Sex & God

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You're listening to Radio Suzy One on the World Wide Web and now here she is, Dr. Susan Block. Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists, lawyers and connoisseurs, actors and authors, pundits and porn stars, masterbaters and fornicators, pundits and pervs, all you children of sex.

And we are all children of sex with a capital X. Can I hear an amen? That's right, brothers and sisters, we may or may not be children of God. Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Brahma, Rama, Dhamma.

The Goddess. I'm sure I'm leading somebody out. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, we may or may not.

And then there's the great Minnehaha and you know, Eros and Bacchus. But one thing we do know, until we start cloning ourselves, we are all children of sex. Yeah, and I want to welcome you to the Garden of Eden. Thank you.

The Temple of Sex. Yes, brothers and sisters, Dr. Susie Speakeasy in the soul of downtown LA. The Bonoboville Cathedral. And I am the irreverent Dr. Susan Block, your lover doctor, your pleasure preacher.

And yes, I, unlike many preachers, try to practice what I preach. I do. And why? Well, because I have faith, brothers and sisters.

I have faith in sex, brothers and sisters. As I said, faith, the F word is on the tip of every tongue of every politician, every pundit, every poster, every preacher, every pious puritan and pontificating prude. Now that's a lot of pee-pee, Peter Piper.

But we're talking about the F word. And here in Bonoboville, we embrace the F word. That's right. We are people of faith.

We are brothers and sisters and sinners and lovers of faith. Praise the Lord and the lady, especially the ladies. We have faith in the laying down of arms and the laying on of hands. We have faith in the power of sex.

Can I hear an amen? Amen. Can I hear an amen? Our faith is as strong as a young man's erection.

Our faith is as deep as an older woman's desire. And yea, though we are burdened by the threats, recriminations and abominations of crazed fundamentalist thugs of all the world's major religions who murder civilians

with homemade pressure cooker bombs or predator drones, both sides with God on their side, yea, though the same fundy thugs try to nail the rest of us regular, just sexual folks to their crosses of torture,

anti-sex, superstition, terror and war. And still we hold true to our faith, brothers and sisters, the faith of our conscience and our libido. Our faith in the glorious healing power of sex.

Yea, we got your faith right here. Yes, brothers and sisters, this is the womb room. This is a ministry of sex. This is a faith-based program here.

Can we get some funding? This is church. This is mosque. This is temple.

This is a sanctuary where it's warm inside and sometimes very wet where we love and explore all the gods and goddesses and the tranny gods or whatever they're called.

I don't know if they're a goddess or actually Mercury is a tranny god. We love and explore all the gods and the goddesses within our sexual selves because that's where they live. The archetypes of our desire, brothers and sisters,

where we express the many splendid aspects of human sexuality in ways as old as life itself and new as the newest technology, the technology that brings me to you

and you to me, opening our hearts and our minds and our legs to each other, making us intimate in an instant from my bed to yours.

Yes, indeed, brothers and sisters, get yourself right into bed now. Lay back and enjoy the show where we have faith in you, baby,

because you have faith in sex. Does that make sense? It's a perennial. You know what? It doesn't have to.

Right, brothers and sisters, because faith doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't. It makes no sense. But we have this yearning for that kind of thing, don't we?

And we do awfully foolish things like give up our lives to hypocrites for the sake of our faith. So let's have faith in something we can believe in

and something we can get behind. In our sexuality, which means much more than our sexuality, it means our life, brothers and sisters. Sex is what brings us into the world

and sex is what motivates us to stick around for a while. And actually that sticking around in that enjoying life, hey, that's a thousand times that recreation and that relation,

that's a thousand times more important than that procreation because we've done quite a bit of that. Anyway, speaking of which, oh my goddess,

it's the holiday, it's the merry month that celebrates that sort of thing, that non-procreative sex that we love so much.

Merry masturbation month, brothers and sisters. It's the month of May again and again. It's May, merry, merry masturbation month. Of course every month is masturbation month.

I know, I know. But you know, we have these special months like women's history and stuff like that which every month should be women's history month.

But you have a month where you focus and you pay attention and you masturbate a lot and you talk about it.

You testify, you know? You know where the root of the word testify is from testicles and testament. Because way back in old testament times

when our forefathers swore an oath they didn't put their hand on the Bible because the Bible hadn't been written yet. They put their hands on their family jewels.

And said, yeah, I promise. And then they did whatever they wanted. Like they do now. Don't try that in court, you know?

Don't tell them I told you to do that. Your honor, I want to do a bonobo handshake instead of putting my hand on the Bible. Actually they don't make you put your hand on the Bible anymore.

So, merry masturbation month. We're celebrating that. We have an exciting show tonight that's going to talk about

some of these issues, brothers and sisters. The subject is sex and God. How religion distorts sexuality

and it features our guest, Dr. Darrell Ray. Welcome. Good to be here.

Welcome to the sanctuary, brother Darrell. Have you ever been in a church like this? No, this is a first. So great book.

This is an exciting, interesting, of course, not faith-based book. This is a book based on reason. But it is also, I think, based on passion.

And you come from a religious background and you had a personal revolution. And you, you know, got faith in the power of science and sex.

Sex. And so tell us a little bit of your story. Well, I got interested in sex when I started masturbating about 12 years old

or plus or minus there. I never lost any interest but everybody kept telling me it was wrong. Really? What religion were you from?

Fundamentalist Christian religion. My parents were even missionaries at one point in time. What state? Kansas.

This is the heart of the heartland, brothers and sisters. Like everybody is Christian. You probably don't, you know,

you don't know what a Hindu is over there. Like 14 or something. Well, I think I know that by now. Well, by now.

It's very heartland, which is a beautiful thing. Some of my favorite people are from Texas. Actually, Lawrenceville. Lawrence, Texas.

Yeah, it's kind of like an artsy place, kind of like Austin, Texas. Lawrence, Kansas. Right, Lawrence, Kansas.

That's just a few miles from where I live. Yeah, okay. So that probably influenced you. Well, a grip in Wichita

where they murdered abortion doctors more recently, of course. Oh my God. It was a pretty fundamentalist place to grow up. Grandparents were preachers

and they were pretty strong. I went to seminary, thought I was going to be a minister. Actually preached for a while but found out that wasn't for me.

Wow. I'm telling people what I didn't believe myself. When did you realize you didn't believe? Probably about the time I was 35 or 36.

And getting divorced helped a lot. Right. So all that time in between, 13 when you first started masturbating

and 35 when you kind of got religion opposite. I know.

So how did you how did you rectify? How did you deal with it? Well, I was married. I had kids

and all this religious stuff around me. The main thing that happened to me is I went and studied with Dr. Albert Ellis. Ah, great psychologist.

Yes. And also a sexologist I guess you could say. And he really influenced me.

At the age of 27 I realized, wow, the stuff I had been taught wasn't right. And his books are pretty profound. He founded this society

for the scientific study of sexuality who was here last year. Quades. And how

difficult was it for you to kind of break away? Well, like I said, it took a divorce. And once I got divorced

I didn't feel burdened by all the family obligations and parenting and grandparents and all that kind of stuff.

So I started exploring alternatives at that point in time. In fact, that was when I first read Dr. Deborah Annapol's book

Loving More. Really interesting. Can you explain your subtitle like in a nutshell

to continue the testicle analogy? How religion distorts sexuality? How does religion basically

essentially distort our sexuality? Well, almost all religions are based on a patriarchal model. And that means control of women

and control of property. So you can't have a patriarchy without controlling property and controlling women.

First of all, it controls women's bodies. And then when you control women's bodies you control their sexuality. You control their children.

And women are the primary carriers of religious ideas for the family. So every religion needs to make sure

the women are properly infected with religion so they'll pass it on to their children. They're infected.

See? For a swear. Whoa! Mr. Barrymore.

I should introduce him at this moment. He was booming through our technical system. This is John Barrymore of the Barrymore family.

I have a question for Renegade. I basically have the same view as you do although I never was a believer

although, you know but when you tell people that you put your faith in reason do you ever feel a little weird that you just used an oxymoron?

Well, I don't put my faith in reason. I don't put it faith in anything. I said that. I was being a little bit, you know, funny

there. Okay, see there? That's me. No, she's not a moron at all.

This is Malika, millions brothers and sisters. Sister Malika who sang for us

at our 21st wedding anniversary. So, were you trying to make a point, John? No, I was just asking that, you know

when you tell people that you put your faith in reason or, by the way, isn't it only the monotheistic religions that really have that patriarchy thing going?

Heck no, Hinduism is about as patriarchy as patriarchy goes as it can be. And that's a very misogynistic religion,

Hinduism. Well, just because they put the widow on the funeral part. Yeah, yeah, detail. What's wrong with that?

I guess you will point well made. India is one of, I think, 140-something worst country for women on the planet.

