Sex Addicts

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You're listening to Radio Susie One on the World Wide Web and now here she is, Dr. Susan Block. Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists, voyeurs and connoisseurs, masturbators and fornicators, wankers and spankers, sex birds, sex pots, and sex addicts, and sex addictionologists, and sex addiction mythologists.

Are you children of sex? And we are all children of sex. Maybe we're all children of sex addicts. But in any case, we are all children of sex.

I mean, we may or may not be children of God. Jesus, Allah, Brahma, Buddha, Ramadhamadhamma. Until we start cloning ourselves, we are all children of sex. I want to welcome you to the womb room of Dr. Susie Speakeasy in the soul of downtown LA.

It's the second Saturday night of masturbation month, if you're tuned in live. Yes, I hear some applause out there from the masturbation addicts. Absolutely. Still stroking it halfway into the month. Yep, every day is masturbation day or hour or year.

But in masturbation month, we talk about it. And we honor it, and maybe we experiment with new things like a Sybian. Anyway, we had a great masturbation month kick off last Saturday with many Sybian rides and much masturbation talk.

And tonight, we are going to talk about, well, masturbation addiction. Is it real? Are you a masturbation addict? Is it a myth? Do you think it's something just concocted up by media and therapists like sex addiction? How about that? Are you a sex addict? Do you wish you were a sex addict,

so you could blame your sexual problems on something that is out of your control? It kind of feels good to just leave it up to the doctors. Rehab. That's what I need. Sex addiction. Everybody's talking about it.

I mean, one celebrity after another. I think the latest would John Travolta, right? Wasn't he caught doing something with a masseuse? Isn't he going to eventually, somebody going to say he's a sex addict?

I mean, I don't know if he'll say he is. He hasn't said that. But somebody has to say it. They say it about every celebrity that gets caught doing something sexual. Besides maybe kissing their wife, you know, or husband.

And even that, I mean, Al Gore took too long, didn't he? He's a sex addict. And now look, they're divorced. See? He's a sex addict.

Well, so many, many possibilities for sex addict, right? I mean, there's Clinton and all kinds of possibilities. David Juchovny, right? Tiger Woods, right?

Weiner's Weiner. So many. And how about you? Has anyone ever told you that you're a sex addict? Well, we're going to talk about it tonight.

Figure out if you're a sex addict. Figure out if sex addiction is real. Or is it a myth? And my featured guest tonight is going to be the author of this book,

The Myth of Sex Addiction. It's a great book. I just finished it. So run out and get it, or get it through Dr. Susan Block.com. You can get it right through the front page on Amazon,

but we get like three cents if you get it through our website. That's right. You can get to Kindle right now and follow along, okay? The Myth of Sex Addiction by Dr. David Lay, a clinical psychologist,

and my technical staff is running around. I'm not sure what the problem is. Everything's fine. Oh, everything's fine? Okay.

Absolutely. So can we say hi to him? Can we bring him on? We're going to say hi right now. Okay. All right.

You'll wait one second. Okay. Well, so this is the book, and I have some other interesting guests that are with me tonight, but I don't think I can probably introduce them yet, either,

because, yeah, okay, okay. So I'll introduce them, and then we'll get Dr. Lay on. So first of all, I have the lovely San Francisco, sweetie, Ava Lynn.

Hello. Welcome, Ava. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

To the latest chapter of Sex Addicts Anonymous. You didn't know that, did you? You thought you were going on a show. No, I knew.

Right. So you're a beautiful girl. Thank you. And you're a porn star. And are you a sex addict?

I don't know. I'm here to find out. Okay. Has anyone ever called you that?

I've called myself that. Oh, you have. I've called myself a sex addict, but then I've been having so much sex lately

that I'm actually getting tired of having sex. But then I would have, like, a binge, you know, just like alcohol. I would have a, you know, a party binge,

and then for, let's say, a week, I would not have any sex, and then all of a sudden I just have, like, this rage, and I just want to fuck everything.

Well, I guess that's like eating. If you don't eat for a while, you get hungry. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, I mean,

maybe you need a daily ration of sex, and then you won't binge so much. On the other hand, I mean, what's wrong with a little binging,

as long as you practice safe sex? Yeah. Always. But it made you feel like a sex addict,

maybe a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I would think about it. I'm like, okay, I do porn.

And sometimes I even ask myself, how did I ever get into porn? Because beforehand, beforehand I was doing, you know,

just nine to five jobs. Right. And then all of a sudden I just did porn, and I'm like, you know, so nasty on camera.

Yes, you are. Yeah. And we love it. But do you love it?

I mean, do you like being nasty? I do. You do? I do.

So it's not like you're, you know, you're conflicted about it? No. No?

Okay. No. But how about the folks back home? Oh, everybody knows.

Yeah. In my family. And how are they with that? They're cool.

Yeah. And okay. Well, I want to introduce my, so Ava, you hang tight,

and we'll figure out if you're a sex addict in just a minute. And maybe have some, Mary masturbation month, by the way. Oh.

Did you masturbate yet today? I did. You did? Right before I came here.

Oh. No, seriously. Take the edge off. I'm honest.

Really? Yeah. Okay. Did you take pictures?

No, I did. Oh. Okay. Well, it's good to have some private moments.

Yeah. And now we have Starry Knight. Hello, Starry. Hello, beautiful.

How are you? I know you're a Twitter addict. Kind of. I just got one, so.

Oh, okay. A new thing can sometimes make you do it obsessively, right? Yeah. Right.

And you're a budding, what? Sex star, porn star, BDSM addict? I just signed in as a porn star. I've been doing BDSM for seven years.

Love that. Love that. I'm just a pervert. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Okay. I do cam work. I dance.

I... What do I not do? So you're like a sexual performer. Yes.

Of different sorts. Yes. Very much so. And sex addict?

I have yet to be called a sex addict. I have been called very sexual. Well, that's good. Very sexual is very nice.

Sex addict is a little bit mean, you know, to call somebody sex addict. Unless you're kind of making a joke. Oh, no. I don't think I take any blame in it.

I'd be like, ah, well. Yeah. All right. So, well, welcome.

And Mary masturbation month. Did you masturbate yet today? Sure did. On camera.

You did? Okay. You shared it with your peeps? With a whole bunch of my fans.

Yeah. I see. Okay. Well, good.

And it was good for you? Oh, my God. I had someone come in. It was amazing.

He gave me denial play. Denial play. He kept leaving. He'd leave my private show.

And then come back five minutes later. I'm like, oh, it's going to be one of those days. I loved it, though. I got addicted to it.

I did for the day. I sure did. Oh, there you go. What does addiction mean?

I really have to find out this. And your significant other is right here? Yes, he is. And this is DK.

Oh, no, I don't think we're on right now. Well, okay. So we don't, I'm sorry. You were not allowed to speak.

There's the first for everything. Yeah. It's okay. So, all right.

Well, I'm just not, I thought I was going to introduce my, my author guest right now. But I think some other things are happening. So, all right. So Starry.

Where are you from? I'm from Texas. I'm a preacher's daughter. That's why things get very interesting.

What's your name? I'm not denominational. Just Christian. Just Christian.

Uh-huh. My stepdad was raised to me and he was a shepherd in the church. Then I guess you could figure out why you turned out the way I did. Ah, well, you know, a lot of porn stars do come from religious backgrounds.

How about you, Eva? I grew up Catholic. Catholic? Like going to church Catholic?

Or just kind of? Like, alter boy type of Catholic. Ah. Yes.

Oh, she gave it away. Yes, I did. I have a penis. I'm glad you did.

I wasn't gonna. I was going to see, you know. But you're so beautiful as a female. But yes, you have a penis.

Yes, I did. And you were, you were born a boy. You were an alter boy. And, and when did you start feeling as an alter boy that you wanted to be a girl?

As far as I can remember, I've always felt that I was different. Not necessarily feeling like I was a girl. But I've always felt that I was not a boy. Maybe you thought that you were an angel.

I can imagine that you as a little alter boy just thinking, I'm not a boy, I'm an angel. And then, well, the closest thing to an angel I can be on earth might be a girl. I don't know.

Absolutely gorgeous one, too. Oh my God. So did you start transitioning early? I did in high school.

So I met a transsexual in the Philippines because I went to high school in the Philippines. I met a transsexual there who kind of showed me the ropes and told me what hormones to take and stuff. Well, lucky you that it's been going so smoothly. And you're just, you are a smooth girl who used to be a boy.

Hey, what the hell? So I think we're ready to get our guest author on the line, Dr. David Lay, author of The Myth of Sex Addiction. There he is.

Hello. Hello, Dr. Lay. Hi, Susan. Thanks for having me.

Well, welcome. Now you are not only the author of an exceptionally good, well-researched book, but you are our first Skype guest. So we apologize for that.

So you're a Skype virgin? Yeah, yeah, this is our virgin. We're virgins with having Skype on our show as being able to look at this. So it is kind of exciting.

So there's your office. Okay. Just, okay, well, I'm trying to look at you and then I see me. Okay.

So I think I see degrees on the wall. All right. I'm just looking and seeing if I see any masturbation implements in the room, but I don't.

I do see Skype on the wall though. Keep present drawers for the way. Okay. Well, your book is fabulous.

I want to just ask you a few questions to explain some things that even though I read your book, I still feel like I need you to explain this one thing to start with, which is what is sex addiction? You know, sex addiction is a lot of things.

I think that one thing is it's just another way for people who are afraid of sex to try and take away or suppress the sexuality that other people enjoy. But 150 years ago, they told us that it would make us go blind. It didn't, but now they tell us that you'll get addicted to it and you'll lose your relationships

and your job and your life and everything else. Yeah. Now, of course, you're referring right there with the going blind mainly to masturbation and it is masturbation month.

It is masturbation month. You know, it's a funny story. I tell it in the myth of sex addiction. Benjamin Rush was a physician and a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

He's actually referred to by the people who support the idea of sex addiction as one of their forebears, you know, that he was talking about sex addiction 150 years ago before it was cool, right? Right.

Okay. Benjamin Rush believes he is the guy that we have to blame for the belief that masturbation makes you go blind. He also believed that the way to cure it was to use leeches.

