Beyond Taboo Interview with Kay Taylor Parker

Full transcript of Beyond Taboo Interview with Kay Taylor Parker on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

I need to talk with someone about something you can't talk about with anyone else. You can talk to us. I'm Dr. Susan Block, your mistress of the airwaves, but my day job is director of the Dr. Susan Block Institute for the Erotic Arts and Sciences, specializing in sex therapy

over the phone. Any time you need to talk, whether you need serious psychotherapy or a hot phone sex experience or a combination, my world-renowned telephone sex therapists are just a phone call away.

Totally private, absolutely confidential. We listen, talk with you, advise you, role play for you, fantasize with you, no fantasy is too taboo, and help you with anything from impotence to exhibitionism, fears to desires, fetishes to marriages.

For more information, call us at 213-291-9497. That's 213-291-9497 any time you need to talk. You're listening to Radio Susie One on the World Wide Web, and now here she is, Dr. Susan Block. Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists,

lawyers and connoisseurs, all you children of sex. And we are all children of sex. Yeah, you know, we may or may not be children of Jesus, God, Adonai, Allah, Buddha, Brahma, Krishna, or the great starship in the sky.

We don't know, it's all possible, but we do know, scientifically and psychically, we are all children of sex with a capital X. Can I hear an amen? Amen.

Can I hear an A-women? A-women. All right, we are broadcasting this show, the Dr. Susan Block show, the Dr. Susan, yes, right. That's me, the Dr. Susan Block show, and I am your love doctor, your irreverent Dr. Susan Block,

and your pleasure preacher, and I do try to practice what I preach. And I'm broadcasting live from the new Bonoboville. We just moved here a little while ago, and we're broadcasting on Radio Susie One. Live from LAX, you can just fly right in and we'll meet you here on the airwaves.

And tonight, in my little studio, I am so honored and so delighted to have a great lady that I have admired for a long time here in the studio with me. Her name is Kay Parker, and I'm sure that a lot of you know her in a way. You're going to get to know her in other ways tonight. But I'm so happy to have you here, Kay.

Hi. Hi. So nice to be here. Nice to have you and get close to that microphone.

Yes, that's right. You know how to get close to phallic objects when you are. I do. Very good. Very good. So we can hear you. We have to hear because this is radio. We're doing a little radio show tonight. We often do these big wild TV shows,

but tonight I want to have a very intimate conversation with one of my favorite ladies that I've never met until tonight, Kay Parker. So I also have a young man next to us, between us, who introduced us. He's the go-between.

I mean, we met on the phone and through email, through the interwebs, but it took Dave Bertolino to bring you over here. Yes, you're here. And he drove us here. Thank you, Dave.

You're welcome. That's right. Thank you, Dave. All right. Where's your limo driver cap?

I have it in the car. Okay, because we could do a lady in the limo driver. Nice. Yes. So Dave brought you here partly because, I mean, I'm sure there's multiple reasons as

there always are, but we're both going to be part of this Hollywood show. Yes. And this is very exciting. Legends of Adult Cinema is going to feature you as part of this Hollywood show,

which is going to be January 3rd through 5th at the Lowe's Hollywood Hotel. Yes. Do we want to know anything more about that before we move on to... 82 celebrities on the 4th and 5th, Saturday and Sunday.

And we're thrilled to have a section called the Legends of Adult Cinema. And it's the first time this show in 33 years has done that. And so it's going to be fun. So the show is 33 years old.

Yes. And this is the first time they're going to have adult, the adult section. Yes. Wow, the blue movies.

Wow. Are people going to have to have a special stamp and stuff? As long as they're over the age. Right.

And we've added Nina Hartley, Veronica Hart. Great. Just yesterday we added Jenna Jamison. Oh, right.

Sake is on board. And of course she has a book. Yes. She's on a book tour.

Sugar. And Richard Pacheco has an abridged short book out... An abridged short book. A short...

Yes, hindsight. We had Richard Pacheco, aka Howie Gordon, a mutual friend of ours on the show last week. And you're telling me this is only half and it's like 800 pages.

Anyway, whatever. So it's a great book though, however long it is. It doesn't matter. That's right.

You know, when a book is good, it doesn't matter. You want more. Yeah. You keep wanting more and more.

Yeah. So... What's wonderful about it, if I might just give it a little plug because he is a friend of mine.

And you play a strong part in it. Well, it was a nice part. I was happy to see that. But the wonderful thing about Howie is,

I don't think you expect it from a male X-rated film star. Some of the... He's very sensitive and it was almost like reading... Some of the parts where he is actually going through his own

changes about being there reminded me of thoughts and emotions I had when I was there. So it surprised me in a sense. But that's who he is.

He's very sensitive. Well, yes. And that's one reason that he was many of the Lady porn stars favorite leading man.

Yes, definitely. And of course, you were a favorite of many, many. And we should say that, of course, most of you who are listening, watching, if you can see it on webcam,

you know Kay Parker from this period of time in her life when she was a great star of the adult screen. And the movie that made you famous, let's say, put you on the map is a very intense movie.

And it's actually a series and it's called Taboo. And I'm sure that a lot of people that are tuning in right now are big fans of Taboo. And it was only a small part of your life,

but such a big effect it had on so many people. And still to this day. Oh, yes. That's the one movie that people seem to relate to,

respond to, talk about when they send me emails. It's it's crazy. It's crazy. Well, in more ways than one.

Yes. I mean, it taps into a certain craziness that we can all kind of relate to. We could all we've all got a mom.

You know, we could all go over the edge and many have children, not everyone does. But you know, it's all something it's so basic, such a basic, basic thing.

But before we get too deeply into that basicness, I just want to say that you have a wonderful book that I don't have a copy of, but I do have this this kind of cover.

And the book is like $9,000 on Amazon. I'd love to be getting that for him. Somebody is selling it. Wait, I think it's like $2,700.

Yes, on Amazon. Well, well worth it. Well worth it. I think so.

Yeah. But I think you should, you know, come out with a cheaper version, you know. But anyway, you will.

I will reprint. I will. I will. But meanwhile,

meanwhile, there's a text version and an audio version on my website. Okay. So it's available.

You can get it an e-book. Yes. Well, yes. Yes.

You can get a text version on the website. And audio. And I can't hear on my headsets, by the way. Okay.

Did you, you guys, she can't hear on her headsets. I can hear you on my headsets, but not me or actually Kay. They're going to fix it.

So. I just want to say something. I bet nobody in this room knows. Okay.

You know who else was in that series? Oh. A friend of mine, my wife. She was in taboo number one.

I was saving that news. No, I wasn't in taboo number one. I'm in taboo number four. Number four.

Which I wasn't in. No. Well, there's shots of flashbacks. But I played a non-sex role.

Dr. Stella Sidney. I see. I interview. I actually interview Jamie Gillis.

He had to interrupt to do that. I was about to talk about your book. But anyway, we'll get back to my part. Because it's really a tiny little part.

But somehow it's part of my connection to you. It is part of that. Okay. You know, for sure.

Yeah, yeah. Because I'm, it's crazy, in a way, how I got to be in that movie. Right.

You know, as a talk show host, interviewing Jamie Gillis about his book. About having sex with his daughters. No.

It was actually about incest. But he hadn't had sex with his daughter yet. But he was going to. These are themes that are just not even dealt with anymore, really.

And I know people are listening. And some people are going, yeah, they're talking about it. Great.

And some people are going, oh my God. Isn't there a law against this? Yeah. You know.

Yeah. So, but back to your book for just a moment. Actually for a few moments. This is a beautiful book.

It's called Taboo. Wonder why. Sacred Don't Touch. It has different meanings.

