Bedside Chat 16: #MeToo, Sex Panic & FemDom Power

Full transcript of Bedside Chat 16: #MeToo, Sex Panic & FemDom Power on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

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Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists, lawyers and

connoisseurs, all you children of sex and we are all children of

sex. We're the capital X. Can I get an amen? Can I get? Yes, indeed, brothers and sisters, we may or may not be children of God, Jesus or

Allah, I don't know. My Brahma, Buddha, Ramadhamadhamma, but

until we start gloating ourselves, we are all children of sex and we are broadcasting live from the Little Love Church in Bonoboville, the Church of the Bonobo Way, and I'm shooting myself because it's hot. Don't get any crazy ideas.

I know people like to just take a herd and assume they know everything. I'm shooting myself with a water pistol. Holy water, brothers and sisters, it's good for the skin.

Yes, indeed, shoot water pistols, not AR-15s. Oh, baby. So it's my sweet 16th bedside chat of the Corode Apocalypse.

In the tradition of FDR's fireside chats. Yes, indeed. Shout out, by the way, to my girl, Anna. Anna, muy cabrona. Recovering in the hospital tonight, there's a picture of Anna and me and Miguel

barbecuing, wieners or something, corn. Yes, Anna, muy cabrona. We love you. Yes. Yes, she's at the second level and she should be still at the first, but she's doing really great. You're welcome, the energy. We give the energy and she gives always the great energy.

Yeah, all right. The nepotistic narcissist, let's talk about Trump. Yeah, he wore a mask today for a change. So we have him wearing a mask. We always make him wear a mask in Bonoboville. This is our little Trumpy,

Trumpy squeezy and he has commuted the prison sentence of his old lover. I mean, pal, right? Roger Stone. Yes, indeed, brothers and sisters.

There he is, Roger Stone. And he is a total fascist jackboot licking douche, Roger Stone is, and an embarrassment to kinksters, swingers and cuckolds everywhere. Yeah, really, he does all those things badly.

So, you know, I'm not a fan, but his was not a violent crime. And so I have no problem with him being pardoned or commuted. But only if we also release all nonviolent prisoners.

And let's start with Chelsea Manning. She exposed violent crimes of the U.S. military, but she did not commit any violent crimes. And free Julian Assange, because, you know, he's did the same thing.

And in the Good News Department, the Supremes are making some great rulings. It's really weird. But we didn't think that they were good.

But, you know, sometimes they change when they're in there. A pro LGBTQ, pro Dreamers, anti-Trump, pro female. Hey, hey, it's the bonobo way. And speaking of bonobos, tonight I am going to chat

with some very amazing bonobo-esque guests. Yes, indeed, I want to really get to know these ladies. And so I do want to talk a bit about bonobo sex and female empowerment and male well-being before I talk to them.

And why it's so important and, well, especially in relation to me too, you know, you too, yeah, me too. And, you know, the changing attitudes towards sex. Ah, sex, right?

If you recall, back in the fall of 2017, the sweet pussies of me too on the reckoning pounced like Tigris's on Power for Men with grabby hands, mostly little grabby hands, but some big grabby hands.

And many of them were fired or publicly disgraced for their sins of sex and power. Meow. These pussies have claws. Yes, indeed.

Now, very sadly, me too did not bring down the pussy-grabber-in-chief. Though over 25 women did accuse him of sexual assault. Nevertheless, me too has been a very powerful, very bonobo-esque movement in many ways, a movement for female empowerment.

And bonobos are the perfect female empowerment paradigm, proving that true democracy is not just a feminist fantasy, but it's a real, viable way of life. Yes, indeed, practiced successfully for many millennia

by our closest genetic cousins, the bonobos, and maybe even by our prehistoric hunter-gather ancestors. Like the me too movement, female solidarity supports female empowerment among bonobos.

And that's one reason for female solidarity. What is it? Sex with a capital X. Yes, indeed.

That is, bonobo females have sex with each other, at least as often as they do with the guys. And I'm not saying that we humans have to have, you know, more gal-gal sex although, hey, nothing wrong with that, right?

But yeah, bonobos show us that being gay or bisexual or pansexual is natural and good, really good for the individual and the community, just as good as being straight, really.

Not any way lesser than. And they're also pretty polyamorous, kind of like Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith and August Alsina, the latest little fun scandal

that isn't really scandalous at all. You know, they seem fine. It's the mob that is upset with them. But anyway, there's another key to bonobo female empowerment

and the bonobo way that sometimes I think that the Me Too movement could be missing. I don't know. I call it Me Too Plus.

And that is male well-being, you know, the guys. One vital reason rape is relatively rare and murder is non-existent among bonobos is that bonobo males get laid a lot.

Yeah. And this is partly because the females often aggressively pursue sex, partly because they know they won't get slut-shamed

and horny bonobo males also can have sex with each other. Remember, they are all bisexual. Yeah, pansexual. And this, you could call it erotic abundance.

Well, it just kind of cools them out, lowering their hormone levels of what we might call toxic masculinity. They don't got much of that.

And elevating their aptitude for love. Love. So yeah, I think to keep Me Too viable and loving. Yeah, loving and viable.

We need to factor male well-being into the female empowerment equation. But how? Well, it's complicated.

Okay. But I have two great guests tonight with whom to explore that question and other questions.

And they are an author and a prodom. And so first I'm going to talk with the author of a wonderful new book with a very long title. Brace yourself.

What we don't talk about when we talk about Me Too. Essays on sex authority and the mess of life.