We've moved beyond leeches and hopefully we've moved beyond the idea that masturbation makes you go blind. But it could brand you as a sex addict or a masturbation addict. That is kind of the problem.

You know, both your guests indicated that they have masturbated today. And for a while, one of the criteria of being a sex addict was having an orgasm a day, which would put a lot of people in jeopardy. Now, the interesting thing is for multi-orgasmic people,

if you have a busy night, you can ruin your average for the whole week. Yeah. Yeah, it does seem that way. So let's get into a little bit of history.

I mean, the gentleman that really kind of... Maybe he didn't coin the term sex addiction. That was Mr. Rush, or Dr. Rush. But Patrick Carnes, a prison psychologist, he came up with sex addiction.

Yeah, interestingly enough, Patrick was a prison psychologist and had a background working with Alcoholics Anonymous, a 12-step group providing support for those folks who struggle with alcoholism. And he was seeing what he thought were sexual behavior problems

in people that he worked with in prison. And in the early 80s, he published a book called Out of the Shadows, which really put sex addiction on the market. It really introduced society to the idea that sex could be dangerous and scary.

Now, I think it's really interesting when and how that happened. Now, Patrick argues that he saw this kind of behavior in problems back in the 70s. He didn't publish on it until the 80s. The other thing that was happening in the 80s as he was publishing his book

was that HIV and AIDS was all of a sudden a scary presence in our society. All of a sudden, men, especially, men who went out and had uncontrolled sex could endanger their lives and the lives of other people around them. So all of a sudden, sex became something not only scary but deadly.

Now, in the 70s, sex was fun, but in the 80s, society took a turn to the right and decided that sex was really only safe or healthy when it involved a relationship or reproduction. Well, actually, a lot of people were having sex in the 80s,

maybe more than in the 70s, except the media, it seemed, and the pundits were all turning on sex and this whole thing. And one thing that you bring up in the myth of sex addiction is the similarity to the nymphomania scare of yesteryear.

I guess nymphomaniacs were really the disease of the early part of the 20th century among women, it's like women that wanted too much sex were nymphos and we joke about nympho and I know a lot of girls say, oh, I'm a nympho, but really it was a terrible thing

to be called a nymphomaniac way back when. It was a scary thing for hundreds of years. This went on for a long time, for hundreds of years, women who were called nymphomaniacs had terrible things done to them.

I mean, they had their clitorises removed for the love of God because they were... They still do for the love of God or Allah or whoever. Right, yeah.

So, yeah, but sex addiction is a little bit more of a men's disease, if you will. I mean, we don't think it's a disease, but it's kind of called a disease and some women are sex addicts, I guess, but it seems like more men get accused of that and come out as sex addicts.

That certainly is one of the things I talk about a lot in the myth of sex addiction, that, you know, nymphomania was a social response to female sexuality that society judge was too scary and too powerful. Sex addiction is a social response to male sexuality

and 85 to 94% of alleged sex addicts are men. The behaviors that are all identified as potentially sexually addictive are behaviors that are typically, prototypically, more predominant and more popular among men.

These include masturbation, use of pornography, going to strip clubs, infidelity. All of these things are certainly things that women do, but 100 years of research tells us that men do it more.

Now, I think that one of the things that was going on here, and I argue that sex addiction is a lot of things. It's a very powerful kind of idea in our media and the reason it's so powerful is because of all these things.

One of the things that happened is that also right around the 1980s, society took a turn and we started applying some of the same rules and expectations that we'd had for women to men so that for thousands of years men could get away with having multiple wives,

having concubines, having harems. Powerful men were allowed to have as many women as they wanted so long as they did what they needed to to run society. But all of a sudden, that didn't become okay.

In the 1960s, Kennedy had lots of oral sex in the White House. Clinton had apparently one episode of oral sex and got impeached. What changed? Well, we started applying the same rules to men that we'd applied to women

for thousands of years. What happened, though, is all of a sudden we came up with the idea of sex addiction. It's not men's fault that they do this. Sex is just too powerful for them to control.

And it's a disease that then we get to send them to a country club treatment program for 30 days and say it's not their fault, it's all better. Now that out of control, that's a very powerful concept. It's a scary concept and yet it's a sexy concept.

I know a lot of my clients as a sex therapist are all grappling with control issues and often fantasize about being out of control, whether it's being submissive or being intoxicated, swept away, or they get into this idea that they're a sex addict

and that they can't control their like, my dick has a mind of its own. I can't control it, I can't keep it in my pants. What am I going to do?

And they love it. It's not that they really believe it because, of course, it only happens on weekends or when they want it to happen. But it's so compelling and so downright erotic.

I think that's part of the popularity of this is a lot of people want to be out of control and they want to be sex addicts on some level even though, of course, to be branded a sex addict

is hell with their reputation. One of my favorite research studies of sex addicts they compared the number of sex partners that alleged sex addicts had

versus the number of sex partners that alleged non-sex addicts wanted to have. They were the same number. The sex addicts were having the kind of sex

that the non-sex addicts wanted to have. There you go. I think that's the difference. Jealousy, that's part of it too.

That's part of what gets people all excited when the celebrities get caught. It's like, yeah, how can he get away with that? I want to do that.

I don't get to do that. Jealousy and fear. I want to do that, but oh my god, if I gave into that desire,

look at the devastation that could happen. And, you know, I think that, you know, I do a lot of sexuality work just like you and one of the things I hear from people

over and over and over is that during adolescence they tried to stop masturbating. They tried to give it up and every person that has ever told me that

has then told me they failed. That they started masturbating again. I don't think anyone can give it up. Yeah, and why would you?

It's masturbation month. I mean, you've got to make up for the whole year this month. Yeah, exactly. And I think everybody who looks back at that experience

and says, oh wow, you know, my sexual desires were too powerful. I can understand how the sexual desires of these people could just get away from them.

And then they look at their husbands and wives and say, wow, maybe he's a sex addict because he wants sex more than me. He must be out of control.

Yeah. So I have a couple of guests here. I think we introduced them already. So you guys, do you have some questions

or confessions to make with our guest? Eva, Stari, CK? It's DK, actually. DK.

OK, right. I'll get addicted to it. I don't, myself, have any questions at this moment in time. I'm still kind of saturating exactly what he was saying there.

There's a lot of really good information, actually. I think that he is sharing. And quite honestly, I think there's a little bit of a sex addict in everybody.

I think that people do suffer some of the repressions that society has put onto us. And with that said, I think that there's a lot to explore that a lot of people have not even given themselves a chance

to explore at this point in their lives. Even if they think they've explored something in their lives, I don't really believe that people have really flourished upon what truly could be their true sexuality

or what is their true expression. Well, if there's a little bit of a sex addict in everybody and I can't disagree with that, then there's no meaning to the phrase.

I mean, that's like saying it's part of our humanity. Then to call some people a sex addict and other people aren't, then that's no good. I mean, we can't classify anyone as a sex addict

if everyone's a little bit of a sex addict, which, by the way, I kind of agree with, that we've all got this in us. Which also means we're normal.

Well, very agree. You know, let me ask. I mean, a couple of your guests are erotic performers. One of the ideas in the field of sex addiction

is that erotic performers are there because they're addicted to sex, because their sex drive is too powerful for them to control and that they have to do this.

Because you don't say that in your book about porn stars, but I was wondering, is that something that the sex addiction industry or what you call the sex addictionologist

would say about porn, that you're all sex addicts? You're all sex addicts and you're a drug. Oh, right. Well, I knew that because of course the people who are masturbation addicts,

they need the porn stars. That's their drug to get off. But unless, of course, they're just watching, you know, their own movie.

Wait a minute, I used to jerk off to Veronica and Archie. I don't need porn stars. Right, right. Well, that's true. I grew up in the 50s and there's nonsense.

I mean, I was jerking off to Veronica and Archie and all those guys, even Bugs Bunny. Oh my goodness. So it's true that the sex addiction industry

does call porn stars for the most part, sex addicts because you fit those definitions. I mean, I forget what they are, but one of them is that you're not having sex

for some other reason, any other reason, but love and that puts you in the category of sex addict, right? I could see that it could be a need of expression, for example, especially in a performer's aspect.

There's a lot of times where what gets us off and what really gets us going is the fact that we're in front of others doing these expressions, what we consider art, which may be sexual to others.

And for that it is a level of excitement. I think it's sexual to you. But if you have to get a heart on, it's got to be sexual. From time to time, I mean, I don't think that everything

that I do is going to give me a heart on. Actually for some girls, maybe it doesn't have to be sexual, but I think for guys that are doing it, it does. Well, what are visual creatures for sure?

Well, I also don't believe that porn stars are sex addicts. There's a lot of porn stars and you know, Susan, over the years we must have interviewed hundreds and hundreds of them.

Some of them do it for the money. Oh, yeah. And they don't masturbate at home. They don't have an orgasm.

They don't do any of that. But they get paid X number of dollars per scene. Well, doing it for the money, wouldn't that make you a sex addict according to the sex addiction?

That makes you a money addict. Or does that make you a money addict? I consider you a professional in your trade. Not really.

Somebody's addicted to what they're exactly doing. Wait, wait. Okay. So Dr. Le, what about that?

Now, you got me off my train of thought, DK. That's because I didn't know I was given the right name. Porn stars, porn stars in a lot of ways would meet the definitions of sex addiction.

Because you're right, they're having sex when they are not in love. It's not in the context of an intimate relationship. They're having sex not necessarily

because they are turned on. There are lots of things. And here's the thing, the sex addiction field says things like exhibitionism, kinky sex, bondage and discipline

are things that if you start having them, you can't stop having them. And it will take over your life. And it will turn you into a rapist or a pedophile

or just a scum of the earth. Slippery slow. It's all that move. Yeah.

Stari, you look like you have something you want to say. Because I do. I'm very heavy in the BDSM world, especially here in the LA scene.

Me and my husband talk about this all the time. I'm addicted to the ID network. I love watching those shows. And of course you have the ones that come on.