Yes. Sacred Don't Touch. By Kay Taylor Parker. And, you know, your stage name for the adult film industry

is Kay Parker. Your name. For my real name. And my real name is Kay Taylor.

Your real name is Kay Taylor. And so Kay Taylor Parker is kind of the combination. Yeah. I integrated at a certain point

because there would seem to be so much more emphasis on the Parker. And I thought, well, I kind of like how Taylor Parker sounds. So Taboo, sacred.

Don't touch. Is an autobiographical journey spanning 6,000 years of Kay Parker's. I can't say life. Lives.

Lives. Existences. Yeah. Right.

Right. And you do tell the story of this life quite well, including the story of your early years. In what you call the sad gray world of post-World War II England.

And this is your mother. I'm showing a picture now of your mom. My mom. Yes.

Already looking like an actress. Very, very dramatic. Really? Yeah.

It's kind of a dramatic baby. Yeah. Very dramatic. And this is your sister.

My sister. Yes. Yes. So there you are in post-World War II England.

So tell us a little bit about what it was like growing up there as a star child and as a soon-to-be porn icon, even though you had no idea of any of this at the time. Well, I think, you know, I should start by saying that I don't really remember anything before the age of four.

And also just to perhaps give a little definition of star being, what a star being is. A star being is a soul, essentially, who has had multiple lifetimes or other existences before this life. There are a lot of us on the planet at this time and we agreed to be here to kind of hold

a balance. So not everybody gets to be a star being. Not everybody is a star being. No, no, no.

Some people just have one life. It's some, well, I think most people have multiple lifetimes, but it's kind of complicated and then it would take two hours to kind of explain the whole thing. But there are many, many, many individuals who are aware.

The sensitive ones, we'll call them that, who have had other experiences before this lifetime. And those are what I refer to as star beings. And you say in your book, you are one of the chosen.

You heard this voice in your head. And I think whether you understand star being or not, if you've seen this movie Taboo, you could agree that this woman, Kay Parker, Kay Taylor, is one of the chosen. So what was that voice?

Where did that voice come from? I didn't know what it was or where it came from until many, many, many years later when I was, I love your straw. Oh, thank you so much.

Not exactly porn star size. It's beautiful. That's wonderful. But so many, many years later when I was really

firmly ensconced on my spiritual journey, I realized that it was actually me talking to me or the God me talking to me saying, you chose to be here now. You chose to come in. You chose to be here and have this experience.

And as such, you're important and what you do and who you are is important. You came to play a part, not just a part in the movie, but to bring a message. Yes. To bring a message.

And you needed to hear that message because I think it was kind of tough for you in some ways. You had asthma, you know. Many star beings do actually.

There is a little book that appeared years and years ago called Starborn and it was a research project done by a guy by the name of Brad Steiger about people who had this sense that they'd been here before, that they'd had multiple existences. And he was just researching and it turned out that many of these individuals actually did have

asthma. They experienced asthma and lung issues and many other. I had asthma when I was a kid. Well, hello star being twinkle, twinkle, twinkle, twinkle.

I did. I don't have it anymore. Yeah. Well, we grow out of it.

But yeah, well, I had to have an operation actually, but that's another show. So back to you. I mean, other than these wonderful voices in your head, you also escaped from the dreariness of post-World War II England through the movies.

And one of your favorites, you say, is Flash Gordon, who was a Yalee, my alma mater too, as Dave knows from last week's Pannies. Remember the Yalee? Yes.

You want some, right. But Flash Gordon was a Yalee who traveled around outer space, actually. I don't know if you knew he was a Yalee. He went to Yale, university, yes.

Oh, nobody didn't know that. Oh, yes. That's part of his background. Oh, yes.

And he was a polo player. He was a polo player who was one of the chosen. Basically, somebody snatched him up and started taking him around, having adventures in outer space.

But, you know, got to start somewhere. So he started at my alma mater. So you love Flash Gordon and that was, I guess. Well, I used to go to Saturday morning matinees for kids.

And it was on one occasion when we were watching Flash Gordon, that I had an OBE or out-of-body experience. Yeah. Wow.

And I was just, like, not in my seat anymore. I was flying around the movie theater. I was like, yeah. So you describe a few of those in your book.

Where you just kind of leave your body. And it's a little disconcerting. Yeah. You're watching it.

But it's kind of like getting outside of yourself. Well, it's kind of fun. You get to feel like flying in a way. It can be.

I mean, if you know what it is, and there are those that practice it frequently in adulthood, then they're usually people who are on a spiritual journey. And there's a reason that they want to go out of body.

They want to go traveling in the universe. So this was something that happened just very spontaneously. And most of the times that it happened, it was very spontaneous. Now some people think they're having out-of-body experience

when they're on certain drugs. Right. And maybe they are. Maybe they are.

Yeah. And speaking of drugs, the drug and sex revolution sort of swept you up at a certain point and took you, let's say, you had a lot of detours,

but eventually you landed in California. I did. Yeah. What a journey getting here.

Yeah. Yeah. But before you got here and just got swept up in the whole sexual revolution part of which was making movies.

Before that, you had some interesting experiences that I just want to touch on in your youth or your childhood, I guess, that were sexual that you described in the book and that may have had an influence.

And one of them you call very sweetly, Pair. Penis du Pair. Penis du Pair. Yes.

I don't know why I did that, but Penis du Pair, the penis of my father. Yes. And it was an event which I think was profoundly pivotal in my childhood

where one evening or one night I woke up thinking that some stranger was in my room strangling me. And what had happened was my arm had just gone to sleep and was across my throat.

You know, we all experienced that from time to time. Yeah. Doesn't feel like your own arm. It doesn't. It felt like a lead weight. And so I was scared to death and I screamed out

and my father came racing into the room. But at this moment, I think we should focus the camera on Kay. Sure.

Just because we don't want anyone to think you're her father. Okay. All right. And behind you, by the way, is a beautiful painting

that was donated to us last week by Amber Chase. But anyway, back to Kay. So my father came running into the room and it was perhaps the most tender moment I ever experienced with him

because he was a man who had had a lot of war experiences and he had post-traumatic stress syndrome. And the family kind of suffered a lot from that. And he went away a lot.

And he went away a lot. And so, but he came running in. He answered my call and stroked my head and made me feel better. And I realized there wasn't anybody else in the room.

But then all of a sudden, I realized that there was something else present, very present, that I had never seen before. And it was his penis. It was his, he was naked.

He just ran into the room out of the bed. He was kind of sleeps naked in bed. So, you know. And it was perfectly natural.

And yet perfectly natural, highly significant. Because in that moment, I the child and one of my teachers, earlier teachers explained this to me that because a child does not know the difference between what's what's right or wrong in terms of, you know, sexual energy.

It's like, you just, when you sense something like this, it was it was emanating this energy and I wanted it. I wanted it because that that represented his love to me, because in that moment they represented love.

But then it was snatched away when he realized he was naked. It was like, you know, the shame, the shame came in and rushed out of the room. And that was that. Yes.

So highly significant. One of those, what I call milestones in, in, in my history. Yes. And you call it kind of this transference of shame.

Yes. Yes. Exactly. And of course these taboo movies that are about the incest taboo and are so like lurid

and deal with it in such a, in your face way, I mean, which is wonderful. But most people don't deal with the, most people, you know, keep this under wraps. Under wraps. As it should be.

I guess. Yes. It should be. Yes.

But it's there. It's there. It's definitely there. And what is the right way to deal with it?

It's so challenging for any parent. I mean, should your father have just like hung out with you and not covered himself? Or should he have covered himself? Or should he have left like he did?