And a writer and editor based in New York City, Joanne Wipajewski, is a former editor at The Nation magazine. And now on the editorial committee of The New Left Review,

co-editor with Jeffrey Sinclair of Killing Trayvon's and Anthology of American Violence. Written in 2014,

which was of course the early years of Black Lives Matter. So my guest Joanne is ahead of the curve and it just so happens that Jeffrey

is my editor at Counterpunch. And Joanne writes for Counterpunch as well as The Nation, as well as The New York Times,

as well as The Guardian and Harper's and more. But it was through Counterpunch that she found me.

Yeah. And one day, one night, she just roams up to Bonoboville in her Too Cool for School

1963 valiant convertible. Yes, indeed. Beautiful 1963 valiant convertible. And we spent a wonderful evening

hanging out by the car. There's Max, the captain, hatless, he's hatless, I'm like in sweats. And we just had such a good time

at the car and at the old Bonoboville bar. All right, Dr. Suzy, we have Joanne on the line as well. Okay. And we had a car side and bar side chat

drinking and chatting about sex and politics and Bonobos. And it was so wonderful. And now, here she is.

With the juice. With the juice. All right, hey, Joanne. Hey, Suzy, how are you?

I'm doing great. You look great. Oh, well, you too. I don't wear a mask, though. Well, you never wear a mask?

No, I wear masks inside. Well, yeah. But I don't wear masks, like when I just walk on the street,

I don't wear a mask. Okay. Well, I'm inside. I keep it far distance

and I don't go into too many places. No. But you have your mask. I don't have any mask to show.

I just have a basic mask. You know, the blue mask. I know it well. I have a few of those.

We have a community here, so we kind of work together and put on masks. And then I take off my mask to talk to you and tell you how excited I am to have you

and what a wonderful book this is. It's got a hell of a long title. What we don't talk about when we talk about me too,

essays on sex, authority, and the mess of life. And it kind of underlines how when we talk in sound bites, we miss the mess of life.

Yeah. So sometimes you need a long title. Yeah. I thought it was a pretty good title, actually.

I mean, the title essay, the title essay is one I wrote in 2018 about the actual me too phenomenon. And that what we don't talk about

is kind of a thread that runs through the whole book. And so really the title of the book could be sex, authority, and the mess of life. I mean, that's kind of in a way

the real title of the book. But the mess of life and what we don't talk about are, I think, the two main threads through all the essays.

Through all the essays. But we all know that me too is a catchy hashtag. So it's a good one to throw in there. I thought possibly,

but I'm sort of on the wrong side of the me too legion. Well, I don't know. I think you're on a good side.

You're encouraging the me too movement to be what I would call shorthand, more bonobo, or more understanding. Yes.

And if I may, it's just sort of summarized here, sort of summarized. The book explores that messiness investigating sex scandals and sex

panics over the last three decades from the Central Park Five to Harvey Weinstein from Abu Ghraib to Woody Allen.

And you've even got my old nemesis, Dr. Laura Schlesinger in there. Oh, yeah. As well as my mentor, Dr. Betty Dodson

is in there. So you've got my pros and my cons. And you've just got a whole mess of great information

and analysis and feeling. A lot of feeling. And you start the me too chapter

with a, yeah? I was going to say, I don't see how you can write about sex without feeling.

Oh, I don't know. I think a lot of people do. Oh, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a mistake.

It's a mistake. I agree. And I love your passion. And so I wanted to kind of start off. I mean, we've sort of started off.

But, you know, you start off your me too chapter with this passionate description of sex

between a boss and an intern. Hello me too. Yeah.

So it's me. Who's the boss? You the boss. I'm the boss. And I'm a very young boss.

Yeah. You know, I'm in my 20s and the intern

is in his 20s as well. And so we're at a party

and I've known him and we have these kind of nice chats and everything. He was absolutely

a beautiful boy. He looked like Greek Statuary. You know, the ass.

I mean, just perfect. Everything about his body. I mean, it just looked like an anatomy class or a sculpture class.

What about his mind? Well, you know, he wasn't shabby. He wasn't shabby. But I think he was

insecure because he was so beautiful. I think he thought people didn't take him seriously.

And so I never really thought he could be

attracted to me particularly because I never thought of myself as particularly attractive for anything.

Well, I build you as very sexy. Oh, well, thank you. Especially with the glasses. I'm just the rhinestone cowboy.

I wasn't cowgirl, rather. Bling, bling. I thought I should give you a little something.

Yeah, you should. And I appreciate that. So, he kissed me. We were at a party and we were walking back

and he kissed me on the street and, you know, it's New York and it was fall and it was lovely and he was a very good kisser.

And, you know, everyone should just kiss a lot, I think. Not right now. It's the Coronapocalypse.

Well, I mean, this is terrible, right? It's a terrible moment for kissing. But I mean, like, I'm hoping

that we will be able to kiss again. And strangers. And I think, you know, kissing strangers is a lovely thing.

Or near strangers. I mean, it puts you in the person's kind of orbit in a way.

I mean, you kind of understand something about them. You understand whether they're something about their sensitivity and their generosity,

I think, through their kisses. And he was a lovely kisser. And then the kissing went on, you know, and on.

And then, yes, we were on the bus. We were kissing in the bus and on the walk back to his place.

And then in the stairwell of his apartment. And I wasn't going to go to his apartment. But just in the stairwell, we were kissing away.

And then I said to him, well, of course you know this means I can't give you the job. And so I brought this

into that story because, into the story about me too, because all these things combined

except that the roles were reversed. I mean, I was the boss. He was the young intern.

He was looking for a job, as it turns out. I mean, you know, I was considering him for a job. And now we were kissing.

I felt, oh well, I can't now you know, it would be wrong. You know, I had some sense that it would be wrong.

