you human. I would never think of myself as any kind of a legend. Well, you are.

I mean, and you know, now your book is coming out and I have a feeling this is not the first, the last live interview you're doing, certainly not the last interview.

How do you feel about coming out a little bit more and getting in touch with all these people that think you're a legend, that think you're a goddess? I just don't have them see me.

Oh, the weight of death on me. Well... I think it would be disappointing to them. Well, like I said, I wouldn't be disappointed.

I know a lot of people wouldn't, because we all know it happens to all of us. And that doesn't make you less of a legend. It just makes you human.

I think it detracts from my image of years ago. Well, you know... I don't even like to see the good old movie stars get old. Well, you know something?

It's very sad that some of them in the films when they're old. It makes you more of a legend, not to show yourself. That was a knowledgeable giggle there. Oh, yeah.

But you're talking to us. And, you know, we hear so much wonderful warmth in your voice. It's as much warmth as we see in your smile in those pictures. I have a friend of mine here.

Her name is Sarah Jane Hamilton. She's an actress and you've been a great inspiration to her. And she wants to say hello to you. Hello, Betty.

Hello. I know you find this amazing, but I am 24 years old and you have influenced me. See, you are a legend.

I know you're very modest and you can't quite believe it, but you have actually touched so many people of my generation and way back. And that's the truth, Betty.

Whether you like it or not. I feel very flattered by all the attention so many, many years later. Well, you have been. In fact, when I was back in England,

I was a bit of a little fetish thing. No, you were. Yeah. I could tell you were for some way over there.

Yeah. And I called myself Sarah Page, so I stole from you. But I wanted to ask you just a quick question if that's OK. Madonna has obviously been influenced and is doing books

and clothes and all that kind of thing. And I was wondering what you thought of Madonna. I think she's very fascinating, especially some of those outfits she wears. She has a very good voice and interesting personality.

I like to watch her. Some of her outfits look a little bit like yours. Those cone bras that Goatier designed for her are a little bit like that metallic cone bra you're wearing with Irving claw there.

Yes, I remember that thing. That was a wild looking thing. What did I feel like on that cone bra there? Betty, you can come down and design for first child fashions now.

See, there's another job. I was going to also ask you if you would ever be interested in doing your own line. You know, the Betty Page fashion line. I'm sure you'd make millions.

I was very foolish back years ago. I should have sued a couple. One of the last posing jobs I had was at night down in Greenwich Village in the studio, a man and his wife.

And I never thought anything about it. But they had me putting on all of my costumes, all of my bikinis especially. One after another and the shooting went on for about four hours. And later they started selling them as Betty Page's bikinis.

Ooh, those sneaks. They advertised in magazines and newspapers for years. I should have sued them. They didn't give me a penny.

Just my regular modeling fee when I post for all. And selling them as if they were my coming from me. Betty Page's bikinis, it would say. You know, I've heard a lot of people have ripped you off, Betty.

And that's why this book is different. Because you're going to make some money on this book. So we should all go out and buy it, huh? I hope so.

I hope you will. Betty Page. Well, thank you so much, Betty. A legend.

You are a legend. And this is Heather. This is the lovely Heather who looks very much like you. Very much.

Oh, really? Yes. She's a Betty Page lookalike. I have your pictures all over my walls.

Yes. When I can't figure out something to wear, I just look at a picture. Yeah, I adore you. And I just, that's really all that I have to say.

Yes, she looks a lot like you. Thank you very much. We've all got your bangs. I mean, we're all into those.

I knew well that I would have to wear yours. 1951. You've been wearing the bangs since 1951? I don't curl my hair like I used to every night.

Yeah, that can be a real pain. That can make you late for your appointments, huh, Betty? I know. I had a bad reputation for being late.

Yeah, but. Especially when I'd worked for Irvin. I shouldn't have done it in the world there. Yeah.

I didn't do it. I wasn't deliberately late. It just took me a long time to get my makeup on. I understand how it is.

You got to get that makeup on. They get that lipstick. So what was Irving like as a guy? I mean, it was a very sweet fellow.

Yeah. Very nice. And he would send out for lunch and get us sandwiches and cold drinks. And he never raised his voice.