Who knows? Who knows? Who knows. But he did what he did and, and so there is this little message of shame.

Yes. That is transferred. Yes. Now there's another story that you tell.

I kind of sympathized with your father because, you know, I don't know. Hanging out with your daughter naked. It's a little bit much. Yeah.

But with your mother, she walked in on you when you were masturbating, which is a typical thing that mothers do. All the time. Can you tell that story?

Yes. I don't even remember exactly what age I was, but I was experiencing the awakening, you know, in my private parts and, and as little girls who want to do, to start examining and, and checking in out.

And so there I am sitting in the living room in front of the fire, just examining my parts. And long before our bodies ourselves, but it's what we do. Right.

And she walked in and I can still hear her to this day. He's like, you know, it's that the intake of breath. First of all, the shame breath, you know, what are you doing? Don't you ever let me catch you doing that again?

And don't you ever let a man touch you there? So that's the impotence. Don't you ever let a man touch you there? Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah. Well, that was just. You can't touch and he can't touch. And whoa, there's not much. It's a knee jerk reaction.

Yeah. I'm sure she, you know, in retrospect, she probably would have said, well, that was kind of a stupid thing to say. But, but that's what she said in the moment.

Well, we certainly forgive her. We certainly do. Because all the things that you've had happen to you have made you who you are. But we don't recommend that parents do that.

And in fact, you tell another story in your book about a young mother who you spoke to later and tell that story. Somebody I didn't know, but we just, we were just having a conversation. And I don't know how it came up, but we started to talk about the subject.

And she said, I have a small daughter who was at that time about the same age as I was when I first started my exploration. And she said, I walked in and discovered her exploring her little parts. And I said, what did you do?

And she said, I sat down with her and in the best way I could did it together and explain certain things to her. And I said, oh my God, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for, for sparing this child a life, a lifelong, you know, sense of shame. Sense of shame. Yeah. Although it could have come in from other directions,

but at least not from that moment. In that moment. That moment the mother is validating. She is saying this is a totally normal, natural thing to happen.

And here, let me help you. Let me guide you. Let me, let me be wise about this. Which I can't recommend, you know, for parents to guide

because it's the climate is, is just not very accepting of child sexuality. But anyway, it's certainly good to validate. Yeah, but in terms of a little girl who's discovering that she has some parts that are feeling kind of good,

I remember once being with my family in England. And, and my, my then young, I don't know, six, seven year old niece was kind of wriggling and around on her chair a lot. And I looked over to her mother and said, what's she doing?

And then she said, oh, you know, it's that time. She's starting to, you know, she was sort of mouthing this, this, she's starting to experience, you know, who she is and the fact that she has some very sensitive parts.

And I said, oh, cool. Okay. And nobody was shaming her. Nobody was really even doing anything about it. It was just, they were, they were a total acceptance.

And, and I was so impressed with my family at that point that they were, that they were wise enough, intelligent enough just to, just to say, okay, that's what she's doing. You know, they, they weren't shaming her.

They weren't shaming her or judging her. I got a mixed message myself. But, you know, that's what makes me who I am. My mother, when she discovered me playing with myself,

I think it was even at the dinner table. She said, first of all, you don't do that at the dinner table. You do that in your room. And so I did pick up some shame that I can't do this in public, this fun thing.

But I, I could do it. At least I could do it somewhere. And then she said, and also your hands are dirty and it's clean down there. So you wash your hands before, and she was probably right,

that my hands probably had food all over them. That's smart. So, you know, I, I kind of got a good message, I think, from my mom. I think it was a good message.

Thanks, mom. Yes. But at the same time, you know, shame is, is transferred to us by virtue of just living in human civilization.

You know, where we, we, we kind of have these morays that, that, you know, if your parents don't teach you that you don't do it at the dinner table, then you're going to get into trouble. So then you have to kind of learn some level of shame.

And, and that's, that's why taboo is so compelling because of all that shame that we feel as a culture. There's another part of the shame, though, that I always like to talk about. And because it's, it's, it's another of the dynamics.

And that is that when shame is passed on, there's somehow it's, it's a strange dynamic, but I, I, I discovered over and over again where the person will make a, I call it a psychic promise to the parent that they're accepting the shame from.

And that promise is a promise that kind of like ties them to a certain behavior. And, and that's the problem right there. It's like trying to be good for mommy or daddy. Yes.

That's a promise. Yes. Yeah. Like a promise to God.

It's yeah. Yeah. And it stays there with them until they realize that, okay, you can break this contract now.

You don't have to carry this any longer. Yeah. And even when you do realize it, it keeps coming back and you have to keep reminding yourself that, you know, you don't have these

like sort of old contracts based on shame. Yeah. So, okay. So acting entered your life.

I mean, you were always kind of an actress. Your dad said K, our K was always acting it up, but it started with tantrums. Then it became asthma and then it became actual acting in sort of Hollywood, a part of Hollywood called the porno industry.

Yeah. Well, I think the acting it up was, was his way of, of saying that I was a handful or something that I was dramatic, but I was really frustrated. You know, it was like I had no, no creative stimulus.

But isn't that often the impetus behind acting? Absolutely. Behind actors and actresses of all kinds. Absolutely.

Whether in porn or in so-called mainstream. 100%. It's like I got to prove something. I got to get my voice heard.

I want to be seen. Yes. You know, there's always an element of exhibitionism. Although how he insists he's not an exhibitionist, but

I don't know. I'm not going to argue with that. We loved you, Howie. To me, I mean all actors have a, a hint of that, at least emotional exhibitionism,

but you know, often physical as well. So, so you, you came to Hollywood, you were involved in different types of sort of theatrical endeavors you studied acting, and then you kind of got invited to be in this movie called Sex World,

where you played a horny housewife. A horny housewife. Yes. That was actually a, it was a few, there was a few movies into the career,

but it was my first sex role. And for the great Anthony Spinelli, the director. Yes. Who is-

And Howie is also a big fan of Anthony Spinelli. Sam Weston is the stage name. Yeah. Well, Sam, Sam had made a movie years and years prior to that,

which focused on an interracial relationship, which won Best Film at the Cannes Film Festival. Right, right, but it was so controversial. He somehow had difficulty getting work.

So, like many people who had difficulty getting work in mainstream, he got into this, this wonderful world of movies with sex. Yeah. You know, and they were movies with sex.

They weren't like porn now, which is all focused on sex. It was, the sex was part of the movie. Yes. We had 100 page scripts and sometimes a shooting,

shooting, two-week shooting schedule. I think that was the longest, but that was pretty long. I mean, that's, that's kind of the way of B-movies, mainstream low-budget B-movies, you know,

are shot oftentimes in two weeks. So anyway, it was, it was a great time actually to get into the movies because I had fun. I had fun.

You look like you're having fun. Yeah. I mean, there was a movie that I did. It was called Seven Into Snowy, which was kind of like

a modern day take on Snow White and Seven Dwarfs. And I played the wicked stepmother. I mean, you can imagine, it was great. I mean, it was great mixing, you know,

we had the cauldron with the dry ice and I was mixing spells. And it was, it was what, whoa, this is fun. This is really. And what about the first time having sex on camera?

I mean, you have a whole chapter almost, or half the chapter, devoted to all your conflicted thoughts about, you know, I could leave, okay, no, I can't. You know, so many conflicted, interesting thoughts

that go through your mind. Well, how would you put that in a nutshell? What were you going through that first time? Well, I think ultimately the realization that once it's done,

it's done. And Sam Weston told you that. He told me that. He said, think, think really hard about this or think a lot about it

because once it's on film, it's on film. There is no turning back. Because he don't want you suing him. No, he was very realistic.

