Cruisin’ Swingers

Full transcript of Cruisin’ Swingers on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

And now, here she is, Dr. Susan Block. Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners, artists and exhibitionists, voyeurs and connoisseurs, singers and swingers, husbands and wives, all you children of sex, and we are all children of sex.

We may or may not be children of God, Jesus, Allah. Happy Ramadan. Good Ramadan. I don't know if it's supposed to be happy. We may or may not be children of Brahma, Rama, Dhamma, or Buddha, or the great Mother Goddess, or Charles Darwin. We don't know.

But we do know that we are all children of sex with a capital X. Can I hear an amen? Amen. Can I hear an amen?

Amen. I want to welcome you to the womb room of Dr. Susie Speakeasy in the soul of downtown LA. I am the irreverent Dr. Susan Block, your servant and your mistress of the airwaves. And tonight we're cruising.

That's why I'm in my turquoise cruise wear. Cruisin' with the swingers to the islands, to the erotic paradise of your sexual dreams. Whatever your belief system. There's something about bodies on the beach intertwined harmoniously that must bring joy to your heart.

You know it does, even if it's against your religion. There's something about that swing thing on the beach where Aphrodite rose up from the waves to bring beauty to the universe. There's something about it that's just so natural, so real, so honest and true. And tonight we're going to talk about cruising and swinging.

It's Swing Town at the Speakeasy tonight. It kind of always is in a way. I mean, you know, swinging has just become the American way of life, maybe the universal way of life. But tonight we're focusing on swing, the power of swing.

And I don't mean big bands. I'm talking about swappin', échangiste, en français, or libertin', libertin'. Yeah, orgies, group sex, partying with a capital P. Lifestyle-in, yeah.

Swingin'. Swingin' USA. Swingin' universal, I mean, around the world, I guess, because tonight we are talking about swing travelin'. Yeah, I could use a little of that right now, actually. I mean, as those of you who know me know, if you're tuned in live right now, half of my websites are down.

Oh my God, it is just, you know, I feel a little bit like that half love doll that's out in the lobby. You know, half of me is alive, and half of me is, well, maybe not dead, but in suspended animation. So, it's been a rough week. So, I'm in need of a cruise, swingin' cruise, where I can forget my tech troubles, you know, and just get down with my bad self.

Because when I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better. And, yes, swingers know how to be bad in a very good way, lots of rules, lots of rules. You know, swinging has an interesting reputation. I mean, swingers have been booed and dissed and hissed by middle America, and yet swingers are middle America.

Somewhere between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party lies the swing party. And I don't know if most of them are Republicans, but most of them are very solid citizens. Let's put it that way, with the kids and the barbecue and, you know, the regular job, except the ones that run swing organizations. But, you know, really salt of the earth with a sex drive and overdrive.

What do you do when you want to stay together? I mean, swinging is really a way to stay together. So many couples are breaking apart. There's so much divorce.

There's so much, you know, love them and leave them and next, next, next, and it's all fine. I'm an ethical hedonist, you know? I mean, if you want to marry 27 times, you know, be Elizabeth Taylor. It's all good, you know?

But I think there's something to be said for keeping a marriage and intimate friendship going forever. And so sex doesn't always go forever. I mean, actually, it never does. So, you know, the mixing it up, it really helps sometimes.

Yeah. And it's the bonobo way. Yeah. The bonobo way.

Brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners. That's right. Swingers are the bonobos of humanity. They're extremely sexual and pretty darn peaceful, you know?

Very peaceful. And women rule. That's right. Same as in bonobo land.

So we have a lot to learn about bonobos. We have a lot to learn from bonobos. And we have a lot to learn from swingers. So we're going to do a little learning.

And Dr. Susie's School of Swing right now. I have some very interesting guests here tonight. Yes, dream pleasure tours. I'm dreaming of escaping.

My problems on a pleasure tour. Robert. Good evening, Dr. Susie. Welcome.

And we have a wonderful vacation. We can get your pleasurable dreams off to anywhere in the Caribbean around the world. I can leave my hard drives at home and find new hard drives. Absolutely.

To drive me crazy with their hardness. You might find some floppy drives too, but mainly hard drives. And some juicy software. Absolutely.

Yeah. So dream pleasure tours. Where do you guys go? We are one of the larger adult lifestyle and also nudist travel agencies.

We provide resorts around the world from the Canary Islands to Europe. Cruises in the Mediterranean to Caspian Sea to Haiti. We also have the world famous resort, Hedonism in Jamaica. We have the desire.