I got angry at Andy and the models. He stayed in the background a lot. You know, he didn't do much of the shooting hardly ever. He had a couple of photographers and his sister Paula learned how to use the camera.

Where'd she learn how to tie those knots? Where'd she learn how to tie the knots? That's what you mean. I don't know.

Well, you know, she looks like an expert there tying all those knots. She didn't have any trouble tying you in all the positions that people asked for. Yeah, she didn't have it. How'd you feel with that ball gag in your mouth?

That must have been kind of. That was strange. Yeah. I don't know why anybody would want a ball gag in their mouth.

But to take this step, Robert Blue painted a big painting of me recently tied up with that old ball gag. That old ball gag, yeah. Do you know, Betty, we had that 20 years ago in our company. Robert Blue's painting of you on a poster with your hands in the shoes.

Do you remember that? Wait a minute. I can't see. You talk a lot.

Talk into the microphone a little. Yeah, there you go. Do you remember the picture that Robert Blue did with you with your hands in the shoes? With my hands in what?

In the shoes, in the high-heeled shoes. Your feet and your hands were in the shoes. Yeah, I don't remember that at all. Oh, we got him in trouble, didn't we?

Yeah, we had that poster for about 10 years in versatile fashions. Oh, really? Yeah. And we just walked the streets of New York with Heather that's sitting next to my right that you talked to.

Walking a couple of miles just to go to the photography studio to get your recent pictures that she didn't have as your collection. And that was just a couple of weeks ago. Oh, really?

That's interesting. What? Movie star news is where you were carried. That's right.

I was having cost first original pictures of movie stars before he started doing his own. So, Betty, we're going to have to go into a break now. Are you getting tired? If you're too tired, we can just say goodnight now.

If you feel like talking a little more, we'd like to talk to you a little more. What do you feel like? Whatever you want to do. I want to keep talking to you, Betty.

I want to keep talking to you. Stay with me. Betty Page right here on the Dr. Susan Block Show. And you're listening to the Dr. Susan Block Show on the Saybrook Broadcasting Network.

Tonight's show is a tribute to the living legendary Betty Page. You're wonderful. Even though she doesn't think of herself as a legend, a lot of people do and we do and she's alive.

She's not only a living legend, she is alive and we've been talking with her. We are still talking with her. But we're going to say goodnight, Betty, because we hear that you're tired and that you're such a people pleaser that you won't say that you're tired.

Plus we're out of time. Plus we're running out of time. And we want to talk to Bob about GlamourCon. Oh, you want to talk to Veronica?

Have you ever spoken to Veronica before, Betty? No. You know what Veronica does? She teaches boys how to dress up.

Like you. That's what she does. Yes, Veronica Vera's school for boys who want to be girls. Her high-heeled school.

Veronica seems to be better. Veronica, are you there? Hello? Oh, I guess we can't do a conference call.

I can't conference it. Are they very young boys? Good question. I think they're of age.

You know what, Betty, if you hold on, you'll be able to hear her. We can't put her on at the same time. But she will give you a little message about... Just hold on.

Don't hang up and we're going to put you on hold and you'll be able to hear her. And in the meantime, there's like dozens of people here who just love you. You've touched their lives. Like you've touched my life.

And you're touching our lives again. And we are just so grateful. Very grateful. And so thrilled.

And so glad you had me on the program. And by the way, you can come on anytime you want. Anytime you want here. We're here at the Century Wilshire Hotel.

We'll give you a hotel room, everything. Anyway, we're all going to buy your book, Betty Page, Life of a Pin-Up Legend by Karen Essex and James L. Swanson with special contributions from Betty Page herself.

And we can get that from GlamourCon or fond memories, which is at 206-821-1760. Great. That's for the autographed copies or regular copies.

And Betty, Betty, thank you so much for joining us. I thank you for having me on the show. Yay. We love you.

Hi, Betty. We love you. Everybody, we love you. Everybody's applauding here.

Okay. Veronica, are you there? No, she's not there. Okay, we're going to put her on

and you're going to listen to her, Betty. Okay, hang on, Betty. Okay, so can we say hi to Veronica now? Okay, we're standing by.