He took me sort of under his wing. Yeah, that's good. I actually went, first time I ever died, my hair red was for Sam. And I've been red ever since.

So it was kind of like, you know, like a tribute to Sam Weston. But it was, it was one of those moments where, you know, you're there on the set and you're shooting all kinds of scenes. And, and, but we haven't done the penetration scene yet.

And there's that moment where it was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. If I'm going to re-nig, I have to do it right now. Yeah.

I mean, all these people, you know. Yes. You were having definite second thoughts. I mean, but then you went ahead and.

I don't know how serious they were. I mean, yes, the thoughts were there. And, you know, it's like the left brain was doing its job. Yeah.

But ultimately, I do believe I'd already made the decision. You were chosen. You felt like this was part of your path. I did.

I did. It felt right. Yeah. It felt right.

And is this from that era? I've got this picture of you. Yeah. This is around that time.

Yeah. That was right. That was for taboo, actually. That was.

This was for taboo. That was still for taboo. So let's skip ahead a little bit. I mean, you were in another, your second movie was,

what was your second movie? I know I have that somewhere. You must know what your second movie is. I'm sitting here going, let me see if I can remember.

Well, you met this woman, this makeup artist. Yeah, Health Spa. Right. Health Spa.

Right. On Health Spa. And then you did some other movies, but let us cut to taboo a little bit here.

Because this is the picture that was from the promotion for that movie. And that movie was made in 1980. And, well, it's a very powerful movie. Which I turned down at first.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it didn't, I said, oh my goodness, this is a tough theme. I had friends who were victims of incest.

And I had actually just seen a TV show in Hollywood on the same subject. Right. They were just starting to do these TV shows on the subject and dealing with it, seriously, at that time, on Donahue and shows like that.

And so this director, Curdie Stevens. Curdie Stevens, yes. Yeah, I remember him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Curdie Stevens, he and his wife, the routine. She wrote it. She wrote it.

Right. Her name is Helene Terry. Helene Terry, yes. He just passed away last year at the age of 92.

So the sex was good for him. Yeah. At least this lifetime. No, no, about the others.

And Helene Terry, I guess she's still on earth. I suppose. The last contact I had with any member of the family was when their son approached me about doing a video for it.

They had just actually won back the rights to the movie. And of course they were producing a DVD and they wanted to spruce it up and do interviews. And Stephen, the son, was the one who contacted me. And I said, I have to ask you this question

because the very famous seduction scene was shot in his bedroom as a 16-year-old. I forget how old he was. He was a teenager. And we shot that scene.

How authentic. Everybody, people used to stop me on the street and go, okay, Parker, taboo, oh my god, that scene with you and the son. It was like that was the one scene.

That is the big scene. That is the most intense scene. Although I just want to say before we get into discussion of that scene, and I want to talk about the passion test.

But before I do that, I want to say there's another scene that's very intense. Maybe because it's more commonly experienced. And that is the scene before where your son, who plays your son, Mike, wait a second. Mike Ranger.

Mike Ranger is watching you take a shower. Right. And then kind of dry off and sort of rub lotion and then put your clothes on. And of course this is commonly experienced by many, many sons to just see their mother in the shower

and just all the many feelings that go through them. Not very many sons have sex with their mother, which is for the best. But many do see their mother taking a shower and the feelings that must be processed. And so that scene you did so, so beautifully, just really innocently.

You weren't, you know, I don't know what you were thinking about, but we assume you're not thinking about your son at that point. But he's certainly watching you. I'm thinking about how can I make this look more glamorous,

because being glamorous was not easy for me. Oh my God, you're so inherently glamorous. But it was, you know, it was sort of every time I had to do photo shoot, it just felt so strange to me.

You're especially glamorous when you're naked, I have to say. Because the fashions of the day, the fashions of 1980, were not flattering, let me just say, and especially what they had you in, because I think they wanted you to look like conservative.

So, you know, you're wearing the boxy top and covered, and long skirt covers legs, boots, you know, everything. So to reveal your body was just such a beauty, like an artwork. Thank you, thank you.

I really felt for your son watching you and just thinking, wow, you know, mom. Beautiful, wow. So many feelings, yeah. So, yeah, so that scene, and then of course the most intense scene,

and that word intense, doesn't seem strong enough. Strong enough, I know. For me, I went into an altered state, I have to tell you this. And this is part of the lead up to the story

about how significant in my life as a whole that scene is. They literally just turned the cameras on and let them run. There was very little direction. And what I did was it just seemed natural, so to speak.

It's very natural. And I just let myself... Horrifyingly natural, okay. Don't try this at home.

But I really did feel that there was some other kind of force that came in, and I know there's going to be a lot of people hearing this, they can roll their eyes and say, oh, sure. Not if they see the scene.

I tell you, you know, there's different names for the force, you know. I mean, if you want to be just on this plane, you could just say the chemistry. I mean, the chemistry was definitely there. Definitely there.

And you and Mike, who plays your son, and by the way is 26 years old, okay. At that time, right. Was 26 years old at that time, right. He doesn't stay 26, not Dorian Gray.

Okay, so... Yeah, I wonder what he looks like these days. Well, you know, film keeps you that age. It's just amazing.

I know it is. Yeah, but he, yeah. I mean, there's so much chemistry between you. And you had met before you had been in movies together.

I don't believe so. But we had met. And I was attracted to him. I have to say there was something about Mike that was attractive.

And so there was a little chemistry there. That's just one thing. But so I think I had known him and seen him around the movie sets. And so I thought it would be nice to work together, you know,

to be able to have that energy translate in a role is great. You know, because many times let's face it. I mean, this is reality of making X-rated films. It's like you don't always have that connection with your partner.

Right. Or I did not always. Of course. Right.

It's work. So a lot of times. It's work. And sometimes you just don't resonate with that person.

Sometimes I did. And sometimes it's part of the scene not to resonate. Exactly. In a way, like for instance, your character,

Barbara Scott in Taboo, the first scene is sex with your husband. Right. And you guys don't resonate at all. I mean, it's really hot sex, but it's like he's, you know,

a complete asshole and you're kind of a prude. You don't want to have the lights on. He's forcing you down. You know, he's like, I mean, it's, it's impatient.

You know, there's a negativity about it. And it's interesting because, you know, porn isn't, they don't show different types of sex like this. Everybody's supposed to be happy nowadays.

Oh, really? When they're having sex. I guess. I don't know.

It's, it's, it's just that you, you guys were in character. And in fact, that scene being left by your husband, you know, and then of course going out on a blind date with a guy that brings you to an orgy without telling you,

I had a guy do that to me once. But I rolled with that a little better. But Barbara wasn't about it. Barbara wasn't about it.

No, no, no. Your character was a bit of a prude, you know, for those times, especially, I mean, here and everybody's having an orgy.

And of course, before that, your boss had tried to harass you. Right. She knows the movie well. Yes.

Yes. Well, I have clients as a sex therapist that love this movie to death. I mean, it's, it's, some of them are obsessed with it. I've had, I've had fans write to me and say that,

that there's an obsession there. Yeah. And what should they do? Yeah.

Tough question. Well, I think it depends. It depends. You know, sometimes when you're obsessed with something,

you just need to accept it, at least as a thought, as a, as long as you don't do anything about it. Exactly. If you accept it, that loses the power.

It loses power. And the more you fight it, you know, it's like, well, Barbara was fighting her feelings and fighting and fighting and fighting. And, and she did maybe want to go into the orgy

because she keeps thinking about the orgy. Exactly. After the fact. So maybe if she had joined the orgy,

she wouldn't have jumped her son. But she wasn't, that's not her character. You know, that's not the script. The script was she didn't do the orgy.