And he was shocked by this. Shocked, why would it be wrong? And I kind of thought, well, actually I can't

tell you why. It just seemed like, I really didn't have a big power analysis. It just seemed like, you know, you probably shouldn't

be kissing the intern. And then you give him a job. It would seem like... And what year was this, approximately?

1982. Okay, so people weren't really talking much about sexual harassment

or... or certainly it wasn't like you, you know, if you had an affair with your professor yet

you... Well, I didn't have an affair with my professor. I just kissed my professor. Okay, I had one with mine.

But that's another story. And it was good? Yeah, I mean, I kind of think it's part of the learning experience.

You know, but I know I can't recommend that in the era that we're in now. But for me, it was

part of my learning experience. It was as good as, you know, Shakespeare, really. Uh-huh.

Actually, I should say Greek drama, because it was my Antigone professor that we were studying Antigone. So, uh, yeah, so

okay, so that was a very personal and revealing way to begin

the Me Too chapter, revealing of yourself and revealing of the reader and what they think of that, you know, and how

they regard it in... with the different types of characters that could be in those roles. Right, because it seemed to me

that if I was telling that story from the opposite way, if I was a man and the intern was a woman, automatically you would assume

a whole lot of things that you wouldn't necessarily assume um, with the boss being a

young woman. Right. So, let's talk about sex panic, shall we? Or moral panic, which you define

if I may quote some of it, a social eruption fan by the media and characterized by

alarm over innocence, stereotypically white women and children, uh, imperiled. The predator

is a lurking, mutable, social presence of menace against which the populace must be mobilized, moving along. Examples range

from the fever over white slavery in the early 1900s, homosexual

psychopaths in the 1950s to serial rages since the late 1960s against sex education,

gay sex rings, gay teachers, stranger danger, crime, porn, satanic,

ritual abuse in daycare, in kindergarten, and sexual abuse dug up from

repressed memories and AIDS predators and super predators and internet

predators and sex offenders as a separate category of human being. Okay?

Pedophile priests, of course, and, uh, epidemic campus rape, of course, sex figures as

a predator, natural, danger, emotion, swamps, reason,

monsters, abound, and protection demands any sacrifice,

including the suppression of opposing views. Wow.

You wrote that for twelve. Well, you wrote that very well. I did leave out a few parts, but it's amazing what

you pack into that kind of couple of paragraphs and what we're going through

and what we've been going through for the past twenty years, or maybe you could say thirty years since the sexual revolution

kinda got bought, I guess, by Wall Street. And since we kind of went into this

I guess sex panic. Yeah. It's a kind of never-ending

it's a kind of never-ending train, it just keeps going and it changes

dimension a little bit, but the features are the same. And so I wanted to there's a misconception

a lot of people say, well, a sex panic is only about things that aren't true. They don't exist.

Okay, we all agree now that the satanic panic that sent all these

daycare teachers to prison that was crazy.

Except now we've got QAnon saying that there's all kinds of child abuse going on at the highest levels

and I don't know. And as a result of that we have laws that are supposed to

protect and defend the children against traffickers, against this notion that prostitution is

rife with children is of course an engine for law and law enforcement

and the arrests of thousands and thousands of grown-ups grown-up sex workers. Many grown-up sex workers thanks to

no thanks to Cesta Foster and the shuttering of Backpage

and Craigslist shutting down. You have that in your book and of course we've kind of lived through that so we know all about that.

And we accept ads. And we accept ads too in our magazine right here. And we watch over you

and... Speak Easy Journal, we accept your ads. Yeah. And online.

But yeah, it was tragic that Backpage was basically indicted and that then Craigslist took it down

and there are so many sex workers that are at risk now or dying actually over not being able to

screen their customers like they used to. Right. There was just another... There was

an arrest of a guy who has an outfit in Texas. He has a bunch of he has a bunch of websites

that in North Texas that were used by sex workers and he was arrested

and he's got multiple charges now and he faces 25 years in jail. But it's all about there's, you know

the government is making a big thing about saying that this is the first big arrest, first big breakthrough of Cesta

and Foster and but he's not charged with sex trafficking he's charged with facilitating

prostitution really. And we'll see what happens with it.

It just happened a few days ago. I mean in June I believe. Oh wow. So

one thing that you describe you use a phrase from anthropologist Roger Lancaster called

Poison Solidarity Yes. Which is a very interesting phrase because we all love solidarity.

I was talking in my intro about bonobo female solidarity and how wonderful that is and how essential that is

to female empowerment. But it can be Poison Solidarity. I don't think the bonobos have that

but you know if they hang around humans enough Hitler did and Mussolini bring people together in fascism.

Sure it's such a brilliant phrase and Roger Lancaster is such a wonderful writer

and thinker and I don't know if you know his book Sex Panic in the Punitive State but it's a fantastic

book and he coined that phrase Poison Solidarity to

talk about a way in which people are bound together by negative energies

of revenge and the desire to stick it to the devil stick it to the demon

to find a common enemy and so Max is quite right. The monster. You know Hitler

Mussolini but lesser horrors of history have also been part of this

and we are we are constantly seeing examples of this

Poison Solidarity where people really aren't coming together to sort of

you know find a common kind of love but rather

to stick it to the bad guy and also very virtuous

to feel very virtuous in the process. Yes and one example that you use from history which makes it easier for us to see

sometimes is white America lynched some 4,000 black people mostly men

from 1877 to 1968 and maybe beyond there seems to be some lynchings going but in any case

what you're saying is it's impossible to think of sex and accusation is your quote and not think about race

and birth of a nation of course nationalized white panic which was very close to sex panic

and the idea that an aggrieved white populace has a right to commandeer justice

without a trial and it is mostly white women's accusations against black men

and you write I expect that progressives today presume that all these white women were lying and

well I think you're probably right I don't know if they were all lying I think that most of them were lying

almost all but maybe not all because life is messy but yeah mostly and then you say something to the effect of

so what does that mean about today's accusations well yeah I mean

if the concept was belief that if somebody made a claim

we must believe them we must believe the women and that was an iteration actually of believe the children

which was also the slogan during the satanic panic but believe the women really meant that

if someone is making an accusation the right thing to do the just thing to do the solid heuristic thing to do

really is just simply believe excuse me believe now that's undergone some renovation since

since Joe Biden's accuser Joe Biden's accusation and the same people who

were saying believe the women now try to really destroy excuse me terror read

and say oh well we didn't say believe all women we said believe the women but you know so all

right you look great thank you like to watch women drinking we have a fetish for that