And it's what galvanized the world into the 1 billion rising campaign because of that awful rape that took place on the bus. And that was

so much recognized as kind of emblematic of their kind of woman-hating situation. Although, of course, there's wonderful

rape happens every day, little angel. Hey, I have a really good question. By the way, the angel who acknowledged that rape does happen every day

and that we're trying to, you know, at least reduce it is Renoni. Angel Renoni. Thank you.

And she's wearing our angel wings. Hi, Renoni. This is Renoni's virgin appearance on the Doctor Susan block show. Absolutely.

Squeak, squeak, squeak. Thinking about Timoras. I know. I totally look like sex,

but I don't have sex. My parents are Roman Catholics. They didn't have sex until they were married. On the day that they got married

they had sex. I was conceived in Japan and now yes. But I follow the same thing. My mom was a religious

school teacher. So I was strictly brought up. I don't practice masturbation or anything like that. My father

was a... I'm waiting for marriage. My father was an altar boy and a Roman Catholic. And like my ex-wife became an ex-Catholic

or at least abandoned a lot of it during puberty adolescence. And he said he remembered the exact moment

and he was a Christian until the day he died. He believed in God until the day he died. What happened? He had broken his collarbone. He was confessing to the priest that he had been

masturbating. And the priest said how many times. And my father said why is that important? Because you get a certain number of Hail Marys and our fathers for each one.

And he said in that instant the light went on and I realized this is all bullshit. The church. I just want to say something about

self-pleasure because it is masturbation month. And it's okay

with God. Because as Saint George Carlin said first and many have repeated it

if God had intended us not to masturbate he would have made our arms shorter. I want to make an

announcement. I have only successfully masturbated previous to last night once only in my life and I was 19 and just woke up from a

really hot dream about a girl and so I was only half awake. Well you know God can't arrange for you to come honey. He just takes the hands within

reach. But last night for the first time in my life I achieved it with my own little fingers. Oh, yeah.

Very masturbation month. Hallelujah. What do you think was the cause of the break through? Let the scribes write that down

on the third of May. Don't look where I'm looking. I have a question for you. What do you think? No I have a question

for you. Oh sure. What was the cause of your break through? Well I've been on testosterone for a year and a half now so that's

helped a lot. Yeah. And I don't know maybe being with another catalyst just like myself.

Oh you were with someone? Yeah it was really special. So you had a really special masturbation? Perhaps. Yeah nice.

Very nice. I have a question for you though. As far as the changeover from matriarchal times to patriarchal times

what do you think in the word catalyst what do you think was the catalyst? I mean all of a sudden. Farming. All of the priestesses became

evil witches. Farming. Not Barney. Farming. Like agriculture. Farming. Farming.

Farming. Till the land. Farming. Farming is what seemed like it was going to be a big time saver.

How does farm have to do with that? Question little angel. I'm going to let the doctor

answer that. Doctor Ray. It has to do with chattel. The answer to your question is agriculture. As soon as we started tilling the land

and hurting animals we had to control property and we couldn't and we had to make sure that our property went to our progeny, our children.

If it doesn't go to our children it's going to somebody else. See it all happened when people discovered where children came from

where how you how crops grow, where babies come from. It ruined everything for women. That meant men went hey

this child is mine. Because otherwise maybe men could think we all got together to help create this child. We're all this child's

uncle. But once the man feels this is my child then the woman has to be enslaved. That's

my corn field. I learned about that from my friends Dr. Chris Ryan. Chris Ryan. And Kassil Dejetha

authors of Sex at Dawn who I know you mentioned in your book. That's terrible. We're all equal. Well yes darling little angel

that's a very very basic essential truth. The woman came from the man's rib. Well

that doesn't sound very equal actually. The rib. Hold it. The rib thing. Well first of all the Bible has two different

creation stories and one of them is the rib. Well that means to be shared. See she demonstrates

one of your interesting points that you make Dr. Ray in your book Sex and God

which is that sometimes a beautiful person a lover a woman a man or someone you fall in love with someone attractive like Renoni

who makes no sense whatsoever can make you give up your reason and follow God for Renoni. Renoni

could make you convert to Catholicism she's just about making me convert to Catholicism you know if you don't have to convert I just this is something

just I've recently realized you can't judge people on their crazy fucking beliefs because some of the nicest people I know are Catholic anthropologists

or Mormons or you know and they're the right in the world the number one book in the world

and agree not a crazy belief it's true actually the number one book in the world today and one of the reasons that Catholicism

and all these religions no absolutely not have you read the whole Bible excuse me excuse me excuse me excuse me

the most the most read the whole thing cover to cover it's a lot of death and destruction and murder excuse me excuse me

excuse me excuse me excuse me excuse me the one of the reasons

that the Catholic Church that these people are all being defeated in France the churches are supported by the state

because nobody goes let me finish the most read book in the world today and is read every day and is the

the child of the revolution is the internet nobody believes these stories anymore

billions of people a day read the internet that's not a book that is the new book

that is the new technology that is the new truth that is the new light that is the enlightenment of humanity

and a women I have a question for the Catholic do you have a pope now we were popeless for a while

he resigned to spend more time with his family I have a question for you if there was a Catholic

and I believe there was a Jesus a revolutionary man named Jesus Jesus is my boyfriend my father and my lover

it made it clear that there was one thing that was institutional religion remember the whole money changers out of the temple thing you know what

I'm not into all that mumbo jumbo I just believe Jesus and God is God and I love them

I have to agree that I love Jesus too he had really nice ribs and he had a six pack and he had the hair

he was a rock star if he existed he was a pervert he was smoking dope and he was spreading

legs and oceans and seas that's what he was doing he said spread the oceans lord and I just love my divine

interventions he's like the ultimate sugar I'm trying to get your microphone turned down roll off and get wet

that's the garbage company roll off and get wet she's too loud yeah she's the body of Christ

I gotta turn the because brothers and sisters the church has a lot of people talking for it and I would like to hear

from this author who has written a book to challenge the church and the mosque

and the synagogue and all of our structures that come out of our enslavement

and it might be a fun enslavement and yeah I like Jesus too I just love my Jesus jackhammer

yeah because he penetrates my soul but anyway

Jesus is great but you know a lot of people in organized religion take Jesus and Moses

and these archetypal symbols whether they existed or not I don't know whatever

it doesn't really matter they capture a place in our souls in our hearts or whatever you want to call it in our brains

and these religious leaders of ours from the pope to the chief rabbi to these ayatollahs and imams

these people that are telling people to kill for religion these people that say God is on their side these people that say don't masturbate

these people that say you know sex is something that's just for procreation these people that say we've got to you know have nuclear families

or we're sinning and we're going to go to hell you know these are the leaders of our organized religion and we need to challenge them

a little bit because we are sexual these are serious oh and I haven't introduced my other guest here

who's been very quiet and her name is Nikki Nefarious Nikki Nefarious brothers and sisters

let's give her a hand Darrell that's who I that's just Darrell isn't it just one of

tell them what to eat and make it really hard to comply with tell them what to eat, how to have sex what to wear, give them a new name

and a uniform if at all possible and tell them who and when they can fuck under what circumstances it's really just mind control

101 isn't it of course it is the minute you come out of the cunt these guys are

throwing water at you they're slapping you on the back they're turning you into some kind of fear and they're cutting you

and in some religions they're cutting your penis and then sucking the blood from that penis

this is disgraceful this today these people should all be arrested not all of them okay but some of them

like the priests are arrested and the priests and the imams hey listen I can understand it

I love that sort of brothers and sisters thing you can tell right brothers and sisters I do I love that feeling

I love when we gather together I mean Dr. Ray our atheist organizations need to have more fun

holidays like Christmas and Hanukkah and Ramadan and whatever there is that we celebrate

and because we need to gather together and we need to to believe in something that we don't quite understand

but yet we I don't think we need all those like destructive debilitating

rules and threats what can I do everything subject to interpretation what can I do I mean

what do we create do we create I don't want to create a new religion but yet what's the answer to this need that humanity obviously has

I mean you point to some hunter gatherers who they don't really have major holidays but the haze

to have one that I really like which is that when the girls reach fertility time they run around well they first

cover themselves with like bacon fat and then they run around and they smack the boys with

fertility sticks and then I'm sure the boys go after them and just eat up all that bacon anyway that's their holiday

but I mean what do we do about this this need what do you think well we're a social species there's no doubt about it yes and religion just

has taken advantage of that need you don't need religion but you do we do need social structure and social coming together you need to join facebook

you look yeah yeah facebook is we are getting those structures even as we speak on things like facebook but if you look at places like sweden

they don't seem to be suffering too much from not having any religion and they come together they have clubs they have civic clubs they have charitable

groups and their churches are beautiful museums yeah and nobody goes to them well they the tourists do the tourists the tourists go there

yeah especially the ones in france you know in france in france and holland they're mostly night clubs now yeah night clubs and restaurants

they're more capitalistic in france they support that you know they give them some money going into a time of atheism or not

I mean it is that the third fastest growing sort of religion if you want to categorize it as that

people are just getting tired of the organized religions I think people are just getting fed up with the hypocrisy that's happening

with the catholic churches and the southern baptist churches and the orthodox churches and I think people are just getting sick and tired of it and so without

any other thing to hang their hat on or anything else to have faith in they just fucking move it and that's why atheism is on the rise

and it's kind of sad you know I mean I'm a Christian but it doesn't mean that I'm a hate spewing awful person like a lot of my

Christian brothers and sisters which totally bothers me out. What kind of Christian are you? I was raised Southern Baptist actually. Wow and so you're still a Christian?