They're talking about somebody who never done BDSM before but then all of a sudden their crime they committed has something to do with it. To me, sex, BDSM, masturbating,

it's like going to a therapist without paying for it. I mean, you can use that. I mean, think, okay, I'm a submissive. I help out that.

I enjoy things like rape play. I enjoy things like that. Guess what? Maybe I'm helping somebody that does have that problem

to curb it. I think an incredible amount of trust and personal health to be able to do that. Things that the field of sex addiction says

you can't have if you're into that kind of stuff. It's too dangerous. So they would say you can't... I mean, even just being into BDSM

qualifies you as a sex addict. Let alone having rape fantasies that you act out. I mean... Well, it's sort of a problem.

And let me say there are some careful folks in the field of sex addiction that would not support that. But there are 99% of them that would. Because what sex addiction is, is a way to say

the kind of sex that you're having is sick and I don't like it and it must be a disease. And there are lots of people out there that do that. There's a group that attacked Planned Parenthood

the other day and said that Planned Parenthood is trying to create sex addiction in kids as a way to spread disorder throughout society. Yeah.

And of course there's so much bogusness in that statement. You don't know where to start. And that's the thing is everyone loves to use that term addiction. It's almost like we're addicted to using the term.

Yeah. Where's the 12 step group we can go to to stop using that word? I don't think we can.

I think we have to accept that we like that word because we like this idea that we can't control ourselves or on the other hand that people we don't like can't control themselves or people that are doing things

we don't like, this out of control thing. This whole idea of taking responsibility for your actions is really boring and disturbing, I think, to a lot of people. They love giving it up.

It's one of the reasons BDSM is so popular and the popular thing is to be a sub. It's like, yeah, beat me. I'm an addict.

I'm a submissive. I'm no good. I'm a loser. People eat that up.

And they eat up watching others go through it too being beaten by the media. It's like watching Joan of Arc being burned at the stake. It's entertainment.

Watching the Christians being thrown to the lions or the Christians hanging the witches either way. It's entertainment. But the problem is and the reason that Dr. Lay's book

is so important, even though we, of course, love entertainment here on the Dr. Susan Block show, is that it's kind of bad science and bad... Tell us more about why it's so bad

to be calling everybody sex addicts like this, Dr. Lay. I think it's bad in a number of ways. First, I already mentioned this one group that was attacking Planned Parenthood.

There are morality-based groups. A great majority of the folks that are out there pushing the idea of sex addiction are coming at it from a moral base

of religious values that say, monogamy is best, infidelity will send you to hell, kind of stuff. And I don't want those folks telling me

what to do in my bedroom. And if we give them the power to label sex that they don't like as a disease, that's what we're doing.

Secondly, I think that sex is a very powerful, positive, healthy part of our lives. I am actually sickened by the idea of taking this very powerful, healthy thing

and calling it equivalent to a drug, calling it a disease. It gives people the ability to control our sex in a very negative, unhealthy way

that I don't trust. And then lastly, I think it takes away from masculinity. You know, I'm a man, and the idea that

my sex drive is so powerful that I can't control it and I'm not responsible for what I do, I think that's abominable.

You know, that is tantamount to me saying that, well, it wasn't my fault I raped that girl because I got too turned on. That's almost like saying,

well, if she hadn't been dressed that way I wouldn't have gotten so turned on and I wouldn't have done it. That's ridiculous.

Hallelujah. That's where the idea of sex addiction goes. And it's also a money-making scheme by a lot of therapists that can't make it in other fields.

And this is an easy one to call people names and then go in and try and cure them. And there's another danger too when you're getting a divorce

or when there's custody battles, when you're a publisher like myself and you're called a sex addict and put in prison because you're publishing magazines

and they point at you and then they start to call you depraved and call you all kinds of names. So it's a lot of name calling

to a very natural event that happens to all of us. When I was younger, I was a sex addict too. I was fucking every woman I could find in the chorus line. You know, am I a sex addict?

I'm not a sex addict. I just love sex. Now you fuck every woman in one. But you also get to feel up a lot of others.

I don't feel anybody up. Yes, you do. I've got pictures of it. So, we believe in being monogamish

like Dan Savage. And that's what helps keeps us together because, you know, monogamy is tough. It really is.

And people out there that say that if you have trouble with monogamy that that makes you a sex addict. God, it's just...

I also, you know, after all these years of doing this we have a lot of therapists that come here. And let me tell you about sex addiction.

Some of these guys, that's all they can figure out to do, to get some sex. And I have very straight therapists that come here who are trying to figure out

how they can get laid. And so I think a lot of this is a lot of repressed therapists. I'm sorry.

A lot of repressed therapists. I doubt because if you go out publicly and say you don't believe in sex addiction, which I have,

you get labeled a sex addict. Those therapists who many of them used to be sex addicts themselves. Okay, of course.

And for the ways they got control of their sexuality was by calling it a disease, suppressing it in that way. Like St. Augustine.

And then going and telling other people how to do that. They then look at somebody like me who's threatening that belief and say that I must be a sex addict.

That I must spend so much time masturbating that I had to write a book to defend myself against the idea I'm addicted to sex. Now, I don't understand how I would have had time

to write the book if I was jerking off all the time. That's their idea. Now, I noticed you have some hair on your palm.

What is that? Yeah. Now, one of your colleagues almost called in tonight,

Dr. Rob Weiss. He wanted to. And he said that he doesn't... I guess he thinks

that you've got a lot of good points in your book. But he's also a sex addiction therapist here in Los Angeles. And he's kind of, you know,

this is his thing. And there's a lot of livelihoods out there that you're threatening. It's like...

I know a lot of them. I just was at the Quad S, meaning the Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality, where I did a talk on bonobos,

which was great, you know. And, of course, bonobos are all the sex addicts of the animal world. They're just having sex all the time.

And they do go to show you that if you believe in sex addiction, it's not just a human thing. Animals are like that, too.

Actually, that brings up a great point. Let me ask you. And I love the Bonobo research. I think it's fascinating.

Bonobo doctor. One of the differences between alcohol and drugs and sex is that with alcohol and drugs,

there are animal models. We can get rats and monkeys addicted to alcohol and drugs. There is not an animal model for sex.

No. The Bonobos all like to have sex all the time. And yet they're still alive. Yet they still have, you know,

an animal society. And that's the argument of sex addiction, is that if you like sex too much and you have too much of it,

that your life will fall apart. But the Bonobos are a great example that it ain't true. You say Bonobo.

I say Bonobo. But we're not going to call the whole thing off because we have to save Bonobos. The Bonobos are our kissin' cousins

and they're very endangered. And they could help us save ourselves because they know how to make peace through pleasure.

Maybe if we were all sex addicts with big quotation marks around it, like the Bonobos, then we wouldn't have war anymore, you know?

That's what the Bonobos kind of show us. And I did get to talk about that at Quades, but it was funny how there was, there were people there.

Dr. Hong was there, who is a real sex addict therapist. And it's like different contingents. It's definitely a war zone

in sex therapy land on the subject of sex addiction. I do want to say that, you know, yeah, I agree that men tend to be more

likely to be sex addicts or to be accused of being sex addicts or to get into the kind of obsessive behaviors that sex addictionologists like to call sex addiction.

But there are some women, interesting cases of women, including a woman that just called me last night as a client for the first time

and was crying and told me she is a sex addict. And I, of course, you know, say all over my website that I don't believe in sex addiction, but I use sex addiction as a keyword.

Okay, I'm not above that. And so I want to get all those people thinking they're sex addicts to call me. Anyway, she's one and she told me she's sex addict

and was just in tears and people had called her a sex addict and she just felt she was sex addict because she was masturbating so much.

And as I talked to her, it came out that she just got divorced and she's coming out of the closet lesbian and she's in Tennessee.

And she's scared to come out and to be who she wants to be and she wants to transition. She wants to be a man.

She was talking to me about, you know, packing and taking hormones and can I do this, can I do this? And, you know, I think there's just so many people out there

like her and men like that too that want something a little bit different sexually and then feel that they're a sex addict. And if she went to the wrong therapist,

if she went to a sex addictionologist, who knows how long it would have taken to get to the point where she could say, hey, I want to be a man.

I feel like I'm in the wrong body and I want to be with women. That's why I divorced my husband. You know, I don't know how long it would have taken her

and that is why it's important that your book is out here, Dr. Lay. You know, that's such a great example because so much of the idea of sex addiction

that comes from within is when your libido conflicts with what society tells you you should be or feel or experience.

And so when we have those conflicting desires, we end up saying, oh my God, this is something that's really difficult for me to control. I wish these feelings could go away.

The problem there is, you know, is there anything wrong with this woman, A, getting divorced, B, having a libido, C, being interested in women

and D, being interested in changing her gender? No, there's nothing wrong with that. But the conflict is in society. So is society that's making this a disease?

If that woman lived in a society where those things were accepted and celebrated, she wouldn't be sick. Well, yeah.

Yeah, that's true. And she doesn't. And certainly she lives in the deep south. And so we need to get all the information

to her that we can. So Ava, you've transitioned. You must have, I mean, was it all easy to do? No, it's really hard.

It's the most difficult, horrible thing that I have ever went through in my life. But it's the main thing you went through in your life. Yeah, I mean, I'm thankful that I've gone through it

and I'm here and I'm stable. You know, I have the love of my family and friends. But when I was first transitioning, I didn't have the right support for my family

and I lost a lot of friends and I've gained new ones. So it was really hard. I went through a lot of discrimination. And I mean, you knew from the beginning

that you were different. Yeah. And that's what you said. But you didn't know how different or in what way.

And as you started to discover that, that you wanted to transition into being a woman, what do people say to you? Well, I was working at this job at the San Francisco airport.

I was a load planner and it was a very masculine, dominated environment. So I was always getting teased and people would call me a prostitute just because I was,

you know, a transsexual. You know, they were like, oh, you're going to end up a prostitute and you know, you're just trying to trick guys and trying to have sex with guys.

And that's, you know, it was becoming more about them instead of about me. Well, I imagine that it often is. As whenever people judge people,

it's about the person who's doing the judging. And I mean, you are so gorgeous and there are so many ties that have fantasies about transsexuals.