I mean if I told you I had you had a boot I should have had more I don't know

something more interesting than water holy water but the point

I thought at that moment I mean before terror read and before this renovation and now we're not so certain whether we believe

everyone we only believe the people we like and we believe them because we hate the accused

if we like the accused well then it's a different story and that says to me that there's no principle there which is a very dangerous thing

but I brought up the lynching example in particular because I really

because it's everyone was believed

back then and it didn't matter actually whether it was true or not and so the awful thing

that strikes me or struck me at the time and still is that

you know if it's irrelevant if the outcome is going to be the same no matter what then it doesn't matter

if someone is telling the truth or not the end is death but what that means is

for the person who actually may have been violated who actually may have been telling

the truth well their their violation is irrelevant

because every violation is irrelevant because every violation must be true so therefore I mean every claim must be true so there's no way of knowing what's true

what's not true there's no judgment there's no and anyway the punishment is heinous

so I mean I think you know belief is not how we're supposed to operate in terms of thinking

about what's right and what's just and it's certainly not supposed to be how we operate in courts

you know there's supposed to be evidence now speaking of court you were there for the Harvey Weinstein trial in New York

yes I was what a travesty what a travesty I mean

if anyone has a lover or a friend

or a son or a brother who was convicted on these

assertions that were not supported by anything else and that were actually undermined

by years of in one case five years of emails

of saying can't wait to see you big guy when you coming back to LA

hi postcard from you know Italy

my father's dying I feel so bad I need a ride how are you

hey hey you know I love you you've done so much

for me etc we listened in the courtroom to endless

endless emails over years we were only a tiny portion of them in which they were

they were totally banal they were reporting on

what party she went to on what dress she wore on what movie she'd like to see they were

friendly, they were sad they were banal, they were everyday, they were totally everyday

so then we're supposed to think because she told us we needed to think and she told the jury

that all of that was very very elaborately constructed that none of those emails were

her real expression they were all put up she had kind of calculated very

carefully how she worded every single one because she was terrified that he would destroy her

so that's for five years she wrote and emails are at 1.30 in the morning terrified that the monster

would destroy her destroy her career destroy her life she's saying when are you coming to LA

she's 3,000 miles away from here when are you coming to LA these are the days I'm here et cetera et cetera

I mean you know I think but it brought something and then she talked to her

this was Jessica the man and she talked to her life coach and her psychic

and she told them that she had this in hand that her Hollywood friends didn't understand it but that he was

helping her he was going to help her the connection she was making because of him was important

wow she was her client she called him my client and that her friends

don't understand and her boyfriend doesn't understand but she knows the truth she has set the boundaries and the life coach

and the psychic were saying you go girl and but then she

she told the jury well that was all lies all of that was a lie every email I sent him was a lie everything I told everyone was a lie

I'm telling you the truth now and they believed her now at least they convicted well I mean it's complicated

because the prosecution didn't get exactly what they wanted from that trial I mean they didn't get the worst

charges but it's a death sentence he's got 25 years in jail he's very sick

the other accuser also there was nothing to support her claim and

you know there were also other emails and her diary and other things that cast out on what she was saying

and you have the story in the book and it's fascinating whatever you think of Harvey Weinstein you know it's

it shows that you know a jury certainly can be swayed by the mob by what's been in the media

by the picture painted of this person as a monster and maybe he is a monster

I don't know I've certainly met a lot of monsters in Hollywood and he might be and he might be

still we have to look at if we care about if we care about the law if we're going to

look at it as something of value in any way at all then we have to say okay there are rules of evidence

there are ways things should proceed there is presumption of innocence now I don't think Harvey Weinstein could get a fair trial

anywhere actually I mean he was convicted in the press and that was part of the problem

and that's part of sex panic sex panic is really a media panic and it makes it makes assertions

it says this happened it doesn't say and then you leave the story alone until the jury gets it

no no no it's every day every minute every medium and so I think it was very hard

I mean I think what they did was actually I mean I have no idea but it seems like they negotiated in some way because

they dropped the most extreme charges which demanded if they had accepted those would have demanded

that they do something that was completely insane they would have had to find that the state had proven

that he had raped a woman Annabella Sciorra 27 years ago but

the state can't bring a case against him for that because it's outside the statutes of limitations but so it

brought it in the back way and said well okay we'll throw her in after all she's a star right