I am and I'm like you go to church? No because see that's the thing though because they use it to fashion people that's the thing. And there is a difference

between believing in the message that Jesus Christ told us which is love thy neighbor and a completely different one when you go into church today and it's

basically hate everyone that's different from you I just can't get behind that. I don't fucking care who you are. So how do you how do you practice your Christianity?

She masturbates. I try and be a good person and I try and lead by example and I don't try and take

my views. See that sounds like my definition of ethical hedonism. See I like that. I actually know a lot of people a lot of Christians like Nikki who

I never knew they were Christians they just live in a Christian manner. Absolutely. I mean they will never use it something to bash gays with or you know.

I don't know that to me sounds like an ethical manner. They're more interested in the message than in what a bunch of guys with an agenda wrote in a book. And frankly thank you

for that because to be honest with you maybe I'm a little old fashioned but I think that the people today

the hateful people today are just screwing up the whole religious experience for people who just want to go back to basics

look at maybe the underlying lesson of being nice to each other. There are no hateful people. But there is something

about going to the action as opposed to the message. Agree. The action is love that's doing the do. Thank you.

And I would like to say something about ethics. And why people obsess about certain types of love being appropriate and other types of love being not appropriate.

A lot of people think that ethics comes from religion. A lot of people think that in order to be good we have to believe

in God. But you know ethics being good being nice being kind is actually older

than humanity because we got the bonobos brothers and sisters and Dr. Ray has the bonobos in his book of course

because the bonobos show us that kindness and fairness precedes humanity.

I don't know what they believe in because we haven't communicated with them to the extent to know that but we do know

that they have exhibited just very strong acts of charity kindness that it shows us where this

comes from. This comes from inside of us it doesn't come from believing in anything in particular except

just being good and being good feels good that's why I come back to ethical hedonism because ultimately being good

feels good and yes there are crazy atheists for sure and you know there are but there's an awful lot of

people that are using religion these days all different religions to excuse their violence

so I don't I don't know. They're God as a dick It's true. Well I think that's insulting You're supposed to kill somebody else

for him. He's a dick. Exactly You're God do it for yourself As a Southern Baptist type

Christian I almost have to preface when I let people know of my faith it's almost something that

with my peer group I almost kind of have to keep to myself because people immediately assume that I'm going to be hateful that I'm going to be vile

that I'm going to be sort of a judgmental asshole. Now tell us about what you do you do BDSM right which is very Christian

in a way because Jesus is on the cross right so it fits right in you know he's suffering for our sins and you make people suffer for whatever

I don't know. Well it's true a lot of people have a little bit of a absolution when they come and see me for sure can be I guess a religious experience definitely

and coupled with the fact that I am an ordained reverend so it kind of works out. An ordained reverend for what Southern Baptist. Oh wow

I'm one for the universal life church That doesn't take me I'm a bondage artist so I actually performed a wedding

it was a hand-festing which is like the ultimate bondage experience a hand-fisting hand-fasting

Fisting is completely different but I do too. But I mean what are some of the wild kinky things that you do?

Other than fisting Well fisting, okay so you do fisting with your fist and you think that Jesus blesses the fisting

I mean maybe You can bless anything that you want Jesus can bless anything that you want so some people are redefining

religion as they wish No absolutely That's exactly the point and you see this throughout all religions that are constantly evolving

and religions evolve just like species evolve so we see Southern Baptist if she was Southern Baptist

most people don't know it started with slavery it's split off the Southern Baptist church didn't even disavow slavery until 1989

so we've got this church that's based on a vile institution and yet they were preaching against the north

preaching in favor of slavery and nobody seemed to think that was a problem now Southern Baptist think it's a problem

so we see it evolving constantly evolving and people are constantly changing their religion because God's word does change

it changes every time a new person is born practically What I don't understand is why people don't follow the logic of their own beliefs like if God created man

in his image then God's at least 10% gay just look around Thank you No I mean seriously though

I believe that I believe that God created each and every damn last one of us and if you were born gay that's the God's creation and not any other

man can judge a creation of God I don't care who you are However and this does bring us back to the Catholic church The nice thing about the Catholic church is

there's a chief executive the buck stops at someone's desk and you can hold someone ultimately responsible and in terms of the Catholic church

it's St. Syracuse Pope in the 3rd 4th century he was the one who decided priests had to be celibate now celibacy does not make you gay

Why did he decide that What was his motivation I actually don't know because Jesus as far as I know had nothing to say on the subject

of celibacy He also had nothing to say on the subject of masturbation but he did have something to say about

institutional religion he didn't like it No right true and it is masturbation month and I think most of these

organized religions have something to say about masturbation and that's basically don't do it

population control though honestly well honestly yes but a lot of people take it seriously I know this as a sex therapist

that there are people many many people or else I would be out of business that are victims of religious sexual

abuse and that is on the mental as well as the physical of course the physical level happens as Max said you know with

some of the rabbis and the priests and the ministers they all do it they're hypocritical maybe as much as the rest of the population

but because they're on the pulpit it's something special people keep forgetting that these humans are just humans

and that's because we learn about them when we're little children and they abuse that trust that we give them and they tell us

that we shouldn't play with our genitalia because then God won't love us anymore and that's cruel and unusual punishment

I have the best experience I'm not even going to lie I used to go to church camp a lot and I used to go to this amazing

Christian church and we spoke with the pastor because I was kind of confused about my sexual identity and I was having some questions about some stuff

and it was a really big deal for me at the time to discuss to my preacher about possibly potentially oh my god

I actually like ladies too that's such a big deal and he was totally cool with it

let me know that anything that I was feeling is a natural course of my life that it does not define who I am that I'm no more or less than I was the day before

that I'm still created in God's image and I should just continue to live a good life and I think to me that is always carried on

no he's a rarity which is really sad but I think that all preachers should strive to lead by his example do you know what I mean well of course I mean that is a rarity

but you know maybe it is happening more and more because religion is part of the human social organism

and we are forcing it to change brothers and sisters in some areas it's liberalizing certainly in some of the

areas we're talking about here and yet at the same time is it a backlash what is it that's going on in this world that there's all these

fundamentalists that have risen up that weren't around when I was a kid right I mean when I was a kid I thought religion was kind of fading away

or they were all going to be preachers like yours Nikki I thought religion was liberalizing and that it was a progressive movement

that we were all in humanity but I don't know I'm still hoping that's the case but they had no way to speak at the time

science of mind they had no way to speak at the time now they have the internet and then George Bush

went in and bombed a lot of people so then they're all rising up and saying why are you bombing us so what's been going on is the same

thing that's been going on forever there's the Christians and the Muslims and all these people killing each other and bombing each other

because that's religion is the genesis of violence the the symbol

the symbol of Christianity Christianity is a guy on the cross nailed to a cross bleeding

this is what the child sees when he first comes out he sees some guy sitting there with long hair bleeding

on a cross who is behind you look behind you he's an angel

we love it he's not bleeding on a cross well yeah he is they're all bleeding

Jesus has open heart surgery in his pictures and he's bleeding there's blood there's constant blood

I grew up a Catholic by the way let me tell you something I come from one of the oldest Catholic families in the world

so what's wrong with you there's nothing wrong with me absolutely nothing I'm a peaceful man

that loves and cares you are married though he is married for 21 years that is an accomplishment

that has nothing to do with religion it has to do with love it has to do with the troubadours which I come from the troubadours

that were anti-Catholic and Christians the troubadours that created the first ex-signs

the troubadours who were persecuted and prosecuted by the Catholics and the Christians and the Muslims

you are killers you are murderers why are you yelling at me it's the new technology

why are you yelling do you believe she's Italian Max and I'm Italian

I'm Italian too but I'm not yelling at you okay love I love you don't love me

please don't pray for me don't love me don't pray for me don't do any of those things

because I don't want to die under that name of Catholicism and my family were my great grandparents

of Villa that's ancient and ancient that's where they buried the kids that the nuns have in the fucking tunnels of my family home

so don't tell me that is a super dominant yeah ouch

these are gangsters gangsters at the highest level I didn't realize when you guys came on the show

that you were so religious honestly it's alright we're gonna defeat them we're winning

it's a debate in a way that I wasn't expecting but that's cool I thought you were in the sex business I am though and it's not a debate for me

it's not a requirement what do you do what do I do I work a regular job

what kind of job what does that mean that means something different in my industry something that I was never able to do

despite decades of trying wait a second now why do I think I gotta get my producer in here

because she looks like a porn star I enjoy actually enjoy taking nude photographs oh there we go

see I was just gonna ask for an explanation I thought she was massage therapist

massage therapist and this brings me to my question do you buy the whole plate do you believe all the dogma of the catholic church