Oh, yeah. You know, it's just a huge thing, an underground thing, you know. Well, it's the most lucrative right now

in the porn industry. Oh, really? Well, all right. Well, I hope you're making a lot of money.

Well, I just wanted to make a comment about, you know, I've been analyzing and just taking all this information in. I do believe in sex addiction.

Yeah. You know, after hearing this conversation and just sitting here and listening. And what do you feel that it is?

Because I feel that there's anything that is pleasurable to the human mind is addictive. And sex is pleasurable to some people.

And now, Bill Clinton getting his dick sucked by someone for the first time, I don't think that that's enough justification

to call him a sex addict. But for me, I'm applying it to myself. There has been times where I'm like,

I'm so frickin' horny and if I don't have sex right now, I'm like gonna shoot myself, you know. So how would I explain that?

Should I go to AA and say, hey, you know, like I have this problem and I just can't control these urges? So, you know, I do have urges

that I just need to have sex, but it doesn't apply to, you know, with porn or anything like that because one more thing

that I have to say about the industry is that it's not just having sex on camera, it's actually acting. That's why it's called adult films

and we're adult actresses and actors. So we act in these films. It's not just like, you know, I mean, there's different kinds of films

in the adult industry. There's Gonzo, there's, you know, all this. But... Amateur.

Yeah, but there's also, you know, a lot of acting involved in some of these films that I do. Well, you're an actress.

I don't know if every porn performer, I don't know. I mean, I guess there are so many types. We gotta, you know, I mean, that's the thing.

I mean, because if we can be addicted to sex and you can be addicted to stockings or shopping or gambling or going to the gym

or working, I mean, then what are we talking about here? I mean, if we can be addicted to all those things, then addiction isn't a disease.

It's just having a strong feeling. Passion. Go ahead. Yeah, it just becomes

another word to describe those things we want and sometimes those things we want so badly that we're willing to make bad decisions around them. You know, there's research that shows

if you take people and you show them porn and you have them masturbate and you ask them questions during the porn or before the porn,

people make worse decisions when they're turned on. We all know that. We all know that you can be turned on and do things or have kind of sex

or have sex with people that you wouldn't normally do when you're not turned on. That is part of human nature. We have a powerful sex drive

so that we mate and reproduce. It's part of the way God or evolution or a benevolent, you know, mother nature and us.

I think your Skype picture froze. You might have to restart. I don't know. Did it freeze or something?

I think that might be on his end. He has to do something. Anyway, well, I think that, yeah, I think that Dr. Lay's book,

What He's Addressing as a Myth is really the way that the sex addiction industry exploits people's sort of sex drives, our different types of sex drives.

And, you know, I think we're going to have to make our peace with the fact that we use this word sex addiction. We use this word addiction, whether it's applying it to our hobbies

or our weaknesses or our passions. But maybe this is something that's got to do with, you know, the therapy business, the therapy industry. Should it be classified as a disorder?

That's where I think no, it should not be a disorder. Otherwise, we're getting back to the old days of Nymphomania. It is something we need to get control of. We need to each individually get control of our sex drives

and our sexual feelings. We always have to do that. Just like we have to do that with food and with a lot of basic things in life.

But is it a disorder? That's the other thing. You know, there are so many folks out there like you who are, have a high libido, who enjoy sex,

who make sex fun and are responsible with sex. You know, your guest tonight, Ava, you guys are sexy people who enjoy sex and you make healthy decisions around your sex

because you're in control of your sexual desires and because you accept them. But if we treat our sexual desires as though they are something unhealthy

that we have to fight against, again, we're taking something that's healthy and positive in our lives and we're making it a disease or a disorder.

I agree with you, Susan. If we just want to call things that we want a lot an addiction, okay. But then we have to stop using the word sex addiction

to excuse men in court who go and spend thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars that's not theirs on prostitutes and then say, well, it's not my fault.

I'm a sex addict. Yeah, there you go. It shouldn't be a court excuse. That's right.

We have to take those things away. Yeah. Well, I think we're... I'm in agreement.

So I don't know if anybody else out here has a question or should we go on to the next part of the show. I think we're going to go on. So Max, where'd Max go?

I'm right here at the bar, actually. Oh, you're right there at the bar. We're listening very carefully. Jeff, one more question or statement you wanted to make

with Dr. May before we start writing the Sybian and stuff like that. No, there's a couple of few people here, so I'm going to ask them, here's just such a thing as sex addiction.

I don't think so. I mean, I love sex and I don't think it's an addiction and you just enjoy it, period. Okay.

All right. And who else do we have here at the bar? Of course, this is a bar. These are a bunch of drunks.

That's right. These are a bunch of drunk sex addicts. You know, come on. These guys are all sex addicts and alcoholics.

Liam, could you come over here, please? I want to ask you, is there such a thing as sex addiction? I believe so. I believe that because during sex, you're...

Yeah. What are you, a Republican? He's given that response. That's for sure.

Take strike that. Well, I want to find out why. You just move on. Where are you at now in the bar?

I don't know. I'm at the bar. I'm at the bar drinking. You're drinking, obviously.

All right. So do you have anybody else there that wants to... Yeah. I have Anna is here.

Yeah. Is there such a thing as sex addiction, Anna? Oh, yes. Another Republican.

I want to hear from Tejas. Is she over there? Tejas is right here. Okay.

What does she think? Actually, she should come out here in her outfit. Oh, okay. Go out there in your outfit.

Come on up here. Tell us. Okay. Now that's really sexist.

Okay. Well, I know. I'm very sexist. It's like I hear her.

She has a dolphin with her. Yeah. That's very phallic looking. Okay.

Let's get a microphone. Okay. She's a baby. Now, here come the sex.

Looks like she's going swimming in BDSM garb or something. Okay. Here. What do you need?

Oh, here. Okay. We're all tangled. Okay.

So this is what sex addiction looks like. Totally. Right. This is how you're going to look.

This one is humping fish now. All right. Are you sex addict? Are you now or have you ever been?

Okay. She doesn't have a microphone. She's not on. Okay.

Here. Take her. Okay. Put your headsets on.

Can you do that with those ears on? Yeah, really? Okay. Now her mic's not on.

Hello. There you are. Okay. This is my blow-up doll.

All right. Very nice. That's my joke. Are you a sex addict?

Can you tell? Oh, hell yeah. Talk to the microphone. Oh.

Yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Definitely absolutely.

I don't think that's... That's what's ruined all my relationships and is, you know, just ruined my life. I don't think that's legal in California humping blow-up fish. Yeah.

It's a blow-up doll. I saw your blow-up doll. It's such a sex addict. How come you came to work for me?

Why didn't you go to a sex addiction therapist? Because I don't feel bad about it. It's not a problem. I see.

Okay. Okay. So in other words, you could be a sex addict and prowl. Yes.

I was dropping young buck because I have lots of sex. Dr. Suzy, Dr. Suzy, it's become very hip to say that you are a sex addict. I love saying it. Okay.

Yes, it has been. What do you think about that, Dr. Suzy? Imagine you're not a sex addict. I love to say they're sex addicts.

Yeah. When you take it as a stance of pride embracing your libido and say, yeah, I'm a sex addict because I love sex. I can't get enough of it.

And it's a wonderful part of my life. Kudos to you. And I think more of us should be saying that to take that back from the people who want to make sex something dangerous. I think that's the thing we have to do because it is such a popular word.

Okay. It's a word that we're all using. It's like slut. I mean, a lot of people are proud sluts.

Yes. They had slut walks. Maybe we should have proud sex addict walks. You know?

No, that's good. Let's take that word back. Let's do a proud sex addict walk. Can I say something real quick?

Yes. Well, I do think that it's a dangerous thing if people are not aware and not careful of what they're getting themselves into. Thank you. Because there is a lot of, just in my opinion, the reason why the media is trying to imply

all these ideas in people's minds is because of first, population control, and second, you know, just with the whole SCD thing. The population has to be controlled. Oh, yes.

I believe so. I think the population should be controlled. I think so. But I think you don't do that through calling people sex addicts.

Murder. Actually, murder. There you go. A tacious plan.

I mean, acceptance of sex as a recreational thing as opposed to just a procreational thing, I think that that goes a long way towards helping with population control. It's so fun, though, to have sex. Yeah, that's the problem.

It's very fun. But, you know, it gives birth control. It makes you happy. When you repress, you pervert.

And that's why all the little boys get molested because they're so damn sexy. Tasia, see? It's slow. You're sliding.

Yeah, well, you know, and there's no doubt that sex is dangerous. Okay? It is. It's like driving the freeway.

You know? Oh, yeah. I mean, you've got to put on your seat belt. Oh, wait, no, it's less dangerous.

Fuck STDs. Fuck kids. Yeah. I think it's going to get you to the point.

A lot of people around the world die driving cars. Millions. So, Justin from Adult Play Parlor wants to say that sex addiction is more of a stigma from society.

I think he's agreeing with us. I thought it said Adolf Play Parlor. Adolf. No, that's adult play.

And we do have adult play parlor toys. We should give, well, we have some adult play. One. They haven't given us any lately.

But we have a few. We have a mixed with some pocket rockets. So, I'm going to give them out to our guests. But we also have a sip.

Well, we do. But first you're going to get your free toys. Okay, so you can get yourself warmed up. Right there.

I'm sad. I'm on Skype. I don't get it. I know.

You don't get a pocket rocket or an adult play parlor toy. There is no teleporter there. Oh, if you get it, you have to play with it. Okay.

You're going to play with that big thing in front of us? Oh, I can. All right. Wow.

It just looks like the same one that I did 30 minutes ago. Okay. I think we're going to descend now, Dr. Lay, into the getting laid part of the show. But, I mean, you're welcome to stick around with us.

But I do want to say that I think people want to try the Sybian, right? Woo! It's masturbation month. We have to celebrate.

We've got to do it. We're all keyed up from this scintillating discussion. Just a quarter. Ladies, step right up.

Step right up. I have to pee first. You have to pee. Yes.

That is the rules of the Sybian. You pee on him? No, no, no. I have someone for that.