I think we got frozen what is going on okay so I can't talk to her though okay

so interestingly in Joanne's book she also talks about a Harvard professor Ronald Sullivan

who was fired pretty much let go because he was on the Harvey Weinstein defense team and he tried to

say that everybody deserves a defense every defendant especially unpopular ones deserves a defense

and is not guilty until proven innocent right Max and that's what we're losing in this country yes we are

we lost it a long time ago but now it's just they've taken over and by the way I

never think it's the government I think it's the people that run the government you know the good guys that run the government and bad guys

that run the government so I mean I'm not a fan of Harvey Weinstein or a non-fan it's just

very alarming to me to see how he you know the jury pretty much seemed to have been listening to the media

both social media and mainstream more than than what was going on in the trial and in essence I mean

that whole trial thing to me a deal gone bad a bad business deal really

she wanted fame and fortune he had money and power hey sounds good you know

what do I have to give and she didn't get the fame and fortune I guess anyway I know less about that

than some other things I guess I'll talk about a different type of sex scandal which she

has in her book and she has many different types of sex scandals and this one was one that

went on in 2004 I believe it was and it was an offshoot of the

the war on Iraq what I call the rape of Iraq just to keep our sexual metaphors going and

then we had this phenomenon that I called Bush's POW porn which is

what went on at Abu Ghraib and I did this collage inspired

by this POW porn which I call theater of cruelty because that is really

what this was as a just very elaborate and crazy theater of cruelty

but it was extremely connected to the war itself to the bombing itself and of course Bush

he said he was disgusted although I think you know this is kind of probably what turns him on actually

I kind of think so that's why I put the religious imagery in with it too and you notice stick chainy has the sign of the devil

and anyway so Joanne has this great chapter on Abu Ghraib

and the trial of Lindy England who was a young woman here who was in a lot of the pictures

a lot of the the high mucky mucks weren't so upset about what they did so much as that they

took pictures of it but of course a lot of people like to take pictures and so she took pictures and they took pictures

and she was really just following orders I mean yeah maybe she should have said I won't do this

because this is beyond the pale but she's 21 and not exactly a rocket scientist but you know

this whole thing was blamed on people like Lindy England and

the high mucky mucks highest of whom would be Dick Cheney and Pussy Bush

George W anyway and I say Pussy but really Pussy is a compliment this guy in some ways was worse than Trump

he certainly bombed a lot of people although Trump is catching up by killing people through COVID but

Bush bombed the crap out of Iraq and Afghanistan and what did we get out of it nothing and we got a lot of

bad juju you know and killed a lot of people our people their people anyway

read this book for this amazing chapter and also check out drseasonblock.com

for this amazing collage yes and counter punch where I have my Bush's P.O.W. porn

and that was from an art exhibit yes at our gallery we had this art exhibit at our gallery in the art exhibit yes yes absolutely

so is is Joanne back there she is well I dealt with talking about Abu Ghraib

so we don't have to I just want to say one thing in case you didn't note it I mean and that's the I mean I suppose you must have

which is that that's the only thing that people were were charged with

they were only charged with sex related crimes they weren't they weren't charged with what they did for their work

they were charged with what they did on their off hours right and I've always said rape is a terrible thing but murder is worse

yeah a lot worse well they didn't murder anyone but the people who did murder people are just yeah they didn't

but they got punished for because their treatment was somewhat sexual you know maybe somebody got

off on it they said it was deviant these were not regular soldiers they were deviant

but they were asked by the interrogators to soften up these they weren't asked to do any of what they did

they weren't asked to do what they did but they were asked to soften them up to make them more pliable what they did

for their jobs was not what they were charged with so you're right completely

they were asked for instance to keep somebody awake to beat the cell bars

to make a lot of noise to you know subject them to sensory deprivation

but what they were charged with was what they did when they weren't at work

when military intelligence right now there's Linda England military intelligence wasn't telling them to do anything about these prisoners

these prisoners were common criminals these soldiers were just letting off steam

because these prisoners had rioted because the prison conditions were so bad and so they decided that they were going to have

fun with them and then the prosecutor said we don't torture for fun

okay well I still blame Bush no absolutely even if they were having fun

what I'm saying the distinction only is that none of this none of this

all of this could be could be you know denounced by the US government

because it wasn't their jobs what they did on their jobs which was far worse actually this was terrible because it was

humiliation but what they did on their jobs was actual torture

you know sensory deprivation well it's all torture to me really all these things and so

I just think that the people that belong in prison are mainly Bush and Cheney and you know

and that woman Gina Haspel you know that's now in charge of the CIA anyway before we go I want to ask you

two more quick questions one is did you yeah we got to go because we got cut off so anyway

Ron Jeremy is our friend he's been on the show many many times I've known him for 30 years now he's in prison

he's in jail in Twin Towers jail arrested on accusations of forcible rape

I don't know what kind of rape isn't forcible but anyway and some kinds of assault or unwanted

touching or groping quite a lot of charges 90 years I think 90 years

yeah so did you look him up? I did you know and

such a complicated story because it seems like there's Ron Jeremy

the person who's arrested and then there's Ron Jeremy the character

and it seems that Ron Jeremy from very much that I've read it seems that

he's being well he was accused in 2017 and there was a tremendous amount of pylon

back then sort of about his performance at these various at these various events

and now there are many more people who have come out saying me too

you know he hurt me too but what I find complicating is just

the relationship between between what was expected of him at

many of these conventions and what the fans expected of him for him to be

as I think he said legendarily crude loud mouth rival porn porn star and that's exactly what they got

you know when people wanted him to grab them or grope them or and he said to Rolling Stone

yes I am a groper I get paid to show up and touch people and they touch me so now he's accused of rape and I don't know

the details of these charges but I do find this

relationship between a person who's performing I mean because he that's how he that's how he defended himself

against all these other accusations as a person who's been performing versus and

everyone understands the performance and nobody intervenes everyone says well that's wrong so

you know it you know this better than I but in the Weinstein case too

everyone said oh that's that's Harvey and some people went along

with what Harvey what was the unspoken rule of

Hollywood you know you might get something if you and where is the line that you draw between