I love the church I gotta tell you I love you honey for posing nude for photographers I do

I enjoy that but it's tasteful nudes it's nothing like Ron oh yes the pope is just fine with tasteful nudes actually Tiffany star

these are all trannies running around in skirts molesting little children what are you talking about these are perverts

they don't even approve a birth control let alone nude photographs absolutely and they stifle good people

I flipped out of catholic kindergarten and then I went to public school and I tested in the 99.999th percentile I was president of every club

okay I'm a really really really good person I like you I like sex and I like nudity and I like no but I don't like sex

oh I'm very sorry for you didn't you say you were a virgin she doesn't know yet though of course you don't like sex

you're a catholic exactly I'm just waiting for the right person oh and you think you're gonna like it

when you meet the right person you're probably gonna like it for a little while oh yeah because when you fall in love

you get chemicals showering you but once those chemicals go away you're gonna go back to the way you feel now I don't even want to do it

the more depressed they grow up the wilder they are the problem with all these people the problem with all these catholics

and religious people they're all brainwashed from the minute they popped out people are doing terrible things to them

cutting their penises and throwing water on them and can you imagine the ones that ever cut my penis

fucking them in the ass well in some countries they cut your clip so how about that think about the name of the church

and that's the worst record I'm not gonna pick I mean you know all religions all the major ones let's say

abuse people's sexuality all the major ones as I was starting to say there are victims of physical abuse that I see as a sex therapist

but many many more of course victims of mental sexual terrible mental abuse of religious people

and parents lying to their children and telling them that masturbation can send them to hell I still feel the guilt

I have a lot of clients that literally fit into that mold that's the damage I think the only reason why

there's nothing wrong with that is they've been totally wrong with damaging people like the girls

there's nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with that the church and government

I want to say what's wrong with that Renoni is that the church gave you a grating voice that has to be modulated

What is a module? Modulate Modulate Is that Catholic schooling?

Alright brothers and sisters we are broadcasting live on Radio Susie 1 on the World Wide Web World Wide Revolution World Wide Sexual Revelation

from the Garden of Eden where my co-host is Eve my snake the reptile brain

the sexual side of ourselves that the church as well as really all the major religions

that stem back to the story of the Garden of Eden they say that the snake is the devil hmm

but she's my friend the devil didn't really do a lot of damage sometimes I think what would God do and then I go on a genocidal rampage

well the devil is the snake and the devil is also Pan the great God of the libido the horny God

yeah the horny God mmhmm so brothers and sisters we are redefining religion

I think is what's coming it's coming to here and I didn't know I'd have these two grey-haired men who come in

in defensive atheism and these two female hotties who are defending God I'm glad you're talking about the two old

grey-haired guys over there you're one of the hotties no I mean hey we believe you have a right

to believe whatever you want to believe right but we're coming after you and here's the thing brothers and sisters we're coming after you because the damage you do

to society is unbearable to the children of the generations I'm gonna have God make you pregnant I'm gonna have God make you pregnant

God doesn't even have a thing much less balls do you guys want to know something I'm gonna have God

let me see you growing up in South Carolina as a Southern Baptist young and I decided that I was

gonna wait and I was gonna wait until I found you decided you were indoctrinated that you were gonna wait because I know a lot of South Carolina

girls that are having sex when they were little kids obviously wait a second wait a second so I

I've been married for 15 years so I did so you never had sex before

and I waited until I was an adult before making an adult decision thank goodness because my sister decided not to do

the same thing 16 and pregnant thank you very much but more importantly more importantly I learned a lot about myself I learned that it wasn't about

wait a minute wait a minute hold on a second why are you talking about your little sister like that that's her life

and she brought a child to the world she brought a miracle don't downgrade that that's what Catholics do

these are dirty kids because they had children when they were 15 people were fucking when they were 12 be quiet

don't tell me to be quiet or I'll shut off your microphone turn her mic down I worship at the holy church she has a great voice

it's not even what she's saying it's how she's saying it get well soon Coby anyway so back what I was saying

no no no no no I waited too some people can wait here's the thing brothers and sisters this is my show

okay so the good doctor here is so polite you're all talking over him because you're all exhibitionists you are

that's for sure now you might be religious exhibitionists I found fetish usually because of my religious

proclivity very nice brothers and sisters most

most of our religious leaders are abusing their power over us

some of them are changing and we're all for the change and when porn stars and fetish performers

are for Jesus you know there's a change and brothers and sisters it's okay to wait

for marriage to have sex but don't tell other people to do it thank you

that's non consensual when you are telling people that if they don't wait for marriage that there's something wrong with them

that they're going to hell I want to thank you for that that's a personal choice it's important for me

no one actually sat me down and talked to me about safe sex because to me it was abstinence so no one told my sister about safe sex

either thank you and when she made that very personal decision which is up to her as a woman to make

she was ill equipped because our culture instills abstinence or nothing at all and because of that we have women growing up

without the education that they need to make a responsible decision for their bodies well hallelujah let me build on that

continuing ignorance is the way to go no no she's saying we should the bottom line in most religions is they're based upon a fundamental lie

and this is the line parents tell their kids not to masturbate and the parents themselves masturbated that morning

priests tell people don't masturbate and in confession the priests masturbated that morning priests tell people don't have premarital sex

they don't even get married they still have sex Baptist ministers have affairs with people in their church hypocrisy

go to Baptistpredators.org and you'll see thousands of Baptist ministers doing illegal things and I'm not just talking about having affairs

I'm talking illegal things and it's an excuse to behave very badly religion gives leaders excuses for all this

because they have a hotline to God there's so much there's so much lying goes on and the line goes on to having children

and not talking to the children saying you shouldn't have sex before marriage even though I did I have people come into my office

and they for counseling and they say I can't talk to my daughter about sex I say well why can't you because they might ask questions

well what kind of questions well did you have sex before marriage I couldn't answer that because I'm telling her not to have sex before marriage

so you can see right there there's a problem and then the even worse is couples that come in and he says

I believe my wife was a virgin before we got married then I talked to the wife independently and find out she wasn't

so their marriage started off on a lie and this happens over and over again in religious groups what you're saying is empirical information is useful

thank you you know there's a reason why aren't you Nicky

you have a little geek in you little science nerd how did you reconcile that with your faith okay so that's actually interesting

people asking about that all the time and the bottom line is I choose to believe in the story

I choose to believe there you go that's what the whole idea of faith it's like faith doesn't have to make sense

because it's faith and as long as you understand that and don't fall anyone else for not believing that nonsense

you know God and goddess bless you for believing what makes you feel good and that's fine

and that's fine for you to believe what makes you feel good but you know when you insult other people and when you harm other people

and when you jail other people and when you kill other people and when you kill other people that steps across the line

and when you control children's sexuality and we will defeat you for the rest of their life

of course it keeps me in business as a sex therapist I have to say which is a really sad state of things if you think about it

I mean that's such a commentary on the time well it is the times and this time has lasted

for about 12,000 years the time being when we discovered where babies came from and when we discovered how to plant

seeds in the ground and make crops grow and we thought we were going to have a time saver we stopped hunter gatherer behavior

which meant a very free sexuality we don't have time in this show to go into all the details about that so read Sex at Dawn

but the main idea is that once we started owning property, owning farms we had to work those farms

so we had to have children we had to own people strong men had to own slaves to work the farms

and then they had to own warriors who would fight to defend the farms because what if the slaves uprising you got to have people armed

and then of course you got to own women because women are going to make your slaves and your warriors and your heirs that will inherit

your farm or else what the hell are you doing all this work for you know so it it builds and builds

and it's such a it's such a deceitful it's such a horrible thing that the leaders are doing

to the other people, to the women to the children, to the slaves they got to have religious people they got to have priests that tell the women

and the children and the slaves and the warriors this is what you got to do to go to heaven and really what we're doing is we're slaves to the man

brothers and sisters and the man just happens to be fill in the preacher man's pockets with money

and so the preacher man tells the slaves and the women and the children and the warriors you got to fight and you got to die and you got to do all these

crazy things and give up your sex life and give up the joy in this world so you can have eternal joy in a world that they don't know about

do either of you want to hear about or research the origin of the sex who actually wrote them

and that's we come to the fourth page that's kind of why I say that I choose when they were actually developed and the fact that King James like took out 14 pages

and added four and I also know all of the pagan backgrounds of everything that I hold dear as a Christian and I still think it's awesome

and frankly by learning that stuff and incorporating the original pagan I guess ideas behind it to the Christian

made up your own Christianity you know and that's that's cool I do too I love the symbols of Christianity