Oh, you have someone? Someone here? No, I wish. Because I keep coming in handy right now.

All right. You have to keep him around. He lets me fucking me ass and pee on him. Oh, really?

Okay. You can't go wrong with that. Bastardy. No.

I haven't tried that one yet. Bastardy, if you're out there. So, you go, I guess, go pee or whatever. But make it quick.

Does she know where to pee or is she going to get lost? Oh, okay. She can pee here at the bar. Yeah.

Okay. Who's going to walk her to the ladies room real quick? They just got in. Okay.

Okay. So, now I'm abandoned. Right when I'm ready to start the... Okay.

I'm here, though, darling. Oh, okay. I'm here at the bar. Are you going to ride the Sybian with me?

No, no. I'm not riding no Sybian. I'm not a sex addict like you. Oh, yeah.

I am a sex addict, huh? And if we ever get a divorce, I get custody of the rubber doll. All right. Well, I would like to see something.

But first, I want to thank Dr. Leigh, myth of sex addiction. Can we have a hand, brothers and sisters? Yes. That was great.

Okay. That was great. Yeah. Thank you very much.

Everyone, go out and get the book. Try to get it through Dr. Susan Block.com. Yeah, because we can get three cents. Okay.

If three of you order it, it's nine cents. Yeah. And then if you've got good cents, you order... Everybody should have one.

The myth of sex addiction. It'll, you know, spin circles around your brain because you know you're a sex addict. Are we promoters or what? Sluts.

Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you, Susan. I really appreciate you having me on.

You guys have a great party. Oh, yeah. We're... Y'all come back soon.

Yeah. You should come over here like in LA on your next... We'll show you sex addiction. I'll let you know next time I'm there.

All right. So now... You can study sex addiction again. Yeah.

You can study sex addiction. Absolutely. Okay. So now, let's see.

We have our exciting in-studio guests now. It looks like the lovely Starry Knight has ascended the stage. And the lovely Ava. Can we see your outfit, Ava?

Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Okay.

Oh, wow. Look at this. Okay. We've got one camera guy over here on Ava and one camera guy over here on Starry.

And Starry looks like... What is that? Getting into the masturbation materials here. Ava, I would like to introduce you to a addictive ritual here that we do here at the Dr. Susan

Block show that involves this elixir of pleasure. Would you like to try it? It is Agua Coco-Leaf LeCur. What does it do?

Oh, well. You're going to put us all away. It will turn you into a bonobo. Coco-Leaf.

Jumping up and down. No, it's just an alcoholic beverage. Sex addiction? What?

No, no, no, no. It's not going to turn you into anything. What are you drinking there? It's probably the same thing.

I'm drinking vodka. Vodka. Oh, vodka. It's just like vodka.

Vodka is no good for your legs. Oh, look at this. No, wait a minute. I'm drinking vodka.

She's already naked. Pretty much. What's going on right here? We have some nakedness going on over here.

Here, come on up here. Who's controlling the dial? The craziness here. Master controls the dial.

Is Justin still on the line or did he drop off? No. Oh, this was a tweet, I guess, maybe. All right.

So now we have Starry Knight who is getting onto the Sybian, which you can get, by the way, at Dr. Susan Block.com slash Sybian. Only $1,300.

Cushy job. More or less. Oh, look at you. You look fabulous.

And you are on here. Okay, Starry is on the Sybian. That's only 10% of the way. DK is starting to turn it up, turning it up,

turning up the volume. Here, have a seat right down here. We'll just watch her get off now. Here she is.

Starry Knight is riding the Sybian for masturbation. Whoop. Whoop. Yep.

How far are we? She's topless. And she apparently has an adult play thing tucked away somewhere. Oh, well, she does have.

She did get an adult play part of a dildo. She's going to have an orgasm right here on the Sybian. You're listening to radio? Oh, God.

Oh, Max. 35% about now. We're only at 75% power on our Sybian. Oh, yeah.

Without an insertion. Is this your first time on the Sybian? Yes. Brothers and sisters.

I would say that was definitely a celebratory masturbation. We're all clapping at the bar here. We're very impressed. And we just pop some champagne and we're going to...

You've never been on a Sybian before. Why? I don't know what. So now you want one, don't you?

I do. Go to doctorsismblock.com slash Sybian. Oh, there we go. And how was that orgasm different for you than all other orgasms?

It was quicker. Oh. Numb. Are you hot?

Numb. No, just very relaxed. Numb. Coffee.

Mmm. Do you want more? Are you addicted? Are you becoming a Sybian addict?

I think so. Okay. Well, you can't have any now. Oh!

And now she wants it even more. You just put a quarter in it. No, soon you're going to have to show us what you do with that dildo you got. She ain't coming home tonight.

Remember the dildo? Oh, yeah. But in the meantime, you can get against yourself and drink. She'll be at the hotel in the go.

And I think, how about some agua shots, Teja? Very shaky. Mmm. Very shaky.

So, Ava. Hello. How are you doing? I'm good.

Were you impressed by that? Where are you from? It was. Yeah.

I don't think it would work for me. No? No. Well, I mean, it depends.

You know, it can really stimulate your butt. I mean, I've had some analgasm. You know, leaning back on it. You could put a kind of an attachment on it.

I mean, if you like, would you like? I don't know if I want to shove things in my butt right now. Right. Well, how about, what do we, what do we got over here?

She looks like she's having breakfast. Okay. All right. All right.

Well, this, we are now going to do our agua ritual. Here we go. Thank you. Balls up.

Balls up. Okay. And wait with the salt. We need the salt.

Okay. And so, let's see. Who's going to, maybe someone should demonstrate. This is, we put the salt on to a body part and then you lick it off and take your shot.

Otherwise known as a body shot. So, you want to share? Oh, no. The salt.

The salt. You don't need your own salt. There's plenty of salt in here probably. Yeah.

Okay. So now would you like to do this off of someone here? I mean, you know. I'm doing it on her with the permission of her master.

I think her master probably wouldn't mind, but permission? No. It's cool. It's cool.

Okay. So, here we go. So, nipple is good or any other part of her that you want to take it off of. So, first you would wet it with your tongue.

Wet with your tongue. Okay. Ah, there you go. And now, salt, salt.

That's very salty. How about you? You're not doing any? I might.

Body shot? I might. I might. Okay.

Cheers. But you're going to do yours now. Yeah, I can't. Yeah.

Okay. You're doing yours now. Very good. It's like a sour salt.

Right. And then it's a sweet drink. There you go. Oh, very good.

What do you think? Yummy. Yummy. Say it into your microphone.

Yummy. Right. Okay. So, it was yummy.

Well, good. Well, now it's one of our times. So, now we have the great reveal of your lovely boobs. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Pull them both down. Yeah. There you go.

Maybe we should each do one. Huh? Yeah. Yeah.

Here we go. Lovely nipples. And a little salt. Mm-hmm.

And... And... Huh? Yummy.

Huh? I'm addicted. Totally addicted to these boobs. Beautiful.

Mm-hmm. Okay. And they're hard. My nipples are hard.

Yes. They got hard. Hey, Doc. Yes.

Somebody shut me... Oh, there you go. Yes. Hey, Doc.

Yes, Max. You know who just walked in? Who? Max Hardcore.

Are you serious? I'm serious. Well, bring him on over here. Yeah, we're going to.

Yeah. Yeah, bring him on in here. Mm-hmm. Put in there?

Max Hardcore. Released again. Now, he's a sex addict. He's probably caused a lot of sex addiction.

You girls ever met Max Hardcore? No. No. Wow.

Who are we bringing up here? Sorry. Who is Max Hardcore? Oh, he's a bad man.

He's a very bad man. But he's also a very good man. That doesn't explain much. Oh, he's a nasty man.

All men are bad men. Yeah, I guess. Oh, well, there's that too. They're all sex addicts.

And he certainly is. And he's certainly caused a lot of sex addiction. There they are. Multiple.

He's the greatest of us. The greatest of the sex addicts. The male sex addicts. That Agua is making me really horny.

Yeah, really. Yeah. Well, we're here. You know, I've never been with a woman.

I'm a virgin. You've never been with a woman. Wow. Really?

I'm supposed to lose it on camera. Oh, well, you're on camera. I mean, really? So you've only been with guys?

Mm-hmm. Really? Well, that's it. I started having sex when I was really young.

How young? Like seven years old. Oh, poor thing. Did you want to do with it?

Max Hardcore, is that the bar? It was a pleasure for me. That's a little young. That's very young.

We don't approve of that. But, you know, it happened. You made the best of it. And here you are.

Yeah. So now I see a little bit more why you think there's sex addicts. Because, you know, if you were attacked at that age, you were a poor kid.

Well, brothers and sin. Yeah. Hey, brothers and sin. Come on over here.

We can't see. We're getting a drink and a blow job. And you were sex addicts. I do have one question.

She does masturbation. Yes. So when is the first time you masturbated? For me?

No worries. Oh. I was really young, too. You were eight.

Oh, when you masturbated. I was younger. I was younger. One of my first memories is masturbating.

Yeah, me too. You know, just holding myself and kind of trying to get it off. I remember. Justin is on line four.

I remember masturbating. Mr. Max here needs a hit. And I was like hiding, but people could see me, but I couldn't see them.

So I was like, oh, you can't see me. Hello. Hey, is that Justin? Yeah.

Hi, Justin. Hi, how are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm with the beautiful, amazing Ava and Starry Night.

Ava's so sexy. Look at those hard nipples. And I just had a really interesting conversation with Dr. David Lay, author of the Myth of Sex Addiction.

Yes. So you're a sex addict, right? Oh, yes. We are all sex addicts.

We are all sex addicts now. How do you get all these pretty women? We've been watching. I'm watching and listening to you at the same time.

Oh, okay. Well, I think, well, we don't have enough toys of yours left. We have to give away old pocket rockets now. But I know I just, hey, doctor.

We need to get some more. But you know, Starry Night got a dildo that she's going to try now. Where's your dildo?

Yeah? Yeah, you should shove it in for her. Yeah. I think we're going to use one of your toys.