performance and not performance that sometimes they I find that's difficult you know am I on

or not am I performing when I go out and somebody sees me and they go Dr. Susie you know maybe I am kind of performing then

and I do Dr. Susie things so yeah I mean that's a factor there's a lot of factors you know there's sometimes he seems like

the Harvey Weinstein of porn but he's there in Twin Towers right now and

we just hope the best for him because he's our friend and that doesn't mean that we don't believe the women or that we

certainly we don't support rape or anything and he's never done anything like that here but yeah it just seems like

it's a pile on that's how it seems to everyone has you know we have to say over and over and over everyone

is presumed innocent everyone has a presumption of innocence and every accused deserves the benefit of the doubt and

so central so you know I don't know enough about the case but I do you know I do think that it's

rather amazing that that one of the people who was very instrumental in

calling him out in 2017 Ginger Banks she said couple years later she said oh I don't want to be

part of any intranet pile on but you know you start an intranet pile on and then you are kind of part of it

you know now and she says that she's Ron Jeremy's policeman

yes I found that that's interesting Max that she said she's Ron Jeremy's policeman and she is

and she wants citizens arrest she wants to become as famous as the female

Ron Jeremy in a way our friend that's remarkable don't you think to sort of

embrace the idea of the police at a time when we know that the police

are running wild and have been running wild for quite a long time but this is a certain kind of policing the amount of damage to people who are

you know innocent and maybe not but who the police nonetheless decide to

execute it's like a public execution I mean I think that when you have

lots of people you know people often say well there's so many if there's so many people making claims

it has to be true and you know I've followed other cases and other scandals

and no it's not it's not necessarily the case poison solidarity could be working it's magic

poison solidarity could be working let's not call it magic well it's evil magic it's that evil black

just evil magic it's working it's living up to its name it's living up to its name

it's working it's poison okay well we'll keep you posted we'll keep talking but we do have to go

my next question is actually a pro-dom one at a time yeah and I just wanted to ask you

how do you feel in terms of you know me too has one approach to naughty men and dominatrixes have another

I would love to hear maybe it's just the stiff pull on the chain

but I think the bonobos probably have some answers for us too they do and we talked about that earlier

we'll talk about that again I know you wanted to kind of end with James Baldwin oh

well there's a line that he said that I think is very important he talked about the habits

of thought that reinforce and sustain habits of power and I think

that everyone who wants to jump on a scandal or everyone who

is quick to make judgments ought to reflect on that

how do habits of thought reinforce and sustain habits of power and so certainly

wanting to be someone's policeman reinforce the habits of power I would say

the idea of accusation equals guilt reinforce the habits of power and so Baldwin said

we have to strive to do in our life separate ourselves from those habits of thought

and that means we have to be real humane human beings

we have to understand that life is complex people are strong and weak and they're brilliant

and stupid and sex is messy sex is messy life is messy and we have to sort it out

you know it's important to sort it out for ourselves but for ourselves and for each other

not for not for some other kind of purpose that really serves a repressive purpose

well thank you so much Joanne and once again the name of your wonderful book is what we don't talk

about when we talk about me too essays on sex authority and the mess of life

thank you so much and we'll have you back on the show I'd love to read

I'm sorry about the text it happens take care poison technology

right okay so moving right along from our author

to our femdom yes are we ready for our beautiful

amazing femdom oh I see her beautiful sensual sadistic

mistress Courtney hello good morning how are we

you're zooming in to join us all the way from London is it I am I'm in London

you're in London and you look like you're in a London dungeon I am this is my dungeon we can have a little look around

very nice red brick and mirrors and chairs I have somebody here I have my sleigh

human furniture yeah you know he's very good he's quite comfortable actually he does look very comfortable

and you look beautiful just saying on top of him I love your

leather or is that latex coat I chose leather today leather, animal

well everybody wears latex I like to be a little different leather is very classic

for a dawn before there was latex there was leather this is the thing it's classic

and it's traditional and you seem so classic and traditional in a way

and yet so kinky in a big way so what made a nice classical traditional gal like you get into kink

in such a high class way my goodness I think I have

I've always had a thing for the clothes sexy clothes, beautiful shoes and I've always liked getting my own way

and I'm a bit of a control freak as well funnily enough and I was actually

doing online work I was coming and I came across I had a few clients who would ask me to dominate them

and it came really easily to me and I remember it was about 7 years ago

and I was doing some work with Spearmint Rhino in London and they said to me would I come and walk around

and little Spearmint Rhino Bikini at Erotica which turned out to be a BDSM event

and I spent the whole weekend there I was only booked for one day and I just floated around and I was

in my absolute element and I just loved it I felt at home well you are

beautiful enough to be a model but it seems as though you like the challenge and you like getting your way

models usually are bossed around but you do the bossing I do indeed and

I like having a following a line of men behind me yes you should you definitely deserve that

well I don't know a lot of people can't handle it they have people walking behind them and they start running

because they are afraid they are being chased yeah you have to be very sure of yourself

to walk in the head of the line and you are somehow have you always been sure of yourself or did you have to develop that

I think before I started this I sort of I didn't have a path in life

I sort of flitted from one thing to another I was going to become a teaching assistant I was going to work in recruitment

I was going to be an events manager there were loads of different things and then I went for a photo shoot

at a dungeon and the owner of the dungeon said would you like to come and work at the dungeon