I have a Christmas tree up all year long I'm wearing the Jewish star a star of David which was made by the way by prisoners

made out of prison blues I have my cross that was given to me by one of my clients and I love this cross with all my heart and he was a virgin

and the Catholic Church told him that he would be a sinner and he would never get to heaven if he had sex

outside of wedlock and the problem was he didn't fall in love so he never had sex and so he called me when he was a genuine

40 year old virgin and he said what do I do and I said go to a hooker and he said but I don't want to go to a hooker I want to be in love I want someone to want me

for who I am so I had to do therapy on him usually I just say go to a hooker but he wanted love so he had to relearn his whole Bible

he had to relearn all of that and he stopped going to church and he got laid and he fell in love and he's doing great and he gave me this cross

when he first met me and then I got this Muslim thing what do you call that crescent moon

I have a tattoo of that I've had two 40 year old virgins and this is not the movie two of them come to me in the last month

there are so many they were evangelicals tell them to take up ballroom dancing that's what I told this guy to do

and he got laid within like two months I would say that's ballroom dancing you know if you're a guy 40 year old virgin the women

look guys if you defend that kind of violence that kind of lie

that kind of nonsense the catholic church today in the white world is dead

it's broke so now they're going to where all the ignorant poor people are Africa and all over the world

to get money out of there so that they can molest they can buy buildings they can do all of those things

these guys are high level criminals why are you mad high level criminals why are you mad

I'm not mad I'm a warrior against God don't hate the player I don't hate him

I hate the people that support fascism like people like you and like her that support that kind of christianity I don't actually

if you were listening to me darling no that's a made up because they're going to put you to the cross when you go to see your god

he's going to say mother fucker you're going to hell and you're going to burn because it's against the rules of christianity what you do

sister ashley testify so here's the thing two things that come up are that

a. a woman could use her religion to save her 10 year old daughter from being

raped by a man that wants to do that because he is a patriarch and can do whatever he wants and he can say

you're not allowed to do this to my daughter because the religion doesn't let you do that there's maybe a way

that you can use christianity to help women is this like you need religion to have morality yeah turn them over to the priest

give them over to the priest actual empirical knowledge for god science this is 2013 for god's sake come on your history

is full of blood and murder i think i have the idea what's wrong with you guys trying to defend i don't think so and also maybe

you can save a woman from like fuck saving women save the world save the world save the world

against this treacherous disease that's called christianity that kills that murders

something even worse i think there might be something even worse and you can use the power of your religion to try to save your daughter

from like mutilation usually religion is the one that mutilates religion mutilates

that's worse mutilation than christianity most of what goes on in my church well we're not trying to isolate christianity as the worst

we're not trying to save the world we're trying to defeat these fascists fuck the world we don't want to save the world

we want to save these people from these criminals that run around dressed as

i want to just make an observation that i honestly did not realize

that there was all these religious people in the sex community that's good because the sex community is so huge now brothers and sisters

that it involves religious people too this was my revelation and i first munch

this is like any other group of people a total cross section religions mostly said one you're not supposed to have sex outside of marriage

so you can't do any porn or webcam or any of this nude modeling this is not okay so you guys you gals are saying it is okay

totally i want to bring your preachers over here i want to meet them when the god gets you

when you go to those gates baby you got some problems it's pretty clear in your bible you're going to hell for eating meat on a friday

what do you think is going to happen to you for naked pictures on the web let our author talk a second here within the

the Quran or the bible or even many other there's very clear guidance about sex and sexuality

so what you're saying when you reinvent your religion is you're kind of picking and choosing and you're

reinventing and god doesn't like that specific instructions i was Catholic i know what god likes

you can only get married once according to paul and only remarry if your spouse dies period and that's the rule

and yet i see christian after christian divorcing do you realize the baptist ministers have the highest divorce

rate equal to their own congregations and higher than most secular groups and of course higher than Mormons too

baptist get divorced as much or more than anybody else just the kind of hypocrisy that you're talking about is what has made me

hi i'm lotus lane hi lotus is good to have thank you for coming but no that's what's made me

conflicted with organized religion in the first place is the hypocrisy i see from the people that preach it to me i'm like how can i believe

when you don't even practice even just the extending being loving thy neighbor not even the basic stuff

so how can you preach to me about the more complicated emotional stuff love your neighbor and get rid of the bad stuff

god didn't teach me that and just dismiss the other stuff and disregard it god didn't teach me that

no unless i go to the agape spiritual exactly churches wait a second brothers

can i define something here can i set some definitions i would like to when we're talking about religion here

we're talking about church, mosque, synagogue temple we're not talking about your own little fantasy because your fantasy of religion

is great i have my own fantasies of christmas trees with jewish stars and imams floating around

and you know i have sex with the jesus jack hammer dildo my god she'll kill you if you say different butt plug, how about the baby jesus

butt plug but this is my made up religion okay this is not real catholicism

this is not what we're talking about anyway when we say religion distorts sexuality we're talking about organized religion we're talking about the pope

the ministers with the big churches we're not talking about your little identification which is great we approve of all that

masturbate to it that's fantastic i got some holy water lube for you right here theology is what we're talking about but when we are

talking about religion distorting sexuality brothers and sisters and that is our message tonight we're talking about the organized religions

that have been building in power and that may right now be losing power they are losing power

christianity catholicism islam judaism we're talking about hinduism budism and the other isms

and we're talking about it according to their books not according to your very very free floating interpretation

which is great and i can masturbate to it and that's what i like about it but most of this stuff this is really bad in fact

it's considered worse than regular dildo okay so this is very old it's also very old lotus lane will be glad to know if she gave you

masturbation material i have one masturbation question and this is really important did jesus masturbate

oh well in ashley's christianity he did did you guys ever read the book and here's the key

the new testament doesn't say a word about it the old testament what it says about masturbation is that onan spilled a seat upon the ground

but that was because he was not impregnating his dead brother's wife there you go there's not really much on masturbation

that really came about because hey in the early days of these religions there was not the population explosion that we have now

and they wanted to increase the tribes they wanted to increase the church and control the women and control the women

and control the men and control control control so a great way to control is through saying you're not allowed to masturbate because everybody does it

and if they're not busy masturbating and having a damn good time then they're going to be pious and working in productive in the field

so the idea goes but i don't know listen let me let me just say something let me just say something about

yours morality all you Catholic and Christians I spent 26 months in prison for your morality

because I was publishing naked women so your morality put me in prison I don't like that okay and where

your morality, her morality that kind of morality put me in prison and anybody that puts me in prison

I'm going to fight back because I ain't no idiot secondly I learned how to love and care

about my neighbor and all those things not from some god not from some nun because the first day I went to school

I ran out of there I said there's something really sick with these people they're walking around with these things on I'm just a little 5 year old kid

scared to shit out of me alright so I left there what I learned from my great grandmother my grandmother

my aunt my mother and my other aunt is Max

you just be a nice little boy and you'll get laid that's right but that's in the essence of what they said

you be nice to people and the world will be nice to you and I didn't need any god and I didn't need Jesus Christ for that

I needed 5 wonderful women in my life and how about this one and this one here

and anyway here's the thing I gotta also clarify brothers and sisters because we got religious people

we got atheists listening to this show tonight by the way on drsuzy.tv and agnostics we got all kinds but I want to say

we can redefine religion however I am a student of history and for me

you can't just redefine all those many many years of persecution that the catholic church the christian church

the jewish religion the islamic religion the hindu religion the buddhist religion

all that killing all that that repression of natural sexuality

you can't just undo that for me I mean that's me like I said I think everyone has their right

to have whatever little religious ceremonies and whatever they want to do you know a lot of people break out

but my father you know and my ex-wife it's like they became ex-catholics in puberty

it's like no this isn't bad and wrong and I don't think I'm going to burn a leg of fire for it and I think that's just out

ridiculous I got kicked out of school because I was in a catholic school and they said

you have to write this essay it's why you believe there's a god and I said did you even ask me if I believe in a god

what are you talking about a lot of people are being born right now so I wrote why I don't believe in god and they fucking put me in catechism

after school to re-inductrinate me and we want to and we want to talk

yeah and we want to talk about China and re-inductrination I'm just a little kid

and I said I don't believe in this nonsense I want to hear a little more from Lotus Lane because she has on her

her Twitter that she's a libertine a libertine oh

let's ask her for her definition of according to Michael Douglas brother here I have my own famous relatives

I don't need him I can't wait till I do well libertine is of course historically

send all these Christians to the fucking lions as a rebel against Christianity that's kind of how I feel I am

I did go through catechism as he says and I felt that paranoia and that guilt that you feel growing up

just having natural feelings and just a thought that pop into my mind and I thought for every thought that pops into my mind

that's one step closer I am to hell and so you would try and flush out those thoughts with more and more prayers and

you just can't and so eventually when you see all this hypocrisy coming out from all the

the areas that would tell you how it is to be good and this is the line that you don't cross to be good and they're crossing the line you're like