You know, she's been harassed by these guys. She's going crazy. Can't find her sleeping pills. Yep.

And you portray her just confusion and desperation. Talk about desperate housewife. Okay. This was desperate housewife long before.

You know, back and forth walking with this great white gown and, and just so desperate until you finally give in. Yeah. Well, I heard him moan in his sleep.

That's what drew me into the room. You know, it's like junior. His name was Judy. Actually, well, it was Paul.

Paul, Paul, Paul. But turning over and groaning. And it was like a call to her to come into this. It's just so, I mean, primal, you know.

And of course this, this fantasy, the incest fantasy is pretty primal. It's Oedipus, you know, Oedipal. Freud called it Oedipal. After all, the closest relationship is mother and child and maybe mother and son

because it's opposite sexes. Yeah. And there's so many taboos and yet there's this intensity. And Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Tough. Yeah. I get today, still, I, I receive hundreds of emails from gentlemen in the Middle East

and India primarily, I have to say, who, who are fans of the movie and who have these fantasies with their mothers and are really confused and torn. You know, I think this kind of fantasy cuts across every culture because we all have mothers.

So it's, it cuts across. But when you're in a culture where you can't see any other woman without her head covering besides your mother and maybe your sister and maybe your aunt, you know, you're going, maybe going to have a little more intensity.

I don't know. I'm not trying to say those cultures have it more. Maybe all that it is is that your movie has been released in those cultures. It's possible.

You know, but yeah, there's, there's, so let me ask you as a, as a healer, do you get clients that come to you because of these scenes and then you need to heal them spiritually and kind of use your power that, that you got from playing this role in order to help people?

There have been times, let me answer the question this way. And there have been times where I've been working with a gentleman who didn't know about my career because there were a number of years, quite a few years where I didn't disclose.

I was Kay Taylor doing spiritual counseling and, and I didn't disclose or, and, or they didn't know about the career. But there was something that was stopping them from opening up a little bit deeper so that we could get in and do the healing for lack of a better term.

And there would be times when, because I knew it was a sexual issue at the root for them. I would say, let me just share something about myself. And I, this happened many times.

And after I had disclosed that I had had this career, they opened up. They felt more comfortable somehow. They might have been in awe, but, but there it seemed to unlock a part of their consciousness that, that disallowed them from sharing more

and from opening up. It was like, obviously, oh, okay. Well, this is a woman who has seen everything and done everything, whatever, you know, which is so untrue.

But, but the mere fact that I had had this career, it just seemed to lessen their inhibition and they were able to open up. And it, and it was effective. It worked.

So there's so much shame attached to people's feelings about sexuality. And to know you're someone number one who has been, who's opened up, who's had all kinds of sex, you know, and, and understand sex. They feel, and, and also someone who's not straight and narrow,

even though you're very proper. You remind me of Lynn Redgrave, who was an old friend of mine before she died. She was wonderful. Yeah.

Well, so, so, yeah, I want to talk about your, your healing that you do. But I also want to talk about a healing, not a healing, that a test that was done on you. And this was done.

Oh, before we talk about the test, we're going to just take a little break. But I want to just let everybody know what the test is going to be. So you can bring them the, the music up now. The test is going to be a passion test that was done by Ryan.

Is his name? Rian, Rian, Ryan. Okay. We're going to come back in just a moment.

So don't come yet and don't go away. We'll be right back with the passion test with Kay Parker. What will it be? What makes her feel the most passionate about my religious sexual abuse?

Has your sex life been hurt, warped, or excessively repressed by a strict religious anti-sex upbringing? Are you concerned that an unhealthy fundamentalist or orthodox environment is distorting or destroying your sexuality, your marriage, or your life in general?

The Dr. Susan Block Institute specializes in treating victims of religious sexual abuse. For information about our telephone sex therapy services, call 1-866-207-7521 or 213-291-9497. That's 1-866-207-7521 or 213-291-9497.

You won't go to hell for it, but you just might feel a lot better. Revolution Worldwide Sexual Revelation. And I am here broadcasting live from Bonoboville with the one and only Kay Parker If you're listening to us live, well, it's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas.

Yes, so I'm wearing my red and black arm warmers. It's kind of chilly here in Bonoboville, but I got hot because we were talking about one of the hottest scenes in, I would say, cinematic history. I'm going to include all kinds of cinema.

It's hot, it's hot, it's wild, and it's taboo. It is, it's like nothing you want to do or nothing. No, you don't want to do it, don't do it. But of course you do, some of you want to do it.

And so there we have the nature of taboo. And there we have the nature of something that is considered extremely hot in a shame-based culture such as ours. And when I say culture, I mean human culture.

I mean it's in China, it's in America, it's in Europe, it's in South America. Well, maybe not so much in South America, but well, I don't know. Maybe not so much in Europe. Yeah, maybe not, maybe not.

Maybe a little more in America. You make a point of saying, you know, religion brings it out to some degree, even though it can help us to deal with our pain, it can also make us feel a lot of shame. It helps with the shame, yeah.

So from shame to passion, you know, and because we live in a shame-based culture, often our passion has little like flecks of shame in it, sort of like spice. I think it's okay. But if you have too much shame, that spoils the whole enchilada.

No, so a little bit okay, you just, you understand you have a spanking or something. But passion, passion is what we all crave and what is it really? So you had this friend and a very interesting friend, like an almost tantric relationship. I would call, he was a mentor, he taught me so many things about energy

and power and he used a technique which we refer to today as muscle testing or applied kinesiology, which is used across the board by health holistic practitioners and chiropractors and what have you. And so I learned so much from him about myself, my own emotional psychological dynamics. You had an orgasm without touching.

And it was like a female ejaculation orgasm without touching, just looking into each other's eyes, like bonobos or tantric sex practitioners. But it was more than that, it wasn't even just looking into each other's eyes, it was like he held an energy that when you're around that energy you just can't break away

in a sense. But it's a stillness, it was a stillness, it was a beingness, you're so present, there's nothing, there are no thoughts going on, it's like a, it's like a transfiction, is that a word? I was transfixed, so I just made that up. So I was transfixed and I felt totally comfortable and trusting of this person and he kept, as I write in the book, he kept

boring into my third eye. It was like, okay, now let go a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more and there was no touching. Wow. There was no touching. I mean, normally we would have, we were huggers and touchers, but there was no hugging, no touching of any kind. It was just one of those moments where you kind of create this little capsule of energy and I just released

and nobody was more shocked than me. I was totally shocked because I'd never experienced anything like that. Wow. And it was, it was, it was, to me, it was just like a demonstration of the most beautiful place to be of total trust, no fear. Yeah, for sure. Do you know Barbara Corellis? Because she talks about thinking off in her book, Ecstasy is Necessary. Hi, Barbara.

Gave you a plug. Hope you appreciate it. Yeah, anyway, it's, it's, it's a lot about that, that kind of thing, thinking off, you know, kind, not, I mean, in her case, she was trying to have an orgasm. I almost feel like you weren't even trying. You were just, it just sort of rolled through you. It just happened. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, one day he calls you up

and he says, I got a passion test, which is related to the test where you put your, what is this called? Muscle testing. Kinesiology. Kinesiology. Right. And the regular test, like it tells if you're telling a lie or what you care about or something. It's, it's what, it's what weakens the body and what strengthens the body basically. So it's, it's like,

you could call it negative, positive, but you, if you hold a thought and you extend the arm and push down on the arm, if it's a positive thought, it will hold strong. If it's negative, it'll go weak. Right. And this stuff works in a crazy way. It does. It's, it's amazing. But he called me and he said, I've discovered the muscle test for passion. And so my response was, I'll be right

over because I wanted to know what it was. So, so I did. I went right over and he said, okay, so here's what you do. You sit in a chair with your feet about in your knees, about a foot apart. Your hands go behind the neck, your fingers are interlaced. And you think to keep you from touching anything. He was, he was like a crazy scientist with all this stuff. It was great.