Is it got the battery or is it just a dildo? Yeah, I've heard you guys are running out of toys. So what we're going to do is we are getting ready to completely refill the basket there.

You're going to refill the basket. We have the basket. It's got some stuff in it. This is my paddle, actually.

All right. Well, we need to... Well, I noticed that you guys were enjoying the penis shooters. And man, that was sexy seeing the nipples being licked

and everything on the show. We do like the penis shooters. I want to just chime in about sex addiction. Yeah, go ahead.

You know, after hearing Dr. Lay, and I've actually read the book, he's right on. I think a lot of it is media.

I think a lot of it is the right wing sex urinates. So, Justin, why do you think it's so vilified? That was gnawing, chiming in. Why do you think sex addiction is so vilified?

Is that what you're asking? Well, I can answer that because the word addiction is kind of a weakness. Why do we associate that with weakness?

Why do we associate sex addiction with a weakness? It's not a weakness. I think it's empowering. I guess it depends on what definition we're giving it.

I think we're recreating the definition of sex addiction and making it a badge of honor tonight. Well, it is an honor. Sex addiction is definitely an honor.

I like that. I think it is. Well, I think it is and I think it's changing as we speak because it has been, you know, it's been a nasty name.

So, we're changing it. Thanks to your toys. We deal with millions of supposed sex addicts because they buy toys every day.

They do. And we have one of your toys here. Is this got a battery in it now? Okay, so now you're going to use this on her?

I watched the Simian Ride and that was something else. Sit in the middle of it. That was amazing. I love that toy.

Yeah, well, this is Starry Night. She can't even categorize that as a toy. That's just an awesome, awesome, love-making machine. You've never put anything in a car.

No, I've never put anything in a woman. Oh, I think you should take your skirt off for this. Huh? Yeah.

But... Yeah, she's going to use one of your adult play parlor toys. More is on the way. More is on the way.

Yay. Okay. And that, you know, we think, you know, the moral majority and the psychiatrists have made sex addiction more than it is.

There is unhealthy sex out there. Oh, yeah. There's lots of unhealthy sex. When buttons are pushed, you know,

and people take it to the too far level. But they're calling people sex addicts who are just enjoying life and enjoying sex. Yes.

Okay. Now, we're just kind of making you comfortable here, Story 9. Part of the problem here may be the definition of what addiction is.

That's right. That's why... DSM definition versus the popular definition of what addiction is. Right.

And, you know, the popular definition is something we can embrace. But the DSM addiction, definition of addiction, I mean, I don't think that they're defining it really. They're not classifying it.

It is a disorder. So anyway, we don't want them to do that. But what we do want is to see this dildo go into Starry Night. Yeah.

So, do you need a dildo? Lube? How about some? Do you need a dildo?

Do you need lube? Lube? And here they are, the two brilliant men of pornography. Little bit of lube.

Okay. I think we probably have some in here. Let's see. Do you want me to just get it wet for you?

Naturally. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, look at that.

Yeah. Go down. Eva. Oh, goodness.

Where's Teja? Teja. Teja. Teja.

Teja. Come to the sex bar. Okay. To the bar.

To the studio. To the womb room. To the womb room. Oh, here we have some lube.

We have lube. But she's doing such a good job. Maybe we don't need lube. No, we don't need any lube.

Okay. And so the microphone is by your pussy. So, okay. We don't need lube.

Okay. She's going to just fuck you with this now. Very good. And Starry Night is now taking a big, fat, vibrating dildo right into her pussy.

See, a clit is just like a little dick. That's all. It's just like a little dick. Thank you so much.

What a beautiful tongue Ava has. What a beautiful tongue. It is just exquisite. Ava is just an exquisite creature.

And Starry is... Starry is seeing stars. And that... Adulterate harler dildo is all the way inside her pussy.

It is fucking her good. It's her dildo. What kind of dildo is that, Dr. Block? It's a new dildo.

Who makes that dildo, Dr. Block? Adulterate harler. Adulterate harler. That's where we got it.

Our friends at Adulterate. They sent it to us. Yes. They sent it to us for free so we could say this.

But it's good stuff. And it's masturbation month and we are celebrating brothers and sisters. That's right. Sister Starry is coming for the sake of your freedom.

Yeah. Yes. She's a sex addict. Yeah.

And sister Ava is giving it to her good. She really knows how to use a dick. I wonder why. And she's never done a woman before.

Oh, very nice. Oh, yeah. I'm calling from Dr. Block. She's screaming more than she did with the Sybian.

You're fucking her harder. Of course, this is penetration. This is the penetration. She didn't do a penetration with the Sybian.

I think she's hot. Was that another orgasm? Okay. Give me a break.

Great. She needs a break. Okay. Okay.

That's what pussies need to break sometimes. Yeah. That was very good. That was the first time you'd use a dildo on a pussy?

Mm-hmm. Really? Well, I mean, is it any different from a... I'm a tourist.

I'm a pleaser. You are. Very intelligent. Yeah.

You're really intelligent. Yeah, you do. You're really very much of a pleaser. You're so pretty and everything.

You look like someone who would just sit there like an ice queen, but you're a real pleaser. And look at those pretty panties. Would you?

Is that a green or what? He's like, I like the bow. And the little bow. Could you just stand up with those on, please?

Just smile. Look at the back. Oh my goddess. Isn't that the cutest little bug?

Oh my god. Oh, wait a second. You've got two pairs of panties on. Okay, take one off, please.

Okay, what was that? Okay, so one, take one off. I'm going out after... Do we have music?

We're at least going to have some music to remove one pair of panties now. Wow. Well, maybe not music, but nice, nice.

I'm cute. Okay, here. Oh, here we go. Oh, well.

Look at that body. Yeah, you work out. Definitely. Well, do you like to dance, don't you?

Can you do a little dance to this and kind of strip it all? Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. Here we go.

Here, come on. I'm ready. Max Hardcore is watching. Yeah.

Little dance. There she is, brothers and sisters. Ava Lin. She's sexy.

We know it. She's sexy and she knows it. I know she knows it, but we know it. We know it.

We sure know it. She is sexy. I just like the paw prints. It's like they're telling you where to go.

Your paw prints are telling us where to go. Oh, look at that pretty, pretty body. That was a cute little dance. About a minute left.

We have a minute left. Let's say hi to Max Hardcore. Hi. Max Hardcore.

It's nice to be back again. Well, welcome back to the Speakeasy. Yes. Thank you so much for inviting us.

You missed our discussion about sex addiction, and you would have been a prime example. Yes. Wow.

I'm definitely a sex addict. Yeah. Okay. Hard carrying.

Certified. Certified. Bonified. Bonified.

Bonified. You bet it. So how's everything going? Great.

Fantastic. Yes. You took our little Bonnie away, and God. Well, anyway.

Did you see his friend tonight? No. Where's your friend tonight? She's crawled right up on your bed there while you were in there.

Oh, oh. There's the lovely Layla Rivera. Layla Rivera, welcome back, honey. Layla.

Wow. Wow. I know, isn't that great? Do you know Ava Lynn?

No. And Starry Night? Hello. Hello, girls.

Hello. And now we have a Sybian. Have you ridden a Sybian before? No.

Oh, would you like to? Well, she said I have to. You have to. That's even better.

We don't even care if you'd like to, except you have to take those clothes off, though. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Although that's a very nice outfit.

Really? Yeah, take all that off. Are you a sex addict? Yes.

Yes. Whatever you say. Whatever I say. Whatever you say.

Good attitude. It's just so sweet. Okay. Here's some lube.

Okay. I think you have to take your panties off, too. Okay. Everything.

Okay. Look at this chick, huh? Do you know how you don't know her? Now you do.

No, I do. Yeah. Wow. She's hot.

She's hot, right. Look at that cute ass. That could be a little boy's ass. But it's Layla's ass.

She's a grown woman. Yeah. Mm-hmm. She's a grown woman, too.

Yeah, she is a grown woman, huh? Yeah. Okay. So now I think we need to put a condom on that.

Do we have a condom? Condom. Wait a second. Where's condom?

What are we doing? Do you have one? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, the piñata. The piñata. We could get...

Oh, you got it out of the piñata. Okay. From the piñata, you got the condom? This is a little boy, though, here.

No guys should be intimidated by this guy. So I just... All right. Except he vibrates good.

All right. So here she goes. Sister Layla is going to sit on it, right? Okay.

And now let's see. Okay. This is your dildo. You should keep this so that...

Okay. And now where's the controls? Okay. Here we go.

Okay. So... Put your elbows right here. Okay.

Okay, we're going to do this slowly. I didn't see that. All the way. No.

I don't know. Here she is. Layla Rivera. Look at those rings.

Wow. You're so Vegas. I love it. Look at those tits.

Yeah. Fucking rings. Max Hardcore's number one girl. Layla Rivera.

Okay. Here we go. It's starting to vibrate more. Well, here, can I...

Can you open your legs so I can see your pustilles or something? Something. Yeah. Thank you.

What are we doing here? Yeah. I don't know what I like. Hey, you're next.

So let's see you. No. What are you working with? There we go.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. She wants to see what you're working with. Listen to that Ferrari.

Wait, yeah. That's okay. I won't tell nobody. Hey, Max.

I would even... You like it? I'm scared. Yeah.

I'm scared of it. That's why. I don't know. Here we go.

Turn it up to high. Layla Rivera riding the Sybian for masturbation month. Brothers and sisters. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's actually...

Oh, too much? It's not even halfway yet. No, it is. She's lying.

That's what she actually says. Her boyfriend is Max. She goes, oh, Max. Right, Max?

I think she needs more personal stimulation. Oh, well, she's doing good. I'll hold the microphone. Why don't you help her out in some way since you're such a...

You're such a giver. Okay. Whoa. We've got so many wires here.

I don't know. Just put the phone. Only cocks. That's like...

No, a cock hit. What? You have a cock? We've got several cocks here.

She needs to see a cock. We're trying to figure out where the cocks are, brothers and sisters. Who wants to show her your cock and make her come? Please.

I need us to... All right, well... Yeah, we're all waiting at the bar here. She's never been with a woman.