I've really been putting myself through through so much trying to maintain what you say is the right way what is what is it all for

and honestly I do believe that if you just are a good person and you don't do things with malice whether they seem good or bad in society

you're a good person like I don't do porn and have sex with people because I'm being mean or trying to get back at someone or

trying to like fuck society or something like that it's really like a feeling of expression that I all the reasons I would feel that

that I want to get out like I love I want to love more people something you just said something you said is very important

and that was very eloquent Lotus it was and absolutely illustrate something I write quite a bit about in the book and that's what I call

the guilt cycle and you just illustrated the guilt cycle you don't you aren't born with a shame or guilt around masturbation

you aren't born with a shame or guilt around having sex before marriage somebody has to teach that to you and it's almost always religions that teach

that to you now why do they teach it to you because you're going to do it anyway so what happens is you learn as a Catholic don't masturbate

when you masturbate you have to go get forgiveness for that sin at the priest have you ever heard of a Baptist confessing their sins

to a Catholic priest have you ever heard of a Catholic confessing their sins to a Muslim Imam no because

you can only get forgiveness and relief from the guilt that you caught the disease in the first place you have to go back to the religion you have to go back to the religion

you don't have it you don't have it if you're newer you don't have that it's part of being like

born when you are or born when I am that you already caught it so people that are born later don't have it

and we don't have to deal with that history and people born now will not have to deal with that history oh no no no no those who do not

learn from history are doomed to repeat it brothers and sisters doomed to repeat it we have to learn from history or else we are stupid

you don't have to have the history of shame and guilt you do not have the history of shame and guilt if you're born later in history it's a demographic

I would take issue right now if you were born in Saudi Arabia or Iran if you're born in Alabama you are getting a big time lesson in guilt and shame

big time but you can overcome that as a person you have overcome it

but people in Birmingham Alabama right now some people right here in LA California haven't overcome it but usually they have to

overthrow the dictator in their head yes of course it's in their head but it was put there when they were a little tiny baby

by a preacher a priest a rabbi an imam an ayatollah or their parents

absolutely right and there are people bigger than that in every society you're bigger than me you're bigger than me

people are bigger than that we do not have to deal with the shame and guilt when I stand up here I'm bigger than you let me just tell you

you're over it don't tell me what I feel don't you dare tell me what I feel are you over it

no I'm not over it because I'm a human being and I have to defend my rights and I have to live a good life

and if I spend it believing in people that are hypocritical that's not over it I'm not over it

I'm getting over it I'm in the process of getting over it I'm a Christian but I'm pissed at these

Westboro church people instilling nothing they're kind of funny they're so ridiculous they invented their own religion

like you said they made their own religion Westboro Baptist Church is 45 miles from my home I see these people coming

there you go that's where he's from Fred Phelps not a friend of mine by the way and they're real

and they fully believe with the power of God behind them that they're ever so right and let's just say brothers and sisters that the Westboro Baptist Church

does a better PR job than your churches because you guys have all kinds of airy-fairy very nice ethical hedonism views

which I appreciate but their church has a lot more publicity than yours and their church is what I think of

when I think of the church so you guys got to get to work redefining your church if you want but you know what

history still exists and we cannot get to work redefining your church but nevertheless you cannot

you cannot grow out of history or you're christianity and Islam are both imperialist religions part of the religion is to convert everybody

alright well now we're going to do communion okay brothers and sisters lovers and sisters

it is time for Bonoboville communion we are going to eat and drink of the body of whatever God you choose

if you are a goddess then I will accept alright would you like to be the first

we'll come up to my pulpit she is the living goddess of sex on earth yes that's right brother

sister I got to get my sort of I mean genders right here okay so these are Bonoboville

jello shots these are made by sister Lisa who I don't know if she's here but she makes delicious jello shots

okay so now we do it a special way here in Bonoboville let me get a microphone for you

what's the yelling going on here I waited too I was almost 20 I had sex when I was growing up so

what are they yelling about I was 19 stop the yelling out there you maniac you sound like barbarians at the gates

okay so here's your microphone now the way that we do this Bonoboville jello shot and you do look very virginal

but I see your nipples right there so therefore I think you're not as virginal as you appear so um

we use the nipple for the shot your nipple well yours too because I'm going to have a shot

because it's been a tough show you don't show your nipple I'm a never nude never nude

who's a nude are you a nude come on up here I like my lapsed center here

go back to your seat little lady thank you very much here we go this is lotus lane brothers and sisters

hello hello and you look very chic thank you I was doing casual

casual I on the other hand you're always the diva church lady crazy diva

sex pot I don't know what I don't want to show you up that's for sure right well just as long as you show off for me

okay so uh should we have a little strip tease music can you take off your top

yeah here we go alright Ben uh give it to us

this is the temple of love brothers and sisters and this is lotus lane sister lotus lane yeah

and she looks beautiful in her zebra print bra yes

oh shake it sister yeah hallelujah praise the lord

that's a gift from god the goddess or nature or whatever so hang on to my phone so here we go

are we all settled down in there are we having orgasms or did somebody just see god or something was there a vision of holiness

okay okay so we're all quieted down I guess I guess yeah

you know religion heats people up a lot sex and religion yeah but that's alright dr Susie we have fish in the kitchen

we're multiplying we're multiplying the fish and pretty soon the fish will be coming out here okay across the red sea

so here's what we do for our communion here first we lick of the body of the goddess

ooh and then we tap tap tap the margarita saw okay

body shots you hear that tap tap tap and now you know she always gets to do this

I never get to do this she's a nice slipper you get to do things okay and now I get my shot

from jello shots LA our favorite sponsor are the jello shots out there it's very

unholy whoa it's strong it's strong it's kind of strong

okay take that Jesus yeah take that Jesus okay so your turn okay just in that

okay so here I would still be going to church if this was actual communion this is actual communion

this is church I've been going to church here every saturday for 20 years hey man they women

a little 21 that's right actually 22 my child

mmm and now what do you want I've had a lot of good news and thank you jello shots LA

for providing the body of Jesus woo amen this is like mango flavor

it's yummy huh you like it mmm yes you have to use a little tongue when you're devouring the body

doctor is that stuff only for the preacher no no no it's also for the common people

I just wanted to have a titty shot for the first one and I have a virgin here so okay well

they are body shots but I guess I've got a religious group here we're doing fine so I'm just going to offer you a shot

without the body if you like they're in different flavors hey I'll try and substantiate if there's a free drink in it

yeah well I know you you would like some oh yes

by the way I have my child I think I have the solution to all this abuse oh look who's here hello

metastopolize himself have a seat oh shit I said fucking church you can say fucking this church oh

that's the thing this is the church of the fuckers as I said we have the f word here the fuckies

fuck me fuck you here's Marilyn what you see beautiful

that's Malalaika yeah I got paid $200 today to pose as Marilyn I'm just having to be like her

to shop as Marilyn it's good work if you can get it spoken as a true Marilyn

right well you know what Marilyn had a very interesting fantasy the real Marilyn Monroe

is said to have had a fantasy of getting up on the pulpit of her church

and stripping naked before the entire congregation she did I read it on the internet

no no you're a producer Suzy come on that's always been a sexy guy Betty Page went to my alma mater

Betty Page graduated from Peabody where I went to college and Betty Page was on my show

in 1996 and I'll tell you Betty Page is a little bit like these girls because I said to Betty because she became a born again Christian

and I said how do you think God feels about what you do

or what you did and she said well quiet on the set please I think it's okay

and she had a very deep voice and she said I think it's okay because God created Adam and Eve naked as J-birds

that was an answer that was amazing Dr. Suzy you're mic down a little bit please thank you

yes indeed okay so who wants to do some shots here oh you're all doing shots with no nudity I really have an uptight crowd tonight

it's literally a chain tie somebody up I can do you have rope I'll do it

do I have rope you have your hair look at that hair that's rope we got some

we do have rope but I have a new producer who doesn't know where the rope is a good amount

okay we have plenty of rope get the rope this hang this Christian where's the lines

you're going to stand here yes sit down don't just stand there hello Dark Phoenix hello hello thank you for having me on the show

well my pleasure what is your Twitter before I forget Dark Phoenix 6669 6669

he's not all in one he's got that Nick, Nick is our scribe and he's tweeting right now

um okay he's all come back we have the end

of the show doctor did we offend you or something he's got to go pee oh okay because the show

is almost over and you can't you got to well but I mean we're going to talk a little more but you got to go pee it's okay hold that in

I don't think it's that kind of show right what were you pee on the show if you want to you can pass him a glass