We are sitting by. I, for one, am lying by. Veronica, are you there? Yes, I'm here.

Oh, hi there. We couldn't do a little conference call here, but Betty really wanted to hear from you. I know, I heard that.

So what do you want to tell Betty? Oh, well, I hope she's, I hope Betty, I'm sure she's still listening to the program. Oh, yes, she is.

I hope she hasn't put on her negligee. Maybe she has, I have mine on. Betty, I want to tell you that you have, there's a beautiful photo of you by Bunny Yeager

that has a prominent spot in Miss Vera's finishing school for boys who want to be girls, right in the center of our dressing area.

Betty Page is the muse of the store. That's right. Well, it's an academy. It's not a store.

Oh, okay, the school. This is a learning experience. Yes. This is the dean of students here.

That's right. And Betty always believed in education. Well, we also do believe in education and recreation. And also I wanted to tell Betty that in 1984,

I was asked to testify before a Senate Judiciary Committee on my experiences in the sex industry. And they were very interested in bondage photos. So I had done a bondage series,

well, one bondage shoot for a magazine. And I thought, well, if they want to know about bondage photos, I'll bring these. And at the time I did the photos,

I had proposed it to the editor, saying I was really wanted to explore the bondage photos in this way that the Betty Page photos had been done

because I thought they were just so great. And you just have such, Betty Page has such an air of having fun about it. Oh, yes.

In such a glamorous way. So when I testified, I said to Senator Arlen Specter who was chairing the committee that this was a tribute to Betty Page

and that I had wanted to follow in her footsteps. So I just wanted Betty to know that... But you carried on her tradition right on the Senate floor. That's right. We're never going to let them rest.

All right, yes. Get those sanctimonious, sensorious senators. Absolutely. Hey, thanks so much for joining us, Veronica.

I just want to talk to Bob about the... You want to find out? About GlamourCon. Yeah, and everybody has to go out and buy this book.

Yes, I want to buy that book. How much is that book anyway? How much is the book? How much is the book, Bob?

Oh. The autographed copy is $49.95 and $4 per shipping. Great. A bargain. And GlamourCon.

GlamourCon is Betty Page's festival. It's going to be next week, 23rd and 24th at the Burbank Hilton Airport Hotel. If you're watching us on tape, then you'll have to go another time.

You'll miss it. For all those on the radio, come and see us. Okay, and... And also, it's $49.95, but you should send in $350.

Send in $300 and $50. And the extra all goes to... It's for Betty. It's for Betty.

And we love Betty. She deserves it. She deserves so much more. She stretched her heart, revolutionized America, and...

And she revolutionized you and me, huh, Max? She certainly did. Oh, yeah, she's revolution... And Betty doesn't have to worry about her image,

because that image will live forever. And ever and ever. The greatest girly girl of all time. We love you, Betty.

We love you, Betty Page. I got something. What is she's history? We are going to have a Sybian ride

for Massivation Month. So you've never been on a Sybian before? No, I've never been on one before. Okay.

Just call this number. You are ready to ascend. Four, seven, four, five, six, seven, eight. Teresa, you are going to ride...

Go on. God's machine. You can talk now, at one time. Right here, with the other right here.

Position yourself comfortably. Put your clip right here. And here she goes. Uh-oh.

Mounted. You ever ridden a Sybian, by the way? Oh, I have. Many a time. My favorite horse to ride.

Have Sybian yoga and experience it to the fullest. Go for the G-Spot. Go for the clip. Go for whatever works.

Someone can come from their nipple. We've got for Jim Rado. Ride in to Sybian. Whoa.

Holy shit. That does the job. Yeah, it's the Sybian strikes again. Yes, I do say that when it feels good.

Live on DrSuzi.tv, from the womb room in Bonoboville. Ride on, cowboy. Take a deep breath. Deep breath.

We never get tired of watching a pretty girl on the Sybian celebrate and masturbation month. Don't. Princess.

Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. A sister that comforts us.

That is a beautiful thing. Thank you, Dr. Susan Block. You're a wonderful human being. You're a wonderful human being.

Dr. Susan Block. You're a wonderful human being. Thank you. And I think that was a wonderful thing.