Anyone have a heart on anyone? She's never been with... I'll be right there. She's never been with a woman.

I'll be there in a minute. Exactly. And she masturbated before she came here. Oh, yeah.

But we don't care. We would just like to see her cock. Yeah. Yes, we would.

It doesn't matter how it looks. It could look any which way. Layla hasn't seen the pictures from last time with the Bonnie's hand. You're looking for the bathroom.

And we just love to see it. We don't care how it looks. I mean, you're so beautiful. You are just such a goddess.

Just relax. I want to see you too. I've never seen it that way. Down boy.

Down boy. Down boy. All right. Do it again.

Okay. Okay. Then you go over here and sit by... By Ava.

Okay. What do you want to see? Talking to Mike Layla. How it's done.

How it's done. How you orgasm? How do you have time? Orgasm.

On the Dr. Susan Block show. So now, Teja is mounting this thing. Are you mounting? Oh, sorry.

It's going to go again. Okay. Teja does this all the time. Yeah.

Before work, during work. Somebody could wear the monkey bars. What are these people doing here? I don't know.

Who wants to wear it? You want to wear this? Sure. Oh, around your waist.

And then somebody can ride you while you're wearing it. Yeah. Could you explain what's going on? She is now putting on the monkey bars.

Okay. And someone can grab the monkey bars and kind of ride you while you're riding something. These are beautiful monkey bars available at monkey bars. Right?

She's got my name upside down, but hey. Just Google it, okay? That's okay. No, it's, well, yeah, maybe you should change it.

It might not be the right, yeah, the right configuration. There you go. It might be more comfortable that way. Okay.

And now, it's a merry masturbation month. It is. And Starry Night is going to ride the Sybian. Ooh.

And, yes, now you've got your monkey bars on there. Look at this. Okay. Yeah.

Right this. Right. Oh. Hey, Max, what do you think about this?

No, no, no. She's not a drinker. She's a water girl. She, you know, because she does all those rainbow showers.

Right. Okay. So Starry is riding the Sybian. You want to watch how it's done, right?

This is it. Okay. She's riding it. Lesson in number one.

With her man in control. Thank you. Weird what? This is quite weird.

That was amazing. You know, these things really suck. Very, like, mental. It's very painful.

Okay. We got orgasm, Houston. I think. Ooh.

Put the microphone in front of the orgasm. You know what? You're holding the microphone like it's a dick. Yeah, right there.

You'd like to be spanked? Oh, yeah. They're actually listening to radio, and it's live. Spank the monkey.

Harder. Dear mom, I was in Los Angeles, and I was watching the mama. She doesn't like this. And right in the other room.

Fucking. Her sister, starry night. Starry night. Starry eyes.

Starry nights. Like a diamond in the sky. Okay. So, Layla, what do you like?

What do you want? Because I know you're not really a vibrator girl. I saw you get fisted last time. She got fisted.

Yeah, well, you know, Max is sitting there by the microphone. Ah, that's an adult play parlor. What is that? Is that the octopus?

The octopussy. Yeah, and please go to our site and buy it. Take a picture of her. Otherwise we don't get a commission.

Yes. Okay. Go to our site to get to adult play parlor. We got to make money.

Okay. You think this stuff is cheap? I'm observing now. Okay.

Layla. Layla. Oh, Layla is now using the Sybian in a whole different way. You are making yourself useful.

Wow. What are you going to be used as? What is that? Oh, she's going to be used as a pussy pipe holder.

Yeah. That's what she's going to be used as. I see. And who makes those pussy pipe holders?

Actually, where you can get them is adult play parlor. Yes. And I don't think you can get them anywhere else that I've seen. No, but you have to get them from our site.

Well, yeah. That's the thing. Because we got to make some money. Okay.

So you got to go to darksoonsofvlog.com. The revolution costs money. You go there. And then you get to adult play parlor.

They pay us ten cents for each thing we sell. What do they pay us? Oh, she's fucking her with a pussy pipe. That's actually called the Peter Piper.

Suck it, baby. How's she doing it? And that's not really marijuana in that pipe. Suck it.

No. Suck in it. Yeah. Do you like that better than the Sybian?

Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. Oh, and you have the clever fingers.

Oh, now she's sucking your pussy. Thank you. Come again. These are awesome.

Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. Isn't that wonderful? You want a finger.

Beautiful. My goodness. Look at that. Look at that pretty pussy.

Wow. How's she doing? She's not used to this. It's okay.

Yeah? I like the whole thing, but so that's nothing. She's getting it. Well, that's how I usually do.

Yeah. See? You like what? I like the whole thing in my ass, too.

You like the whole thing in your ass. Yeah, I always get fisted in my videos. Yeah? Wow.

Yeah, it feels really good. I love getting fisted in my ass. Really? I've had like four, eight balls in my ass.

Eight balls? Can we see your ass? Just see it? Yeah.

Can we just see your ass? Yeah, like just like, you know, take panties off. Okay, here we go. This is the ass of Avalyn.

Okay. Lean over. Do you need any guys up there? Max and I are available.

Whoa, what a nice ass. All right. This ass has had fists inside of it. Okay, you have to ask on the microphone.

Did you want us to smoke out of your butthole? We have done this with another trans woman. Hello, Howard. We did.

Who did we do this with? Welcome to this star. Tiffany Starr, do you know Tiffany Starr? Tiffany Starr?

You should meet Tiffany Starr. She's beautiful. You do know Tiffany Starr. I smoked out of her butt.

We did. We smoked out of her butt. While her girlfriend played the accordion. We are crazy sex addicts.

This is what we have to do to get off. We're desperate. We are, wait, you know, having discussed this, I think we realize that we are desperate out of control perverts.

Yes. Hey, women. Well, you know what, Dr. Suzy? Lay down and serve me some pot.

Nobody's talking to me. Okay, I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you, man. Okay, you got your master wants to smoke out of you.

Just a drunk at the bar. Just want to make sure you don't make sure. Come on down. Okay, bad.

Oh, no, that's all right. No, we're just, you know, we had a really serious discussion. It was a good discussion. Yeah, no, I thought.

And now we're descending into chaos. I thought it was a great discussion. Wait a minute, a second. Maybe we should take all these sex addicts and approve the fact that they are sex addicts

and charged them like 50 bucks. I think we already do that, actually. Oh, that's a really good, they come here and they say, I'm a sex addict. Yeah.

Well, we don't charge all of them, but when we can, we do. $50. You're okay. Oh, look at this.

The boyfriend is going to smoke the Peter Piper out of his, his girl's pussy. That's very sweet. I'm going to get some more. I bet you've never done that, Max.

No, no. He's, he's, Max is not really an addict. He doesn't do drugs or alcohol. Well, I don't know about the drugs.

He doesn't drink. He doesn't drink. No drugs either. Wait, hold on.

We got it. That's what staying in the tank for a few years does to you. That'll clean you out real good. Makes you a Christian.

Yeah, no, not necessarily. You didn't turn Christian in there, did you? You didn't find God. Did you or something?

No, I think he's finding God right here. Okay. Okay. So now you, oh, look at this.

This is good. You're going to smoke it out. You got a smoking pussy. I like that spit.

That was a squirty spit there. Wait, wait. Okay. What are we talking about here?

Anything worth listening to? Smoking. Smoking your pussy. She's got a smoking hot pussy.

Yes, she does. Oh, oh, look at this. And now she's licking it. Wow.

Ava is licking pussy. This is a first. Ava doesn't do this. She is actually eating pussy.

Ava doesn't do this. Well, she never has been with a woman before. Oh, I see. She's only been with guys.

What? She's doing pretty damn good. Oh my God. She's doing very well.

I got me off. This is my favorite show. Right? I agree.

You're such an addict. Are you sure she's never been with a woman before? We all are. I say as long as you're having fun and not hurting anybody,

you're good to go. Well. Or maybe if you, okay, maybe if you like to hurt somebody. You know, a little hurt isn't bad.

You know, a little pleasurable hurting. Yeah, definitely. That is not bad. Oh, look at this.

She's getting four fingers inside. Right? Don't go beyond four. You might be against the law.

You might become a fist. Right. Become a fist, Max. Just like that.

Oh, wow. Suddenly we'd all be arrested. Suddenly the fisting is... Can I say this?

Can I say that we're doing fisting now? Yeah. Can I say fisting is happening right now? Absolutely.

No, no, no. It always happens. Well, I don't know if I can say it. And I'm going to smoke that.

Wow. She's going to put the pipe in as fisting. Well, get the pipe in. Jesus Christ.

She said, okay. We've got plenty of room. We've got plenty of room. She said, okay.

I can't believe this pussy. You better get in there before it's all gone. Wow. Beautiful.

You've got a bionic pussy, Layla. Jesus. You do. You're such a little girl.

God. You've got to be a little dominant with this one. Whoa. Look at these legs.

Don't get a cramp in your foot here. Open for business, baby. Look at her go. Layla.

This is quite an interesting surprise. And this is social. We thought this wasn't going to be a very physical show. It's definitely not.

Hey, are you a sex addict? Yes, ma'am. I'm not. Not at all.

She's got her pussy stuffed. Whoa. This does not prove any... And you know, Ava doesn't have the tiniest hand in the world.

Okay. No, no. Not the tiniest hand. No.

Yeah. Layla has not only a fist, but a pussy. Amazing. So beautiful.

Hey, Dr. Suzy. This is a world's first Guinness. Make you offer. First of all, I didn't...

You see in this... Lube. Lube. Where's the lube?

Where's the lube? It's definitely under someone's butt. Okay. Here we go.

Here we go. Here's the lube. Okay. Wait.

I think she needs the lube right here. Okay. Here we go. She's got her ass.

She's using the Sybian, but not for its original purpose. She's using the Sybian as a... She's so bored. ...as a liberator shade.

It's not even in my p.s. Yeah. Is there anything in there? Yeah, there's quite a bit in there.

You have the lube thing. Let's stick the big black one in there. Okay, here we go. The lube is going on the clip.

And she's rubbing it. You're gonna love it. You'll be famous. I promise.

Okay. Wow. Oh, she's pushing it in. I can't...