You have Hedonism? We have Hedonism, yes. And we also have the desire resort in Riviera Maya, Mexico. And you have desire.

Between having Hedonism and desire, you have a lot of sex. We do indeed. And you talk like a salesman. But is this something true to your heart?

I mean, how did you get into this? Robert. It's kind of a long story how I got into it. Well, make it short.

Make it short? We have a lot of beautiful women to introduce. The company that I work for. I've known the owners for many, many years.

And my background is sales and marketing. I knew it. And they brought me in to help them with their marketing in different locations. And, you know, here it is.

And it's been an enjoyable relationship. So you're not a swinger yourself? Yes, I am. Yeah.

Well, that's what I wanted to know. You are, are you married? Yes. And you and your wife swing?

Yes, we do. With the dream pleasure tour? Well, we draw a fine line between clientele and personal time. Wow, that must be tough.

It can be. We're going to talk more about that. I'm very interested in how you draw that line. Is your wife here tonight?

No, sadly she has to work her normal job. Oh, that normal stuff. The normal vanilla world. Right, right, right.

Okay, what does she do? She works for a major corporation here in Los Angeles. We can't say what? Can't say.

But she has a straight job. Do they know she's a swinger? No, they don't. Really?

And her husband is so kind of high profile on a show and everything. Well, she lets me do all the fun stuff. I see, okay. Yeah, a lot of swingers are open and some are great exhibitionists.

Like Nina Hartley, for instance, one of the most famous swingers. But some are very secretive, almost like having an affair. They're not having an affair though. Although you could say that the husband and the wife

are having an affair together with other people and the people that don't know are the neighbors. Exactly. Something like that.

You'd be also surprised how many of your neighbors are swingers and you don't know that they are. Well, right. Some of your neighbors could be here right now.

Okay, neighbor. Here we have the lovely Nicoletta. Hello, sexy doctor. Oh, it's so good to have you here, Nicoletta.

Thank you so much. It's so great to be here. Nicoletta is here from Cassidi. And I met you up in San Francisco at the Erotic Exotic Ball.

Yes, we did. And that was a lot of fun. You were a lovely little nun. Oh, thank you.

You remembered. Yes, yes. It's very exciting. I always get excited by...

I loved your confession. You have juxtapositions of naughtiness with purity. You just looked very hot. And I looked so angelic.

Yes, yes. Now you look more just straight devilish. Oh, I'm both ways. Yeah, true.

True, true. Well, let's say bi-devilish. Oh, I'm getting hot. Yeah, well, it's a hot night.

So you're here doing all kinds of television shows. We are. And speaking of earlier, my boss knows what I'm doing. Your boss?

Yes. The boss man? The boss man. Is he like behind you?

He's right behind me. Yeah, yeah. And he knows I'm a swinger. And he swings with me.

Right, right. And everybody knows in your neighborhood? Pretty much, yes. After all the wild parties we have, they better do know.

Right, right. Because otherwise, how would we explain why people run around naked on the street and police comes every time we have a party? Yeah.

What neighborhood are you in? You're in Colorado? We're in Las Vegas. You're in Vegas now.

Okay. I'm behind the times because you were in Colorado. We were in Colorado. That's where we started Cassidy.

That's too wholesome for you. You had to move to a city. Actually, Denver, it is pretty wild. Yeah.

Well, any place can be with the right combination of wild swingers. Yeah. When did you become a swinger? About eight years ago.

How did it happen? It is a funny story. We were in Manhattan, up beside having drinks on the patio and watching girls walk by and Scott tells me,

hey, I know something about you. You don't know about yourself. I said, really what? You're bisexual or bi-curious at that time.

I was like, no, I can't be. Scott, you mind reader, you. Exactly. He's a good mind reader.

And I was totally perplexed. I'm like, no, it can't be. Oh, yeah, you're right. I don't look at girls just as shoes.

Oh, look at them head to toe. Exactly. I see. Well, so that's all it took.

Hey, guys, are you listening? That's all you have to say to your girl is you're bisexual. I mean. And there it goes.

And often there it goes. Not always. Sometimes you have to be a little more subtle. But it took two years after that of trying different things.

Yes. So he kind of worked you into it. And now you're like the queen of the swingers. Now I am the queen.

Yeah. And I'm loving it. And I take it all in. Uh-huh.