I thought oh well this sounds like fun I've been doing web camming I've been doing a little bit of domination so

let me try it and I thought this could be a nice little weekend job and

it just absolutely exploded for me alright so what are your specialties

well I never I didn't want to specialize in one particular area because I

I feel that an activity can be fun depending on who you're doing it with okay

what would you like to do with your slave there what could you do so my slave here today he's very diverse

he kind of does what I tell him to but we're going to do a little whipping with him maybe some trampling and you know when we're done with him

we can just throw him in the cage and throw him away wow he's a throwaway slave he's just here to be used

and then tossed aside I might give him a hug if he's lucky so we were talking earlier about the me too movement

are you into the me too movement or do you you are and I would say that both

femdoms and me too people are into kind of punishing naughty males

I mean naughty being a general word or you know really bad males or just

just mildly disobedient I mean the range the full range and you do it

I mean you might be in the me too movement but as a dom you punish males very differently than the me too movement punishes males

but I guess I'm just wondering what is your sort of method for figuring out

how to punish males and are you really punishing them for being bad or are you just doing it because that's what they're

paying for well I I feel that I have two sides to what I do

I have the side of me that offers professional sessions so I am ultimately a service provider

somebody emails me they say mistress I'm into strap on and I like a little bit of caning and I plan a session based around those

activities to provide a safe place for somebody to come and lose themselves in their ideal fantasy

I then have the other part where I go and I have I have some personal slaves and I go and I fill

and when I'm filming I'm doing the things that I want to do so for example I go to the other world kingdom in Prague

and I sometimes go up to a week and I'm fully immersed in the fendom lifestyle

so I'm not providing sessions I'm not offering a service I am living the lifestyle and it's a fantastic and wonderful

feeling but they're both very different right so when I'm doing more lifestyle things it is absolutely all about

me what I want to do high protocol if you died of fear to what I'm setting you there will be consequences

sessions are planned and produced to appeal to somebody's desires if that makes sense

it makes total sense and you know I can I can see it I mean you are a service provider when you're doing sessions

and you're as long as it's not something that you really dislike you'll work out how to do it in a way you like it because that's what the

client's paying for but when you're doing videos you do what you like and I guess what you're kind of good at

what you feel comfortable with does any of it like turn you on to the point that you either have an orgasm there or maybe later

thinking about it absolutely you know it's I get up on the power and the control

and you know feeling desired because one of my my I personally I don't session make it

because you know they don't deserve that so for me that's such a turn

on when I have somebody who's kneeling in front of me and I can see they're excited their cock is hard you know they desire me

what we're doing the energy that flows back and forth between two beings is phenomenal and you can I come out of a session

or filming or a playtime just feeling so exhilarated and you know the adrenaline is such a high

and so back for me is a huge turn on great and I'm lucky I have somebody who I have at

home who I can kind of come in and we can we can sort those really is that a husband

or a wife or a special my boyfriend boyfriend okay that sounds

so sweet cool is he jealous he's not jealous of what you do

that you whack other men in the balls or the butt or whatever he loves it he's actually holding the camera at the moment he gets turned

on by it he's holding the camera yeah he is he's holding the camera

thank you for sharing the beautiful mistress Courtney with us do you play BDSM games with him or you have

pretty vanilla sex not really it's more neutral you know we're kinky and we like to try

different things bits of equipment you know if I get a new piece of equipment and here we'll come and try but I have no interest in having a partner who I have

to discipline or you know boss around so this is your job and your hobby you could say or your art I would say

your art I think you're an artist in a way a performance artist and I've seen

your videos we're going to show some of one of your videos soon but I also was you know I just feel like

we've been talking about Me Too and I feel the Me Too movement can learn a lot from the bonobo apes and I also

feel the Me Too movement can learn a lot from dominatrixes I think that the Me Too movement can

not exactly do what you do not necessarily wear leather and whack people but there's a certain dynamic of

maintaining power and yet you know keeping your slave happy absolutely and it's finding that

right balance and it's very important it's sometimes tricky to do especially when you don't know somebody very well and I think that's

where problems can arise always you know whether we're talking about BDSM or the rest of life

the problems arise when you don't know people but on the other hand not knowing people and this is a bonobo thing is exciting

the first time is exciting so you know it's not like we want to do away with that although nowadays in the corona apocalypse

it's probably best to just play with people you know very well so speaking of which can we see you whack

your slave there your furniture are you asleep or awake slave let's

wake him up shall we come on stand up for me come over here come on

I'm just going to it's very warm now yes it is here too hot

so let's just tie him up so he doesn't run away from me you're looking good you could show this part on Facebook

if you want I think yes so we'll just do something light you know

we can start off lightly and he's got such lovely white skin this is one of the things I love about CP

is being able to change the color of somebody's skin bright singing red hmm

very exhilarating so we'll just start whack whack whack just warm up that skin a little bit

then whoa she's thrashing him oh yeah

definitely giving him some slogging and then a little special care yeah you know

whatever you whack I notice you do give wonderful aftercare or in between

it is it's ideally the mixture of pleasure and pain is what's exhilarating

exactly the mixture of pleasure and pain and knowing the balance of how to how much pain

to deliver and how much pleasure to allow is the skill of being a great dominatrix

professionally or for fun and I think that you know a lot of people just associate domination with pain

excruciating pain and people rolling around on the floor and screaming and you know ultimately the reason

one of the reasons that we engage in play is because we're turned on we're excited we want to feel horny we want to

be aroused that's one of the reasons we do it yes yes and uh yeah

I mean you in a way you can't appreciate pleasure if you've never had pain absolutely

so but it's it's good for it to be consensual pain in fact it's necessary for it to be consensual pain nobody

likes to be sucker punched but a lot of people do like to be spanked and you know of course

given pain in a consensual way although once they trust you well enough you can surprise them

well this is a thing and it's about going on a journey and building a relationship with somebody and you know even somebody that you meet for the first time