The whole arm is going in there. You know, Dr. Lay said that mostly it was men that were sex addicts. I beg to differ. I'm going to beg to differ as well.

I agree with you, Matt. I think that the women here are the perverts in the house. Really? Really, Dr. Lay, that's the one thing we kind of disagree about.

The women are the sex addicts. The women are definitely the sex addicts. Yeah. Get a perverted woman and it's all over.

Your life is ruined. She likes it. Oh, whoa. She remembers.

Now we have the big black dick. She could do that, right? People are...actually, I think that the people are high on sex here right now, brothers and sisters. That's what it looks like.

It is definitely... It'll fit. Maybe we ought to have certificates to certify that they are sex therapists. But she got this inside of her pussy.

I mean, sex maniacs. But should we put cellophane on her? You are listening to me. Actually, no one's gotten this in there, but you're not a mom.

Whoa! Holy shit! Holy shit! She's really going to take all of that.

I can't believe this girl. What is going on here? She got this big black dick inside of her. She can do it.

It's like, well, engine that could. I think I can. I think I can. I think I can.

We love Layla. Layla is quite the athlete. Sexual athlete. Okay, where's the loom?

It can fit. Let's try my head. There's the guy behind the dick. His dildo is as big as her waist.

Where's the... Who owns this dick? It can fit. Yeah.

There you go. Okay. That does it. Okay.

Oh, she's getting it in there. Oh my God, it's... You should be getting it in. Oh, wow.

Layla, Layla. It's Master Bay Shaman. Master Bay. It's not my cock, it's a lift dick.

It's a lift dick. Stick your hand in it. That's because it's really a mold. Stick your hand in it.

Yeah. And now lay down and take this beating. Okay, now she's going to use it on you. Okay, here you go.

Now you've got to lay down with it. Okay, now maybe... You really keep working on it. Now it's hard.

She has her hand in it. Okay. Now it's hard. Yeah, now it's hard.

It's got to be hard, the fuck. You've been walking around a lot. I swear it's going to split her in half. It hurt.

Thank you. Okay, okay. Thank you very much. Try it.

That was great. Who's next? Bell, brothers, and sisters. Aw, everybody's so adventurous.

Aw, we all feel so close now. See, see, this is why bonobos don't kill each other. Because after you experience something like that, you kind of love them. Oh, yes.

We're so lovey, lovey, lovey. I'm not going to kill you guys, I promise. Oh, and of course everyone has been smoking and drinking. Oh, maybe with my call.

And also, there's the endorphins. Endorphins. Right. Oh, look at this.

She's got cock hand. Yeah, that's what makes it hard. Aw, look at them. Aw.

Suck that pipe. At least the pipe's masturbating. Well, let's have a rundown of what we had tonight on this show. Okay, and then we're going to wind it up.

Yeah. Alright, so what we had tonight on the show. A smoke and pussy. Was a smoke and pussy.

A giant big black dick in a huge beyond. And a Skype call. And, okay, a Skype call from Dr. David Lay, author of The Myth of Sex Addiction.

Which is a great work of scientific study that is very important for us to just And a freaking hot tranny. Show us what sex addiction really is.

And a freaking hot tranny doesn't seem to do her justice. All the guys here were fooled. Goddess. I mean, she exposed herself right away.

Said she was an altar boy. I think you've got to expose yourself. Oh, you've got such a nice dickie. Can we see it?

Oh, yeah, we got to see. Where is this? We can't see. Where's the camera?

I do, I love it. You have a big one. I love it. I know it's not hard, but you know.

I've seen pictures. I've never been with it. I like Tranny's. Oh, she's going to suck it.

She's sucking any cock into something. And we had a surprise visit from Max Hardcore. She likes cock is what she loves. Oh, and we do have a surprise visit.

And of course, Starry Night, Ava Lynn. I think we covered all the bases of sex addiction. And sex addiction. No, I think we've got one more here.

Tranny Cox sucking. Can we get a camera? We now have Tranny Cox sucking going on. That's another base.

Do you have fucking cameras? Okay. Try a Tranny. Okay.

Oh. You're a gaper. Ooh, and she's uncut. I like that.

Oh, she doesn't want to be a gaper. You butt hole gaps? Yeah. Any cameras there?

It's okay to be a gaper. No, we're not showing it. We're going to do with this. I think we should get Max.

What are you going to do with this saran wrap? And it's amazing to be wrapped up with that. You cannot get out of it. You think you could?

You can't. Oh, she's going to put her in bondage. Shrink wrapper. Go for it.

Okay. I think we're not quite done yet, brothers and sisters. We are now shrink wrapping Starry Night in saran wrap. I have a little fashion show here.

This isn't the first time she's been shrink wrapped. It's good. This is like an exercise, a yoga thing. This is actually good for you.

Maribel Morgan said this is the way you should greet your husband after a long day at work in the 1950s. Wow. The original mad man.

Okay. Not over her head. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not the face.

Oh, last time we were here she wanted a happy little hole in the face to break it. And now she's wrapping up people's face. Yeah, very good. Okay.

She's got a little hole. She's so cute. Okay. I got this.

This is good. This is good. Okay. We have.

I want a Layla. A Merry Mastermation Month present now. This is all very educational. It certainly is.

If you want to keep your slave and preserver for later. Yeah. She won't go bad this way. You wrap her up in saran wrap.

If you like the order. Whoa. She won't go bad. Ta-da-da-da.

Wow. Very good. Very good. Gives that extra sting.

And you did that very quick. Very talented. You're a homemaker. Yeah.

You're very good. Yeah. It's nice. Thank you.

You look good. All right. Okay. Now she's got a hula hoop.

Okay. This is the hula hoop expert. Starry night. She doesn't know if she can hula hoop.

Got this. Yeah. There she goes. Yeah.

She does need a shot. Hallelujah. Who needs one? No, I can't keep it up.

No. Get this out of the way. All right. So we have some hula hooping and some pole dancing of some sort.

Nice songs. Not a bad sight at our age. Wow. Okay.

So where are we at now? Are we doing hula hooping? Are we going to end the show? Okay.

We're going to have a hula hoop. Okay. Here she goes. Brothers and sisters.

She's saran wrapped and hula hooping. Starry night. Oh, we're over time. Yeah.

We are over time. But this is the grand finale. Five. It's hard to do like this.

All right. All right. Let's hear it for starry night. I think we're going to wind it up now.

Although, you know, the after party goes on. But first of all, we're going to thank the bonobos. Yeah. Because without them, well, life just wouldn't be the same.

We love them. Oh. Oh yeah. Are you guys hot?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey. Go around her, baby. Okay.

Big. She wants her face squirted. Squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt. Oh.

Seriously. She loves one. Water. Who is the pervert?

We're just squirting all the girls. We just love sticking their tongues out. A bella feina. All right.

I want to thank Dr. David Lay, author of The Myth of Sex. And you can buy this book. Give me the book. Could you get the book?

Somebody get the book. Book. Book. Yep.

There's the book. Get the book. You order that book from our website and we get three, four, five cents or something. Something like that.

Yeah. Okay. And I want to thank Eva Lin. Yeah.

Where's the microphone? Sitting on the microphone. Your ass cheeks. That's good.

Okay. So where do we find you on the internet? I don't even know. Follow the girls on the one.

Yep. Yes. Okay. So where do we find you on the internet?

I'm on www.EvaLinXXX.com. That's E-V-A-L-I-N-XXX.com. Okay. And Starry Night.

You can find me on Ideal Image Management, their website, or you can find me on my Twitter, which is Starry Night, S-T-A-R-R-Y-K-N-I-G-H-T, triple X. All right. And of course, the lovely Leyla Rivera.

Yeah. Yeah. Bouncing around. Max Hardcore Girl number one.

You guys love you. And the two maxes, you've got to thank the two maxes for their time served. Would you please give a speech each of you? Yes.

I give a speech. So what you have to do is you have to occupy your minds and then you change the world. Hmm. Right?

Occupy your mind. Right. How you occupy is you put the thing in the thing. Right.

And then you're occupied. But then all occupiers get kicked out. It's true. Eventually.

That's right. So from our house to your house, we've been talking about sex addicts. Right? We're all sex addicts.

Right, Max? Yes. Right? Yes, we are.

Yeah. All of us are. And that's a good thing. That's a good thing.

Right. So I'm telling you, you get a $50 certificate. You come here. We certify you as a sex addict.

Tell you, go home. You're okay. We'll give you a T-shirt. We'll make a million bucks.

Uh-huh. And a dildo. And you know, you have your kit. Your sex addict kit.

You get a sex addict kit. You get a Max Hardcore movie, you know, and a few other things. You know, dildo, butt plug, condoms, of course. Oh, and the play things.

The salon play things. We have to do a sex addict kit. And the Agua. Actually, I'm serious.

We should do a sex addict. What is this? Candy? Or is this a?

Oh, this is candy. Oh, this was in the pinata from Cinco de Mar. All right. We're 40 minutes over time.

Okay. And CK. This is costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Thank you for joining us, too.

Of course. And now I just want to say we're going to go. But I want you to be good. We're going to take some pictures, though.

Okay. We're going to take pictures. So come back. Make like bonobos, not baboons.

Okay. Take responsibility for your addictions. Okay. If you're going to be addicted, be responsibly addicted.

Don't drink and stroke. No, actually. Be addicted responsibly as the liquor industry says. Be addicted responsibly.

Be responsible for your addictions. Be a mensch, as we say in Yiddish. Be a good citizen. And, you know, and don't just blame it on sickness.

Okay. And don't use it as an excuse in court that you're a sex addict. Please. Okay.

And, you know, if you, if you, I mean, we all have weaknesses. We all have passions. We're all sex addicts deep inside. Like Dr. Lay said, a lot of the people that we accuse of being sex addicts,

they're doing things that we would like to do. Okay. So we all got to be a little compassionate. That's a responsible addiction.

Empathy. Responsible addiction. Fuck responsibly. So make like bonobos, not baboons.

Make love, not war. Make love to someone you love tonight. Happy masturbation month, even if that someone is you. I love you.

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