I think we have orgasm, Houston. And let's have a hand. We have lift-off. We have lift-off.

We have lift-off. We have lift-off. And we have lift-off. We have lift-off.

We have lift-off. Testify, Sister Penny. Testify. That you masturbate.

And you are not ashamed. I am not ashamed. How was it? What's your report? My vagina is so tingly right now.

It feels like pop rock. I'm just going to take this home. I'm just going to take it home. I think it's bigger than your little body.

That is the best product endorsement I've ever seen. Can I leave now? Like, I'm ready. Come on.

Where's the husband? We got the simian. You don't need the husband. Oh, my God.

Whoa! Whoa! Don't let her fall over. Whoa!

Whoa! Hey, darling girl. I love you. That's my girl.

We're listening to Radio Susie One on the World Wide Web. It's the last segment of the Dr. Susan Block show.

Tonight's show has been a tribute to Betty Page. Queen of pin-up, queen of fetish, queen of the jungle

and queen of our hearts. Whether frolicking on the beach or wielding a whip or bound and gagged

or trimming a Christmas tree, Betty Page always knew how to strike the right pose. She had one of the greatest, sweetest,

purest, most passionate love affairs with the camera of all time. In her photos, she gave us love and she gave us sex in infinite variety.

She made it all look like incredible, wholesome, all-American fun. And it is, isn't it? She gave us power.

Did she give us submission? I don't know. Even in her most helpless, bonded shot, she just exudes power. And she gave us boundless eroticism

in that sexual dark ages the 1950s. Betty Page was a pioneer and artist, a legend, and the greatest girlie girl

who ever lived. And she still lives and we have had the privilege of talking with her tonight in her first live interview ever here on the Dr. Susan Block show.

And I want to thank her. I know she's still listening, even though she's not here right now, on the air. And I want to thank all the people

that made it possible for us to talk to Betty, including Bob Schultz, of course, and Mark Greenblum

and James L. Swanson, who is the co-author of Betty's new book, Betty Page, The Life of a Pin-Up Legend, along with

Karen Essexco, and by that book you can order it from fond memories. And I want to thank let's see, did I say Mark Greenblum?

Yeah, Mark Greenblum's a great Betty Page artist, and he's a great glamour artist, and he made this possible. I want to thank Mr. Sanctuinet.

We all had a lot of margaritas. Margarita artists. No, our margarita artist is Nigel. A big Betty Page fan and

our second camera man tonight, I want to thank Nigel. I'm going out of order. And our director, Joe Rabbits, I'm going all out of order. I want to finish

thanking some of the guests. Mr. Sanctuinet of versatile fashions, the designer of versatile fashions, big fan of Betty Page, Sarah Jane Hamilton.

The great Sarah Jane Hamilton. The great Sarah Jane, the beautiful luscious English, Sarah Jackinky Sarah Jane, and Veronica Vera,

Dean of Miss Vera's School for Boys Who Wanted Girls. Thank you so much. And Mr. Sanct, I said Mr. Sanctuinet.

You can say it again. And Heather, Heather Sweet, who is a Betty Page lookalike. It's wearing a beautiful corset by Mr. Sanctuinet.

And let's see Joe Rabbits, our director for tonight. And let's see communications director,

Bobo Martinez. My production assistant, the lovely Kiki Moretti who is wearing a fabulous Betty Page inspired outfit tonight that we can't see

because Max is sitting on the sofa. And my attorney, John Levine. You always need an attorney for sure.

Betty should know about that kind of stuff. And my video editor, Stephen Whetstone. my live in-bedroom

musician, Efrem. Efrem is my live in-bedroom musician. And thank you, my darling listener, for having us

in your home, your house, or your cardboard box. You've been watching a tribute to the living legendary Betty

Page in her first live interview on the Dr. Susan Block show. We must go.

We want you to be happy. We want you to be healthy. We want you to try not to hurt anybody including yourself.

But please, find the pleasure in your life. It's right between your nose, your toes.

It's right under your nose. It's between your toes. It's right between your breasts. It's a bit more legendary.

Ah, God bless you. God bless you. And God and God is

bless, the beautiful Betty Page. God is bless you Betty. You're listening to radio

Suzy One on the world wide web.