I don't think I want to see him pee if you want to pee I'll watch you I won't drink it though

hey Dark Phoenix what's your take on religion well I went to a

co-ed catholic grade school old boys catholic high school and um now you know me

um I know what you want you're not going to get it well I mean I work in the porn industry

so there you have it and your twitter has the number 666 I think it's very apropos

you know I I try to reinvent the wheel with most dialogue so have you reinvented the bosses

or are you an atheist or agnostic or what I would like to consider my choice of religion Wiccan but I'm not

an avid practitioner Wiccan what do you think about Wiccan Dr. Ray very sex positive I'm all in favor of him

but it is a religion there are a few sex positive religions very few though but don't they tell you

what to do anyway it's the same two holidays the spring equinox and the winter solstice

we should celebrate I like the pagan the reason why I like the religion so much is because it integrates nature and that we are all

part of one universe well there you go so you don't have to have no religion and make sense

you could be a Wiccan I guess do you practice sex magic I try as much as I can is your hottie Hayley

Hayley yeah she here that won't get you into heaven son that won't get you into heaven son but we give you an A for effort anyways

it'll get you to some kind of heaven I'm sure alright brothers and sisters I guess we are about to to wind it up

I'm coming up there too because it's one of my favorite subjects yeah here have a seat with me

I've been a warrior against Christ all my life and I'm telling you I'm gonna win

uh huh when I go up there he's gonna say you must be max right how do we follow

Saint Joseph you must be max right you must be max right that's right he says you can't come in I'm gonna say Mary get the kid

let's get out of here yeah hallelujah hallelujah

so I think we're gonna wind it up and have an after party right yeah we're gonna wind it up in a lake of fire can I have one last word

yeah no you can have one last word if you are married in a religious marriage as a Christian

you're having a threesome with Jesus every time you go to bed he's always watching that's what I learned some of these girls like that

I have to say I think they're having a threesome with God every time I have sex with women they go oh my God

oh my God what the fuck's God doing in my bed get the fuck out of here sometimes they say Jesus

you made me come so hard but was it Jesus was he even there well you know

can I tell one last story this Jesus I dated a Catholic girl I dated a Catholic girl for several months

and she would go four or five months weeks and then she'd get all guilty and she'd cry and stop having sex for a week then she'd get horny and call me up

you wanna come all over so I came over this went on for like four or five months one day I showed up her house with no notice

this was before cell phones and I walked in and there's all this religious paraphernalia that's never been there before and I said let's call her Sally

that wasn't her real name Sally where did you get all this what's this doing on the walls and she said well Darrell I just can't come

with Jesus watching me so I take it all down before you come over just can't come with Jesus watching me it's true he's like Santa Claus

he's always watching yep right well with that I'm gonna drink Jesus Jell-O Jesus Jell-O

I just wanna pass on to you it's a suggestion to the church that they can get past all these scandals with a new slogan for their educational institutions

no child's behind left wow now I gotta tell you something brothers and sisters it's all well and good to reinvent Christianity and I think

that's great and I totally approve of that but right now there is a a general

an admiral in the coast guard what was his name Max white admiral white I don't know

but anyway he just made a speech I think it was on the day of prayer and he said

that he is not going to let anyone stop him from proselytizing for Jesus

and he was created with a huge avalanche of applause and

our military brothers and sisters I mean is pretty well infected and getting more

infected and making our military presence out there in the world more

of a holy war a holy war I don't know about you but I find it embarrassing

he also said that he was going to defy orders so this man here should be court martial and put in a break

including the orders from Jesus because our armed forces don't belong to any religion to Shea

he's putting his own religion above the constitution that's correct but he swore not to do it's a perversion of his own religion because you know Jesus

didn't say go kill your brother but there is a movement right now in our armed forces of

missionary zeal of Christianizing and of fighting our wars which are really for our corporate

interests for our property for our farms for our owners and we're fighting these wars but people

need motivation because they don't want to fight for oil and did you know that some of our ammunition some of the ammunition that we use

against the Muslims and the Arab world some of it is imprinted

yeah I've heard that it's imprinted with blood it comes from the Bible because it couldn't report its armies

they only came to Christians and they ruled the world for another thousand years that's correct the power of God

they say that people are out of board maybe the power of a priest could actually turn somebody gay

that kind of authority what does that have to do with war it has to do with the fact that celibacy doesn't make you a child bluster but it attracts

people who have issues they can't deal with in their own sexuality that's correct that's why prostitution needs to be

thank you I agree with you a regular outlet that they don't feel shameful for a friend of mine

an ex priest said an ex priest says why don't you bring down their mics bring down their mics

censorship an ex priest says they make abnormal behavior a qualification for the job

and then they expect people surprise that people use abnormal behavior in the job speaking of Catholic priests of course

that's right brothers and sisters it's unnatural and if you want to do it hey that's great

celibacy is a fetish to make people do it is kind of it's kind of sad

I agree with you on that I think that that's the wrong way to control people I think that if you want to control people loving their neighbor that's totally fine

but the fact that we're just hating you know what the thing is when people aren't controlled mostly aside from some psychopaths

we do love our neighbor because it's within us we don't need a preacher to tell us to love our neighbor

it is something that we feel inside when we peel away all the crap we do love each other we do know that we need each other

what is left when you peel away all the crap the only thing that is left is you when you peel away all the crap

all you got is the humpin the humpin the humpin the Harlem Shake

I think she's had a little bit too much Jesus juice we're talking about sex here we're talking about peace we're talking about love

we're talking about women amen amen and a women okay brothers and sisters

I think we're gonna find out where we're all from they always had the same story can you tell it's always the same story

it's like never changes turtles all the way down all the same story it's the same story

it's like they have a tape recorder in their head because it's programming it's the best argument you know a lot of

she's alright she's religious religious religious people are always like this

religious people often get frustrated and then they have to yell at you or bomb you

or something especially if you throw logic at them then they just explode

you can't reason with a believer because the belief isn't based on reasons yeah that's definitely true faith doesn't have to make sense

but at the same time as a fetishist my fetishes don't make sense to most people but they make perfect sense to me

and that's all that really matters now I'm not gonna judge somebody else for having their fetish listen 70 years

70 years since I was 5 years old and I first went to kindergarten I've been fighting this battle trying to figure out

why these people dress so funny 70 years and 70 years I've done television shows I've done all kinds of things

I've done everything I've done jail time for my thoughts and my ideas and every time

I talk to a religious person it's like I'm turning on a recording it's the same whole story

and it's terrible it's terrible it's sad yes doctor max there's a good reason for that

because you catch religion when you're about 5 to 9 years old like a cold before your rational immune system is kicked in

somebody knocks on your doors they're trying to sneeze on you they're trying to give you their religion like a disease

but you have got a great resistance to that you were given that earlier because if you're a Baptist you're taught all the things you shouldn't listen to

but you're not taught how crazy your own religion is I also have a genetic code that goes back

to the time of the troubadours yeah you do my family goes back to the 11 hundreds so

we escape those kinds of persecutions and we went to Italy to become Italians and eat pasta

the one crusade of Christians against Christians was the crusade of the church of the Vatican against the French people

basically in the south of France they were saying they were related to Jesus we were saying that and they didn't like that

and therefore they came to try to get us maybe the history is a little murky but as I said last week if you go to Rome

and you're looking for hookers you go to the Vatican they're all around the Vatican late at night some hot chicks baby

well I'll tell you something I grew up Jewish and I'm proud of that the chosen people and all that crap we're chosen to be

in big trouble right now but you know in the Holy Land oh my god anyway

I'll never forget when I kind of opened my eyes it was when I was five years old and I was at a Seder

a Passover Seder big big event and I was of course already a budding exhibitionist so I was really excited when the rabbi picked me

to hold me up in front of the whole congregation at all these tables and there were a few other kids there too on the pulpit but he held me in his arms

because I was the littlest I was five years old and I felt so special and so wonderful and so blessed and there was a cup of wine

right in front of him this is the cup of Elijah and some of you heard Jewish or maybe you know anyway Elijah is one of these prophets

some descendant of Jesus or something anyway he's supposed to come in on Passover as kind of a

mirage like Jesus like you know a ghost and drink from the cup of wine that is on the table

but of course this is a story right but you have to have a cheerful you have to have a cup with the wine and everything alright so you have it on the table

you have this cup with wine and everybody's looking at it and they sing this song beautiful song

and everyone looks at the wine and then they finish the song and the rabbi turns to me and he goes Susie

did you see Elijah drink from the cup are you serious? Susie says did he want to get a light on him?