You sure do. So you're here doing, what are the shows that you're doing while you're here? We just did a segment yesterday on The Doctors show on CBS. The Doctors.

It was very, it's a daytime show, mainstream, very vanilla. I think we shot them yesterday big time. So they were studying you like under a microscope? Oh, yes.

Did they just ask you questions or did they watch you swing from like a little window? I wish we invited them to come watch us. Yeah. They wouldn't do.

Yeah, no. I would. Thank you. But I'm a different kind of doctor.

Okay. Well, I'm glad you're doing my show in addition to The Doctors. Oh, this show, it is wild and fun. Thank you so much for having us here.

Oh, my pleasure. And I'm so happy to have back for the upteenth time the lovely, voluptuous, luscious April Flores. Hi. You have a peanut gallery.

Yay. Yeah. Thank you for having me. I mean, we are always happy to have you and your lovely husband, Carlos Bat, artist, and

you're both artists, and you produce all kinds of fabulous erotic art cinema. And we could say you're a porn star. Okay. Well, you know, with the wide broad definition of porn star that goes around these days.

Right. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people are porn stars. All you have to do is do porn in front of a camera.

You're a porn star. Yeah, there you go. I guess I fall in that category. You are a star.

That's for sure. You're an art porn star, but that's a mouthful. I call myself a performance artist. Yes.

Well, yes, yes, but there's gotta be something so sexy about you. I can't leave out the sex somehow. Porn formance artist. Porn formance artist.

Porn formance artist. That's a mouthful. Okay. So you're also a swinger.

Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about that. It's fun.

No, I agree with what you were saying earlier that it's a way to keep a marriage together because I feel like, you know, we're all humans and we're animals. Humans are animals. I don't know.

I think it's kind of silly to believe that you would just have one, not silly, but just for me to just have one partner for the rest of my life, that doesn't seem realistic. So at least doing it together or at least with, you know, the talking communication that's smarter.

Smarter for sure. So do you go to swing parties? They don't go to swing parties. You invite people over.

You make swinger friends that also have sex with. Yeah. All of our encounters have been very organic. You know, we'll meet people who we have a connection with and it just leads into more intimate things

and we're there together and it's fun. You know, we're not lying. We're not cheating. Do you draw a line between your art and your porn or what, you know, your production,

your film and your swing life? Or does it just kind of move back and forth? Well, I can only speak for myself. But I don't think there's a line because when I'm performing, I'm still very authentic.

I'm not faking anything. So for me, it's just, it's all the same. So in a way, you're just a swinger with a camera. I'm a swinger with a camera and a director and a DP.

Well, yeah, there are other things too. Yeah. No, but yeah, it's, it's authentic and you know, I'm enjoying myself. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's wonderful that there are swingers like you because there's so many swingers like, you know, Robert's wife, who we're not allowed to see. By the way, she's gorgeous.

Oh, make me just frustrate me. Frustrate me. Why don't you? Yeah.

Well, yeah, that's, that's the thing about swinging is it goes on on different levels. Some of it is public, but most of it is private. Very private.

But anyway, we're, we're pretty public tonight. And, and I'm not sure how this is an aspect of swinging, except that, you know, you get naked and swingers like this is body painting. You're going to get body painted.

I will. Yay. We're going to do that in a little while. I mean, I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah. You make love to the paintbrush. Of course. I'm an artist.

Yeah. Absolutely. It's nice to be painted. Well, you were painted here on Eros Day.

I was with the fluorescent silicone paint, right? Yeah. Yeah. Latex.

Yeah. Yeah. That was the kind that kind of rolled off, but it looked good in the dark. It was great.

Yeah. We're going to find out what kind of paint you're going to have all over that gorgeous body in just a moment. But I want to introduce Kim.

Hello. Kim Kim. From Deja New. Yes.

Is Kim's microphone on? Yes. Okay. Here we go.

So Deja New. Correct. New. It's like I've been here before and yet it's new.

We picked the name specifically because even though the act itself may seem as though everybody's doing it, it's always a new experience for people in the lifestyle. Right. Right.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a name that fits, you know, that feeling of Deja Vu is very powerful and kind of sexy

and romantic. And when you feel like, you know, when you're with someone also for the first time, but you feel like you know them and it's like you're falling in love. But it is kind of lust, you know, and it's great that you explore that concept in your

swinger forums. So what do you guys do? Are you traveling swingers or partying swingers? My husband and I actually have just recently started being event promoters.