I always start out slowly we have to build trust lots of eye contact lots of touching you know you have to feel that trust

between two people before you can fully let yourself go yes by the way your boyfriend

cameraman is doing a great job you look insanely beautiful in that corset miniskirt uh yeah wow

bare legs and high heels and a little slave boy you know he's standing there tied up in his arms

I think he's falling asleep better wake him up yep wake him up

oh yeah he looks like he's waking up a bit and then he moves his back muscles he's sort of so excited

you like that twitching that's twitching oh yeah yeah you do but I think

spanking is a fabulous kind of former play because it yes impact play it shows excitement

yes I did a fun spanking show last week spanking sunshine

yes I saw that I was very surprised to see sunshine get inspired well you know we do all kinds of things

here especially you know I mean we have such great guests tonight I'm just really giving it to my guests but sometimes we have fun here

and I hope you come visit us when you come to LA which will I imagine be after the drone apocalypse

and we'd love to to have you you know visit with us right? I would love to

I had intended to come this year and do a little American tour and I wanted to come to Domcon

I was going to be the mistress of ceremonies but I don't think they're going to I'm going to be the mistress of ceremonies at the next Domcon

they're only online online school yeah definitely

but yeah people can't gather unless they're like crazy and they want to get COVID at a COVID party

which is what people are doing it's just crazy but in any case you are fantastic

you're very eloquent in the way you speak about your specialties and just damn gorgeous

thank you so we're going to try for you I didn't think my onesie would be very fitting

no you look great what is that corset? is that also leather? this is leather

I think I have no idea where it's from I'm very lucky my slaves send me lots of lots of outfits

nice where can slaves send outfits they should contact you through your twitter or your instagram

absolutely and I'm happy to provide options you know a lot of my leather stuff comes from leather erotics I live into my shoes I'm wearing castor days

today simply because of the blade heel look at those legs they're evil

yes I like those a lot I have a bit of a shoe fetish I'm going to be honest

I'm wearing red bottoms right now oh let me have a look oh they are gorgeous

peep toe red bottoms I like the gorgeous shoe too yeah I think shoes are an important part of themdom

your birthday send shoes it's my birthday in a couple of weeks I know I'm definitely getting some shoes

for the birthday let me let him down before he falls over oh my goodness you're so considerate

you know here we are talking about shoes and you think of your slaves welfare very good alright

mistress Courtney you are sensational size 3 right of the shoe yeah

I saw that you are just so petite and powerful yes can we see your feet can you show us a foot

sure we can look at my feet yeah let's have a look at those feet oh look at those

pretty pedicured toes just beautiful it might be a little dirty well there's people with fetish for that

you know I know I need somebody to come and clean my feet I think you'd get a lot of takers I do

made some all nice and sweaty in the heels and then have somebody come and lick the sweat from in between my toes

I love having my toes sucked yes I can imagine you have a togasm from having your toes sucked

it's amazing if it's done right you know tea of course you don't want a nervous toesucker he's got to have

a sense of value alright well thank you so much for joining us we'd love to have you back via zoom as well as come to

the studio sunshine's excited she's been talking to you for a while there she is

wait can we see sunshine there it whoops okay and yeah we think

you're great okay mistress Courtney of London and I will host you hey listen to the doctor

or watch the doctor Susan block show yeah you should say that just say everybody we need to watch the doctor Susan block show

beautiful thank you and we're almost out of time I think captain max is there anything

you wanted to add to the mix I need at least another hour and a half

you know because it's very deep it's all deep by the way we should have told her

that she can advertise her services oh well we're telling her now in Bonoboville and in our next magazine

she just said why thank you so she's still hanging around oh hi she's gone now

but she's in and out our tech department's bringing her in she's beautiful alright

do I have to end when I usually have to end am I ending we have three minutes and we have the video

but first I want to credit my Bonobo necklace which is from

the Bonobo conservation initiative my run by my old friend Sally Cox and this necklace

was given to me by my wonderful client Robert and I just want to also thank

the Bonobo project for my I Bonobo U Arm Band and the Bonobo project is of course

run by Ashley Stone and I want to thank Lola Bonobo for most of our

Bonobo images that we've been showing tonight Claudine André Vanessa Woods

and Dr. Brian Hare I want everybody please you've been hearing about Bonobos donate to one of these organizations

Bonobo conservation initiative the Bonobo project and Lola Ya Bonobo and by the way

Bonobos are susceptible to the coronavirus they can get it too so we need to help them

to stay in quarantine because that's what they're doing over at Lola Ya Bonobo we want to show the video

before we go we're going to show a fantastic little promo video of

Mistress Courtney she's beautiful the woman she kneel

right here she's got 1, 2, 3 sleeves in there let's get you around

so you stick your tongue to the backs so beautiful

and here she still is, alright that's so great and by the way all you who are watching on facebook you weren't allowed to see that

but you can see it on DrSusanBlock.com okay so

yeah I think we have to go so I want to thank all my fabulous guests and crew

Joanne Wipidjuski Mistress Courtney thank you Sunshine thank you Captain Max

and thank you all who are watching us right now in our bedside chat of the corona

apocalypse inspired by FDR's old fireside chats we try to help you to get

through the tough times with a little warmth and well a little sex and I don't think FDR

gave you much sex although I don't know some women found him sexy so maybe he did so in any way make like bonobos

not baboons female empowerment male well-being and of course

we didn't talk about it tonight but peace through pleasure that's the most important in a way bonobos have never been seen killing each other

in the wild or captivity and they make peace through sexual erotic pleasure and food

they also share food they share a lot of things they're the sharers and we need to learn how to share in our society

so make like bonobos not baboons make love not war make love to someone

you love tonight even if that's someone is you I love you my day job is director

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