He had all these different muscle tests, but this one was particularly different. You know, it was seated, seated, the knees are a foot apart, a little sexy with your legs apart. And he said, okay, so here's what I want you to do. Think of a time where you were in passion. So I was like, let's think about this. So one of my great loves of all time and

thought about a personal yes, a romantic, a romantic situation with a yellow roses and a sherry at that time and the crackling fire and the sex sex. Actually, to me, it was, it was, it was less about the sex. It was more about just the fact that that person was there and just giving me all of his attention and, and, you know, caressing and kissing and just,

it wasn't even, I didn't go to the sex. Right away. Okay, so you conjure up this romance, you know, crackling fire and sherry and the man you love. Yeah, figures. And then, and he said, so here's what I'm going to do, hold that thought. And I'm going to try to push your knees together, resist. So the whole idea with kinesiology is

you resist. It's not, it's not like trying, it's not like willing it, but you resist. So, and I, so I did that and he pushed my knees together, they just flopped together and he said, that wasn't passion. Oh my. And that shocked me. Yeah, shocking. And he said, think of another time. So same person another time. Same thing happened. And finally, I said,

well, there was, you know, here's, here's what I realized in retrospect. And that was that there was something wrong with this situation. I was, I wasn't honest with this person. He wasn't honest with me or maybe he was, but I wanted more and I couldn't express that at the time. And I was accepting far less than I was worthy of. But, you know, didn't know it at the time. So

finally, I said, okay, a passion test. It did. Right. So then I went, wait a minute. Because I finally got it. I finally got it, you know, because he kept looking at me, my friend who was doing this test. And I said, I'm going to hold another thought. And I, I held the thought of the scene from taboo, the seduction scene with the son. Yes, the seduction scene, taboo one, mother

son, help my hands behind the neck, help my knees. I wasn't even trying. And he could not move my knees. He could not move my knees. And he said that was passion. That's right. That's exactly what he said. And I said, no wonder that sucker sold so many copies, right? Because the soul knows what it sees. That's right. That's right. It gets the frequency comes through the camera, right?

And passion is not all like romance. Yeah, it's not not necessarily lovey-dovey, romantic passion. There's often a conflict going on. There's some conflict lovers can't be together, but you, you find a way to be together. And it's, there's a push-pull going on. To me, the reason that that tested for passion to me, why was I impassioned in that moment was because I

surrendered. Yes, the final surrender. Total surrender. In this conflict, conflict, conflict. But that makes the surrender so profound when you finally do. And you just womb. It's like carried away on this wave of passion. Absolutely. Not just as the character, but as, but, but Kay was also in total surrender in that moment. And this is why I do encourage

people to role play and to, to, you know, bring some of that conflict into their sex lives that maybe they don't want to cultivate like in their real life, but just in the bedroom, just to put, give it that spice, you know, because certainly taboo is nothing if not spicy. It's very, very spicy. And, and it, let's see, where is this? This is the picture of you with

some kind of award. Best, I think it was the best video that year. We called them videos in those days. Right. And it was, it was a video. I don't quite understand. Was it, was it shown in theaters at that point or not so much that was like the very beginning of showing stuff on video? Yeah. Because it had best sales. You were in that age, the golden age, like sex world, that kind

of thing was, was in the theaters. But then this was one of the first big sellers on video, if not the first big seller on video. Yeah. Because I think the theater, most of the theaters are closed down by, by that time. Yeah. Yeah. And people were watching at home. At home. Women, women came out of their closets. Oh, yes. And I mean, much as this movie, I mean,

is very controversial in so many ways. And I mean, these themes aren't even dealt with now. But it did, it did really give you a woman's point of view, an older woman's point of view, you know, that a lot of the golden age films just didn't do. It was all about boys night out and, you know, girls just kind of provide for the boys. And, and you, you don't really know what's

going on with these women. But in taboo, you, you know, you get a good idea of what is going on and all the torment and the desire and the passion. It's, yeah. And, and, and also the, the comradery between women. Aunt Peg is, is your friend. Yes. And she's hilarious. Who's no longer with us. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But she was, she was hilarious.

And she represents kind of the totally liberated woman. Oh, your son. Oh, let me masturbate while you tell me about having sex with him. I mean, it's just so outrageous. It's just so, I mean, it's outrageous. But you know, there is that humor side of like, I mean,

even if you could imagine, there's certain things that are very realistic, like the shower scene. It's like, okay. But, and then the sex, I don't know, there's so much passion there, you can't, it's like, you don't know what's real. What it's like a dream. It is like a dream that that's, it's like you are coming out of a dream.

And of course he is kind of sleeping. But then it's real. And then, you know, you have to deal with the aftermath. Yes. But the scene with Aunt Peg is like farce. It's like, you're trying to get some help from your friend and she's masturbating away. You're not listening to me. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of that, you know, it's funny. I was connected,

somebody connected with me on Facebook a couple of days ago and he was the son of a friend of mine who was a, she was an amazing woman who was no longer with us. And I remember when he was a teenager, he knew, he knew every line. He knew every line from the movie. And whenever we get together, he would just, he would just start reciting some of my lines. He used to thoroughly

embarrass me. But anyway, it was cool. Oh, well, there's just so many comments and things. I mean, as we were promoting this show, I just ran across so many people just, just talking about what a profound effect you had on their psyche. You know, you're, you're right there. You know, mom, it's eerie, right? And, but do you have biological children? I don't. You don't. It's probably for

the best. I don't know. I mean, it's, listen, I'm a lover, not a breeder myself. But and, and I, I mean, moms have such a tremendous responsibility and we love you moms, all you moms. It's just, I don't know, I'm just going to leave it at that. It's interesting that, you know, this mom icon. Although, you know, I, I've always been, I'm, I'm a Virgo. And are you

laughing about me being a lover, not a breeder? Yeah. Great line, isn't it? I didn't, I wish I'd invented it, but. So I used to, I've always been one that my friends could come to and use my shoulder to cry on. And so there were many years when I, most of my friends called me Mama Kay. You are very maternal and nurturing. You have a nurturing. And, and I think in those days too,

you know, you, it's like the hippie times, you had a very much of a mother earth personality. Yeah. I am. Yeah. So I have a tweet question from porn star fan, who's also known as panty boy, hi panty boy. He's a fan of the show and he's a big fan of yours. And his question is, who are your best or favorite female porn star friends?