So we host events for people to come to. So we like advertise on Cassidy and host parties, house parties, have meet and greets and have other people in the lifestyles. There's a lot of people from getting their feet wet to very experienced,

well-groomed lifestylers and get together and do what swingers do. So you hold swing parties. So it's not just the meet and greet. There's also the grind and.

They're separate for us. Yeah. Okay. Separate.

Yeah. Well, you know, that's, that's kind of good. Like a date, date night and then. Yes.

Do it night. Right. Yes. Okay.

And so did you get into the lifestyle through business or through pleasure? How did you get into it? Are you a swinger? I am definitely a swinger.

All right. My husband is a swinger. We became swingers together, which is the more I get to know, the greater I see seems to happen.

It happened after we were married. Wow. After you were married, how many years? Well, we've known each other, family, friends for over 25 years.

Ah, you were married to different people. Well, I had never married previous. He had, but yes, he had one son. I had two.

And now we have a total of five children. Wow. And how old's the youngest? She's just starting kindergarten until she's five.

Oh, she's got a babysitter tonight. Grandma. Oh, grandma's good. Now, grandma thinks it's all cool with this.

Grandma does know. Yeah. Grandma goes by the code of the less I know, the happier I am. But she knows a little bit.

She knows that what we do is different than what she would do, but nothing that will get us calls that she needs to come bail us out from jail or anything. It's the change of generations.

People are always going to do different things. She didn't have smartphones, you know, when she was your age. So, you know, I mean, there's lots of things. So, okay, cool.

She didn't have hard drives go down. I'm sure. So, you know, anyway. So I just thought about my hard drive for a second.

I got to get back to that resort feeling. So, so you don't really do resorts. You do the parties here in LA. Correct.

Ah, okay. And your kids know that you're a swinger. Well, the five-year-old doesn't know. Our oldest son is the only one that has confirmed.

And how old is he? He'll be 17. Okay. And is he okay with it or is he embarrassed?

No, he just is concerned, you know, that his friends would see something and we're pretty open with our children about, you know, especially just even aside from swinging, just wanting them to be aware of sexual nature and stuff like that.

Good for you. Okay. He just... It's tough.

It's tough in this society. Yeah. And the only issue he had when he found out was that he felt insulted that he thought that we thought we could pull it off

and him not notice. Oh. You know, that's so funny. Because we're talking about how it's like you're cheating,

but you're not cheating on each other. You're maybe cheating a little bit on other people in your life. But you have to sometimes in this society. Well, it's not cheating in our...

Yeah. Just you weren't being honest. But then again, he didn't ask. I guess.

Well, circumstances. He found something he shouldn't have found. What did he find? My husband's going to kill me for this, wouldn't he?

It was my fault. Not his... I had him bring in the groceries one time. And after having five kids,

I've no longer having any more kids. And they know that and he knows that. But I had him bring in the box of huge condoms. And he looked at us and he threw them on the table

and says, my mom doesn't need these anymore. What do you think you need these for? And my husband just goes, go ask your mom. Good answer.

So I just went and sat next to him and I said, okay, obviously you're going to have some questions or concerns and I don't want to be the one to... So you tell me what you need to know.

And he just took it from there. So now he kind of looks and he looks at how if I leave the house certain ways or whatever, he'll know.

And like tonight, if I had asked him to babysit and he saw what I was wearing, he would say, I'll expect some money when you get home. Good.

Very entrepreneurial. He's now learned to use it to his advantage. Well, okay. Well, thank you for sharing

because there's lots of parents out there that have to deal with this. And it's not easy. Because even though swingers are middle America,

it's still, you know, it's not like they teach you this in parenting class. I think we were discussing at dinner that it's surprisingly that a lot of

even swinger parents aren't aware of how much their children do know about what's going on and that all the practice to be private

is really... Yeah, well, that's true. In general of parents, parents always think the kids don't know,

but they are very sensitive, you know? So anyway, well, it sounds like, you know, it makes a funny story and it's evolving. I'm sure he'll be telling his kids.

And now he's even a little bit more famous because you're talking about him on the show. Oh, yeah, let me know. Okay, hi.

Anyway, he doesn't watch this show. Oh, no. But now he will. He shouldn't.

He won't. You can't watch this show unless you're over 18. Gotta be over 18, so he can't watch it. Okay.

Now, I have Mr. Body Painter, Jeff. Good evening. Welcome back. You've been at the Speakeasy before

when we were in a different location. Yeah, a little time ago. A little time ago. Thank you for having me back.