I was five I don't know what he wanted but at five I knew I didn't see Elijah drink from the cup so I said

no and he goes are you sure Susie you didn't see Elijah drink from the cup and I said

no and I started to cry and then he said hang on Susie you'll get it and he goes one by one through all the other kids

who are obviously indoctrinated like I wasn't yet they were a little older than me so he said did you see Elijah drink from the cup and they said yes

yes I saw Elijah drink from the cup yes yes yes yes and they all got little coins and I didn't get shit

and I'm like the rabbi comes back to me and he says ok Susie and I was you know I wanted the coins but I don't know

I don't know what was in me but I was a seeker of truth and I just I was crying I was screaming no no no

you guys are lying Elijah did not drink from the cup they had to take me away and then they bribed me I must admit

I got a lot of candy and then she saw Elijah you saw the lord you're like Captain Picard

in that one episode of Star Trek when he got defeated by the Borg and they tried to make him they tried to convince him that they saw five lights

but there was only four lights and he would not be convinced there was only four lights and you're just like that that's amazing not a lot of five year olds could have that real worth all

deny reality that's the thing to the doctrine of early to deny day evidence for their own eyes I started to learn it eventually

to learn to play the game just to get along but I always knew in my heart it was wrong they didn't ask you to say why is this night unlike all others

that's the youngest I said because it's fresh right right

okay so you know brothers and sisters you're all entitled to your religions and you're all entitled to your fetishes in fact I think religion is a fetish

the problem becomes when it's a non-consensual fetish I'm all for all the fetishes I'm all for people that worship you know like

like flying monkeys with big dicks in Hollywood that's common actually

I'm all for people to worship a woman with a beautiful foot I mean I'm all for people to worship this beautiful cam girl

I'm all for people to worship Jesus just don't push your religion down my throat or down the children's throat

or down my pants stay out of my pants well the throat is a little bit of the oral section especially wearing weird clothes

anyway we're gonna say thank you to everybody first of all let's have a hand for sister Lotus Lane

who shared her beautiful body with us tonight has not been a big body show it's been a...

so where do we find you Lotus Lane you can find me at twitter at Lotus Lane that's L-O-T-U-S-L-A-I-N and you can also catch me at

kinklive.com that's where I can sometimes also at stream mate alright, well we will catch you so I'd like everybody

that's out at the bar that was a guest on the show to come into the sanctuary where's our producers and

associate producers bring those people in here now third level producers bring them in

round them up even the crazy one the religious one with the wings so she was calling you

that religious woman that was sitting here the religious woman that was sitting here was calling you a fucking whore oh well, that's a value

it's typical but she poses new typical of whores that look like whores to call other whores whores

you know, say it sister Lotus we're all whores one way around typical of Christians to call other people names constantly

and one of the oldest there's no need for names well we have a very honest profession right here alright, so uh...

I multiply fish in the kitchen and so on okay, yeah Malika, come on up here

I like how she said that where do we find you? hi there where do we find you?

oh on a street corner named Desire yeah that's right you're a sinner

can I GPS that? alright, so where did where did our religious Christian go oh, she's gone

wait, the one that was sitting here? no, the uh... the redhead I think she went to get a drink

okay, because we're saying goodbye bring her back the kind of Christians that I want to know more of

those kind of Christians they just try and live an example and they don't care what a bunch of guys wrote in a book

who had an agenda you know what I mean? I actually dated one and although I've been a lifelong atheist

we never argued about religion because in a congregation when they started to bash gay she'd go, no, wait a second that's not what Jesus preached

I thought she was living her life based on a delusion but she was intellectually consistent and I was impressed by that

anyway, this is not really a show about Jesus this is a show about religion this is a show about religion let's just maintain that

okay, so uh... yeah why don't you hold the Jesus Jack camera very nice aww

she won't get naked, but she will hold a Jesus with a dick on the end of this cross yes I will everyone has their limits

where do we find you? nickingofarious.com you can also find me on Facebook and FetLife, Twitter

and all that good stuff at missnickingofarious alright and where do we find you John?

I'll be doing Hamlet in Carmel for God's sake I resisted it, but I finally said I'm not afraid to play Hamlet

wow last weekend of June and every weekend of July four shows a week, the forest theater in Carmel oh on the weekend, we're busy on the weekend

oh well and we find you oh Dark Phoenix well because Dark Phoenix is such a popular name

I've got different things for different things, so you can find me at Dynasty Trade Media or rubberandbondage.com

you can find me on Twitter at Dark Phoenix 6-6 or you can find me on Instagram at Dark underscore Phoenix 6-6-6-9

or on Facebook, Dark Phoenix 6-6-6-9 alright and Dr. Daryl Ray author of the book that made the show

Sex and God how religions distort sexuality so where do we find you

Dr. Daryl Dr. D-Ray Dr. D-Ray 1-3-2 on Twitter

and just you can find me on Facebook or Daryl Ray at thegodvirus.net and you're doing a lot of speaking these days in fact you just spoke to a convention

today and where else are you speaking Orange County I just finished

an 8th university tour in Ohio so I'm taking a rest until June

when I start again I guess more than a day of rest okay brothers and sisters I think that's it

do you want to say something brother Max? I just want to say that this poor woman here who just left she seemed like she was going a little

called you a whore this is very typical of Christians of calling other people names

always calling other people names what she call you? I don't know God?

who knows you know but I aspire to going to hell let her talk

come on over here with those pretty tits come on I said she was projecting she didn't say anything about you it was all about Dr. Suzy she was just seeing herself

I wish she had said something about me or what she'd like to be exactly wow

what did she say? wish she was seeing herself I was wondering why this loving God gives you a permanent punishment

for a temporary injunction you know you do something wrong and like eternity in a lake of fire you would never treat your own children

anything like that I'm a father I don't want my kids to worship me Leviticus says if your children dishonor you

you should take them outside the city gates and stone them to death that's very godly how about the one

where Lot who is like sort of invaded by these guys in Sodom and Gomorrah

who want to get to know which in the bible always means have sex with the angels who have visited Lot

and Lot doesn't want them to rape the angels of course because he's a good man so he says don't rape the angels you can't have these angels

but how about my two daughters that's the worst one rape my daughters why don't you rape my daughters

would you want to sacrifice them for raping most people wouldn't by the way those daughters later had sex with him

I mean it's kind of the bible is full of crazy it's no wonder where people get their fetishes from you know

every last one of my clients are either Catholic Jewish or Southern Baptist you don't have any

Muslims yet not yet they're certainly around and they need help too

and Mohamed didn't need any help Mohamed didn't need any help for wives and hookers

he was drinking nine years old it's all your little peasants 14

Mohamed was a pedophile do we have any Muslims around any Muslims here or Mormons

anybody have a bomb on this we have a lapsed Mormon I know I know we do because in both cases the word of God

was revealed to one individual correcting all previous versions who in both cases was illiterate and had to tell it to somebody else to write it down

and they both like plural marriage yeah yeah Moses was illiterate Mohamed and Joseph Smith

oh okay right but I'm just saying Moses was also kind of illiterate well yeah but he he wasn't illiterate never mind

he just couldn't speak he had a speech impediment of Scientology that was illiterate unlike all the other ones

which by the way is no weirder than any other religion just more expensive it's true yeah yeah

have you run into Scientology? are they any different than these other religions or the same I think they're worse because people get infected

with Scientology as adults which means there probably was something mentally going on with them to begin with I find it hard to believe

very few people ever convert to a new religion once they're past about 9 years old if they come back to religion it's the one they were exposed to you know people look at Jesus

at 35 years old they rarely convert to something else and some other religion unless there's mental illness involved almost at least that's been my observation

it's the only church on earth with a celebrity center and they called me incessantly they called me 150 times

I said look I applaud you for getting rid of the big invisible tyrant in the sky but it has every other feature of organized religion that I despise

a hierarchy of how to develop you are and some other pinhead to the science a bunch of rules about what you put in your head who you can fuck and when

and it sounds totally arbitrary and a theology that just sounds well wait a second John you are a creature of Hollywood

why does it appeal so much to Hollywood Scientology? because the reason they have a celebrity center is not just the power of their celebrities

to promote it because celebrity is something that most regular people quote unquote aspire to which they have people who have no experience

with it are the ones who make some more appealing yes exactly and so I think that's why

they get a lot of people on the way up and it has the thing as I said social climbers celebrities celebrities the pity is I know

you've got some things that work some techniques that work better than traditional psychiatry for like you know certain treatments

I said you lost me when you called it a religion okay well people then alright I'm all about big fat clubs for cool people

that's fine but the many you call it organized religion I'm over it well brothers and sisters this is a big fat club for cool people

and we call it bonoboville bonoboville this is where we practice the bonobo way it is not a religion it is a philosophy

that we base on the behavior of the bonobos which we have observed primatologically to be a very amazing behavior

it's very close to human because they have a lot of sex but they're a little different than humans in that they have never been seen

killing each other in the wild or captivity they make peace through pleasure brothers and sisters and to me that is the greatest value that any religion

any belief system any person can aspire to is to really make peace through pleasure and so

we love the bonobos I think the best kind of war ever yeah like we just locked eyes we were like could you imagine that war

that's right brothers and sisters that's the kind of war that uses dildos and vibrators and not guns and ammo a women

so you know practice the bonobo way give to the bonobo foundation so that we can help save the bonobos and adopt

bonobos who are being killed in the wild and yeah yeah just try to love one another right that is the

message of religion and yet it's a message that's in our hearts we don't need religion to tell us that we might need religion because

like you say a school social club you want to go there you want to