Well, I have to say Veronica Hart. Of course. We love Veronica Hart. Because honestly, I didn't stay in touch with many of the people from the business. I stayed in touch with Howie, Richard Pateko, Seika, Seika. Seika, hi Seika. We hope to see her at the Hollywood show. We will. We'll all be together. Great. So great. Seika and I had a special bond and I love her

deal. Yes. And there's a picture of you and Seika here and Annette Haven. And you're here in Washington. That was at the Six World Congress of Human Sexuality. It was a historic event where a contingency from the then adult film association, the AFA, were invited by the sexologist to come in and form a panel. It was great. Yes. It's always great when people can have a meeting of

the minds. Yes, exactly. And I know from your book, you said that one thing that had a profound effect on you and Seika and Annette was when you went to the President Abraham Lincoln Memorial. It's a Jefferson Memorial, actually. Oh, it's a Jefferson Memorial. But it's the words of Abraham Lincoln. I think it's Jefferson's words. Okay. I don't know. Are they on the page? Yeah. Anyway, the words are,

institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat, which fitted him as a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. Translation. We've got to move with the times. Change with the times. Yeah. And I was standing there totally moved by the great plaque. And I noticed Annette

was standing off to the side and she was crying too. It was like, so that was something about that whole experience that moved us both very deeply. Because you were pioneers together. And you know, you must have thought great about it. But at the same time, a little insecure, you know, oh my God, because people didn't know what to make of you. And, you know, it's good to know you're

on the cutting edge. Yeah. Yeah. So what other ladies, I mean, you of course worked with and then Honey Wilder? Honey Wilder. Honey came into the business after me. Oh, okay. And actually, she was a friend of Paul Thomas. And Paul called me one day and he said, as somebody who's considering getting into the field, getting into the biz, and she's

not quite sure, would you be willing to talk to her? Excuse me. And I said, sure. So we sat and we talked and then Honey got into the business. I guess so. And then she became another mom on taboo. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda even wilder than you. I didn't know. I kind of, I lost, I did three and then I said, that's it. I'm done. You know, it's this. Which brings us to

four. Okay. And I don't know exactly how I got into this. I was, I just started doing my show on the radio on KIEV and this guy called, Kurtie Stevens, no, don't put it on. Yes. Oh, okay. They've got it queued up, but don't put it on now. Put it on later. But this is the point where you should put it on. Kurtie Stevens, he invited me in to

come into the studio and just, he said, first he said, you're going to be yourself, but then he wanted me more conservative than myself. So I had to, I kind of channeled Dr. Tony Grant, who I was writing her book at the time. Okay. Okay. Did you remember Dr. Tony? I do remember Tony Grant. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I helped her write her being a woman book.

And I was doing that at the time. So I kind of tried to be very proper like Dr. Tony Grant while I was interviewing Jamie Gillis, who had written a book about incest. And then of course the movie unfolds. And he's at first very about how not to have incest and then he winds up having it with his daughter, Ginger Lynn. And Ginger Lynn then figured into

my life because she was my guest when I was rated by the LAPD. And they didn't arrest me. They didn't charge me with anything. And in fact, they were kind of harassing me. No offense, guys, because I love you now, but I had to sue you. You remember. And I won a nice settlement. And we're all good now. But Ginger Lynn was my guest at the time. And so I don't know,

there's all these intersecting, intersecting stuff. But yeah, I was Dr. Stella Sidney Sidney. No, I can't live it down. I don't even have sex on the thing. But I'm like, okay, I'm in this in this wonderful porno. Dr. Lodge, your book incest, the family taboo seems quite unorthodox in that you blame what you call today's permissive society as being responsible for today's alarming

increase in reported cases of incest. Would you care to amplify your position before we take our first call? Well, first, I'd like to say that my research in this field is the most extensive in the field, and it has proven me right time and time again. In my forthcoming book, I discuss adultery as the primary cause of incest. Now, unorthodox,

as it may sound, I'm convinced that women that cheat on their husbands are the primary causal factor in many fathers turning to their daughters as a means of getting even. Now I speak in layman's terms for the radio audience. On the other hand, many wives turn to adolescents' sons as substitute lovers for either errant or inept husbands. We'll take a break before our first

call now. Don't go away. Have you been listening to your crazy husband on the radio? Don't forget, he's your crazy brother as well as my crazy husband. Besides, maybe he's crazy like a fox. You better be more careful. Yeah, sure. Hello, you're on the air. Hello, you're on the air. Charles, I beg to differ with you. There is a very definite

correlation between adultery and incest. In my forthcoming book, are you full of shit? Thank you. Thank you, Charles. Hello, KQQK Talk Radio, you're on the air. Yes, I would definitely, and I recommend that you and your husband seek counseling immediately. Thank you. We are talking to Dr. Jeremy Lodge on the subject of incest. Please try to keep your

phone calls on that subject. I'm sorry, Dr. Lodge, but it seems to me that there would have to be more emotional, deeper, more traumatic reasons for incest than simple adultery. Well, yes. In fact, there is one other significant causal factor. I believe that the lack of discipline in today's family is one of the primary roots of society's problems.

And I firmly believe that until they are mature adults, that both sexes should be segregated to protect them from outside stimulation. For example, in my own family, I have two daughters, they have a very strict upbringing, and they will be going to private girls' schools until they graduate. How come you're fixing yourself up? You're not sneaking out again tonight,

are you, Naomi? And it did have some flashbacks of you. And you, there's this big thing where there's a group where everybody confesses their incest. Of course, it's like a total farce because they confess it, but people are like jerking off while they're making their confessions. And you refused to come. You said, no, no, no, I can't do it.

Well, that was the story, because I guess they couldn't get you to be in the movie. So it was quite a series though. I mean, they had like 20 of them. I went back for number nine and I did a cameo. And that was it. I said, I, you know, no, I couldn't do it. So enough is enough. At that point, did you get out of the porn

business completely or just out of taboo? Just out of taboo. Just out of taboo. My last film actually was with Seika in 1985 while I was working for Caballero as a public relations director, which was a nice segue from, you know, acting. And it was kind of nice. It was only about 18 months because the writing was on the wall at that time that that things were changing

big time. That's around the time that Howie got out of the business too. I think it was a certain change over some people stayed, but a lot of people got out. Well, AIDS was upon us. Yes, that was AIDS. And, and also, you know, film was kind of like a thing of the past at that time. Everybody was shooting on video. Yes. And so the scenes were getting different. They're getting

shorter, more focused on the sex, less focused on the story. Yes. And, you know, no budgets, money, no money for the budgets. Yeah. I mean, the great thing about porn now is there's all kinds of porn for all kinds of tastes, all kinds of erotica. And you can find whatever your fetish is, you know, you don't have to feel so alone that you're weird, because they're not

trying to just do it for the common denominator. But at the same time, I think we've lost a lot in those stories that that actually made some very worthy attempts at integrating, you know, the real life drama that movies are supposed to deal with, and comedy to with real sex, you know, and they just don't so much do that now. I mean,

I shouldn't say I don't watch enough porn to know that they don't completely do that. And I'm sure I don't either. And I, so I, you know, for me to talk about the industry as it is today is just not something I do because I don't know. And I don't watch it. So. Right. So what do you do today? What is what is what do you are now a healer, a psychic healer, a spiritual advisor?

Well, you know, some somebody said to me the other day that so you're a medical intuitive and I thought, oh my goodness, that's interesting. But now I've been for the last 25 years, I've been I've been a spiritual counselor and a guide mentor. And but I feel like this is this is actually very significant that I'm on your show tonight because I feel like

I've come full circle. And I'm now ready to go back out in the world again. I've kind of been at home doing my doing the healing, although to be clear, I don't heal anybody. You know, thank you for clarifying. You know, they they heal themselves. You know, I'm just loved every minute of it. And I continue to do it, you know, I do Skype sessions all the time. And

I'm really I'm good at what I do. But I feel like it's time. There's something about these times. And there are these portals that have just opened on a on a cosmic level that it's like portals, portals, major portals have just opened our opening multiple definition word. I like that word. So there's a lot of energy coming into the planet right now.

And I feel like I need to get out there and talk about it. So I am I am here I am on the airways. Thank you. Thank you for this opportunity. Yes. So I mean, because, because this is what I came to do. This is what I came to do. And there's always there's all kinds of ways to do it. Yes. And I think, you know, the career gave me a wonderful platform. So how does I mean this

scene, this wonderful, amazing, disturbing, riveting scene that won the passion test, and that is bringing a lot of people to this show right now? How does that relate to your message right now? To, you know, you're helping them to heal themselves because, I mean, isn't the greatest

healer our own mother or or our mother fantasy? It's not even really our own mother. It's it's it's the great mother. Maybe. So here's the thing about that. This is my answer. Yeah. What we get from the mother in most cases is is the purest form of love. Almost unconditional. Almost unconditional. Maybe even unconditional.