Well, it's my pleasure. Yeah. So you were... When were you here?

Quite some time ago. But you didn't do any body painting? No, no, no, no. Did you do anything?

Or did you just watch? No, we participated in your party. You participated? What did you do?

Well, I've been a swinger for quite some time. Right? You can't be a swinger in LA and not come to your party. Absolutely.

Well, tell me, maybe it'll come back to me. Wow. Yeah, I was a guest at one of your shows and broke out in some great sex.

Okay. Yeah, some of our shows do. Sometimes, you know, we kind of go from show to show. Depends on, you know, the chemistry of the evening.

So tonight, I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I know we're going to have some body painting. Yes, yes, that's why I'm here. And are you a professional body painter?

I am. I am. I travel the world. Most of my venues are swinger venues,

swinger-oriented events. I paint bodies wherever people want to get naked. All right. Well, I understand there's a beautiful person who's ready to,

well, maybe a few beautiful people ready to get naked. I'm okay with that. I've been canvassing the place, and I think I've got a few more volunteers,

but we're going to start with the porn star. We're going to start with the porn-formist artist, the artist, April Flores. Would you like to ascend the stage, Miss April?

Okay. And then I will have... Can somebody get the microphone? The bed microphone?

Bed microphone? Bed microphone, yes. Where is that? Good question.

Might be in hiding somewhere. Microphone. Where might you be? Is that it?

Okay. So you want to come up here? Yes. Sure.

Absolutely sure. And you can get your paints ready? Sure. And we can talk to you while you paint.

That would be awesome. I think that would be fun. And we should roll up this rug, someone? Oh, yeah.

We want to get paint on the rug. Alex? Mm-hmm. Señor Alex.

Por favor. Roll up the rug, baby. The rug. Somebody roll up the rug there.

Okay. We're rolling up the rug. We're assembling the painters, and we should get some other guests up into the chairs.

Here. Let's get Rob and Anna. You want to come up here? Sit down.

You can sit down here. I don't know which chair you want to get into. Rob, right? Scott.

She wrote down Rob. Okay. Scott, I should know because I met you, and we had a very nice meeting.

Actually, I met you on the phone. Didn't I, Scott? Exactly. You did a really interesting interview with me

about bonobos and swingers and all kinds of things. Don't the headphones work? Headphones don't work.

You know what? You can turn them on. Yeah, you have to turn them on. And they have control.

You can control the volume. Ah, that's the trick. There you go. There you go.

Yeah. I only run an engineer at a technical company. That's why we definitely do. Technology is so complex.

Okay. So now you, yes. So you did this interview with me. When Cassidy was just starting out.

We did. We did. Yeah, we were starting. As a matter of fact, we're just still coming up with a name.

And we chose Cassidy. And we're talking about it because Cassidy, but with a K, is a female name. And the lifestyle, the swinging lifestyle is female dominant.

The girls are in charge, not the guys. So we wanted to come up with a name for the company that reflected that, that it's a sexy, empowered woman. Yeah.

And that's why we came up with Cassidy. And I, of course, have been pronouncing it wrong all this time. And the reason is because when I hear Cassidy, I think it's got an A. But this is K-A-S-I-D-I-E.

Exactly. Yeah. Yes. And so, anyway, okay.

So, but it's Cassidy. Okay. It's Cassidy. You know, two weeks.

But it is a unique spelling. It is pronunciation and spelling and whatnot. You have to be in the know to know where to go. Yeah.

You do. You do. You're not making it easy for people. No.

Well, you know, we don't want somebody just to spell their daughter's name. Right. You know, regularly with a C and stumble upon. Like, it wouldn't be any fun to call your thing Linda or something easy.

You know. I mean, you got to call it, yeah. It also vets people. You know, it's like a dummy.

Don't you get it? If you're there, you probably belong. And if you don't know it, then you probably don't. I'm wondering, let's see.

Is this a good angle? Maybe I'm feeling like, could you be over here? Yes. Like this.

And then you can paint this way, just like this here. And then I'm on this side so that I don't interfere so much. And then people can shoot from over here. And then also maybe can shoot from this angle.

I'm micro directing. What can I say? But I think it's a good idea because the other way his back was to the audience. Unless you want to take your shirt off.

Mr. Painter. Eventually. How does it feel to get painted all over your lovely titties? It's good.

Yeah. The paint is nice and cool. And the brushes. And your breasts are hot.