I we would hope so, in most cases. And except for those few cases where it isn't a pleasant experience. Mothers do they understand they have the wisdom they it's she's it's the nurturer. Yes. And I believe that everybody is looking for that ultimately. I believe that in sex, we're looking for oneness with God, ultimately, we're looking for pleasure, we're looking, we're

looking for comfort, we're looking for human touch, and we're looking for all of those things. But ultimately, ultimately, and I believe that it's about it's about connection to God to the source or whatever the words you want to get physical about it. I mean, who are you connected to when you're born? You're connected. You're in your mother.

You are totally taken care of you feel no stress. You know, usually, I mean, unless you got your umbilical cord tied around your neck like some kids do, but usually, you know, you're just floating there. Then you're born and it's that first like blast of cold air that makes you feel, oh, I'm separate separate. So yeah, so it's ultimately about reconnection, reconnection and everything

that I do everything that I do in my work is about reconnecting. So that's sex scene. I mean, even though it turns a lot of people on for it's literal sexuality and there was literal chemistry there, but it's metaphorical. Yes, it is very metaphorical for our crying need to be mothered. Yes. Oh, I love you.

I love you too. It's profound. What you just said. I mean, I actually absolutely, absolutely believe all of this. This is, this is, this is it. My own, my own in a struggle, my own journey has all been pointing, you know, in this direction to discover it's like, well, where did I separate from the whole? Where did I separate from my if pardon me for this, my God

self, you know, where did I separate or goddess or goddess? Yeah, of course. Sorry, sorry, goddess. No, it's okay. I just want to be politically correct, you know, but usually I'm the one doing that. But, but yeah, where did I separate every day when I'm doing my own personal exploration, I'm finding out when I get sick, when my hip goes out a little bit, okay, what happened here?

That I, that I separated somewhere. There's some consciousness that wants to be expressed so that you know, if I can find it, then I can, I readjust myself back in my cells back in, put all the atoms back together again and be whole. Absolutely. And so many of the viewers of that scene, I'm not saying it puts, makes them feel whole exactly, but

it's, it's like, there's this separation that they're feeling and it, it just makes them feel that unity. It just, and there's something, you know, the way to a man's heart, you know, is through his. Listen, I had help in that scene. I have to say this, I felt like there was a room full of angels or something, and it wasn't just me giving my son my, his, you know, just

loving his glorious erection. And, and, and there is that glorious. It's pretty good. And, you know, the whole thing about feeling the whole, the whole scene felt good. But I, I, you know, and again, I know that there are people out there rolling their eyes when I say this, but I had help. Yeah. We're not talking about fluffers. No, we're not talking about fluffers.

We're very present in, in those days. Yes. Yes. But I didn't need fluff. I didn't need a fluffer. I don't think he needed a fluffer. But anyway, it was, it was a very powerful moment. And the room was, my girlfriend was there, who was, who was very much had been a spiritual guide to me up until that point. There was a cameraman whose name I will not disclose who is a mainstream

cameraman these days, who I actually ran into out in the desert a couple of years ago. I took myself on a little hiatus in the desert for two days. And, and I'm looking at this person, I'm saying, I know you, you shot taboo. Oh, wow. And it was a pretty amazing moment. But, but there were, there was a lot of energy. And it was almost as if the universe conspired to bring a certain group

of people together to do this. And I just have, I was just a tool. Yeah. And I was Dr. Dr. Stella Sidney. I was there too. All right. And Ron Jeremy, let's give a shout out to Ron. Okay. Because he's in and out of all these orgies throughout taboo. He doesn't actually have any scenes with you, but he's in and out of it. I don't think he was in the first,

maybe not the first one, but the second one. I don't know. He's in and out of orgies. You see him and his hairy back, you know, it looks great. He looks great. Yeah. Anyway, it's, it's so fantastic to have you here. And I, I hope this is the beginning of our friendship, you know, that we know each other now because I've been an admirer of yours for a long time.

So thank you, David. I'm going to kind of show the two of you now. Here you go. Thank you, David. Yes. And thank you for, for bringing Kay Parker here today. And of course, we'll, we'll see you, we'll see everybody at the Hollywood show. Hollywood show. Yeah, absolutely. What is that going on? 4th and 5th, 4th and 5th. January 3rd through 5th. And it's going to be at the

Lowe's Hollywood Hotel. So we're very excited about that. And use your condomania condoms, okay? If you are out there having some sex, use some condoms. And the best condoms are from condomania. We're also very excited about Bonoboville, which is about to open up. Yes. Bonoboville is launching. It's a certainly. It's our social media site. A new kind of

social media site. Oh, yeah. Extraordinary new site. And so if you'd like to be one of the founding fathers or mothers of Bonoboville, join it. Bonoboville.com. Bonoboville.com. Do it now. Do it now. Nice. This is a picture of Kay when you were in best little whorehouse in Texas. It was probably around that time. This is a famous picture.

I love this picture where you're so discreetly. I know. Covering your crotch. That's so cute. Yeah. That's so great. And then this one is where you're getting your feet into the cement somewhere. Outside the, the then erstwhile Pussycat Theater on Hollywood Boulevard. Okay. Oh yeah. It's no longer. It's a, it's now a gay theater, I believe, but unless they pulled

up the cement slabs, the prince is still there. All right. Well, thank you so much again. And look for Kay's book on her site at Kay Taylor Parker. Okay. You can download it. That's what I did. And also the audio version is probably just wonderful to hear your lovely English accent reading these passionate passages. And you'll learn all about, you know,

all the star children and everything. All right. So wait a minute now. Hold on. Okay. Hold on just a second. Yes, Captain Max. I'll be right back. Hold on. Don't go away. Okay. I thought we were out of time. I have to, I have to clarify the beer controversy. Oh, the beer controversy. Oh, yes. Yes. Go ahead. So actually, Susan doesn't like beer,

but she likes this. Oh, okay. This is what you stole from the kitchen. I didn't steal it. You told me I could have that and tucked it away. Yeah, you gave it to me. And what is it? It's hard. Yeah. But this is, yeah, this one I might like the wrong thing. Right. Okay. But that, okay. So I couldn't figure out what was going on. Okay. Well, thank you so much for clarifying that Max.

That was wonderful. That was really wonderful. It was. Rarely, rarely do we have, usually we have to have 12 people. No, I knew this was, no, I love Ron, but I'm glad he didn't show up. Now I'm glad nobody else was here. I love you Ron and I'm glad you didn't show up. Yeah. Wonderful. He won't take it personally. Okay. So I think we're going to go, you know,

I hate to go on this one, but we are going to have to go and we'll be back later, like next Saturday with another live show. But this has been amazing with Kay Park or Brothers and Sisters. Thank you so much for joining us from your home, your cardboard box or your mansion on a hill, wherever you are, wherever you're tuning in. I want you to be happy. I want you to be healthy

and have a happy holiday season and make like bonobos, not baboons, right? Make love. Whoops. Which way are we going? Okay. This way. Make love, not war. You know, just like they said in the sexual revolution that spawned Kay Parker, make love, not war. Make love to someone you love tonight. Even if that someone is you, you could watch taboo. And from our house to your house,

thank you for having us. We'll see you soon. Yeho. Yeah. Okay. Nicely done. Beautiful. You're listening to Radio Siziwan and World Wide Web.