My breasts are hot and the brush is hard. And the brush is hard. Is it hard or the bristles soft? The bristles.

The bristles are firm. Really? Okay. Firm bristles against your breasts.

Yes. Okay. Sounds like the start of something. Okay.

Well, and how are you enjoying painting April's breasts? Oh, I love painting April's breasts. You've painted them before. Yes, I have.

Okay. Well, you're experienced. Yes. Good.

Okay. Experienced touch. Very good. Let's you keep going there.

And so you are in this female run organization, but you're the one who started it. Right? I have the technology background and the capital. So I'm a lifelong entrepreneur, but I couldn't do it without Nicoletta and without the input

of her friends and her friends and everybody looking at the site. But it was your brainchild? You're the one that said, you're bisexual, aren't you? He's a visionary, yes.

That that was just the beginning or maybe just one step along the way of this journey to, you know, swing through the world. I was brought into it by girlfriends of mine before Nicoletta and I met. So it was girls who brought me into it.

And then when Nicoletta and I were dating, we got to a point where I was monogamous, which was very rare for me. But then I did, I just happened to notice her checking out girls. Said, yeah, she's, she's gay.

Thank you. Yes, that's really been good for you. Yes. Can you imagine our life without girls, without this, without the lifestyle,

without swinging, without traveling to all these exotic places. Thanks to Robert. You'd just be sitting in Las Vegas. No, actually, we moved to Las Vegas for Cassidy because all swinger roads go to Vegas.

Vegas is Swinger's room. I guess so. Vegas is, you know, Pleasure City, I guess, of America. And Sin City.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Alright. And Party City.

So you have a, like a swing club there? We don't, we don't, we don't have a club because we have over 500 parties, Swinger parties, listed on Cassidy right now from clubs and party promoters and travel agents all over the country, all over the world.

You're a clearinghouse for everything swing oriented. We're a place where people can meet and people can find out about parties. And if we were to do that, we'd be competing with them. And we don't want to compete with them.

We want to enable them. We want everybody to be able to build fantastic businesses in the lifestyle. Right, right, right, right. See, I told you, Republican party.

Yeah. These are Swinger capitalists. Actually, more libertarians. That's alright.

Right, right. Okay, libertarians, vegetarians, whatever. Yeah. Anna.

Hi. Hi. Anna, get on the microphone. Let's get her microphone up.

We had a tweet about you, a couple of tweets. Yes, from a lovely lady in Mexico. Yes, she is over there today. She's on vacation with her family.

Who's that? Miss Nina. Miss Nina, right, Nina Skye. And she's telling all her friends and tweets to listen to you.

Everybody. And watch you. Are you going to get painted? Maybe.

Look at this. Don't you want purple titties? Or maybe he'll give you a different color. I think he's turning you into a bird of paradise or something.

So Anna, what's, what's, you represent erotic paradise. The erotic paradise. Right. What is that?

We are a Swinger party. We have a very large group of, from the Inland Empire towards LA. We all congregate in the middle in Orange County somewhere and have huge parties. Wow.

And how did you get into swinging? Um, actually a girlfriend got me into it. A girlfriend? Yes.

Really? Are you with a guy or are you all girl? Um, I'm with either one. Okay.

I have both. Do you have a boyfriend or husband? I have a boyfriend. You do?

Yes. And you have a girlfriend? Like a serious girlfriend? Yes.

Or you have lots of girlfriends? I have a few. Wow. So you're very like omnisexual?

Yes. Okay, I think. I don't know. I believe so.

Any shemales in your life? Not yet. Not yet. Wait until you meet Morgan.

So, okay, cool. So you just, you just like sex and parties and cool. Very insatiable. And is this your job to do this?

Or you have another real job? This is the second part of me. You have a real job? Yes.

And do you have another name that's not Anna? Yes. Oh, don't tell us. But what kind of work do you do?

Legal work. Legal work. Wow. So you know you have to do everything legal for this.

So you're going to get busted every which way. It's okay. A few of the people that I do work with are in the lifestyle as well. Oh, okay.

You got some lawyers to bail you out just in case. Yes. Oh, really? So you work with the criminal end or the civil and legal?

All. You're a paralegal? Kind of. Kind of.

Okay. Well, you know, the swing, swingers are middle America. Swingers are middle of the world. I mean, there's so many swingers everywhere.

They're even in Saudi Arabia, right? I mean, you guys know that. You must have a few. We have an office in Turkey.

Turkey. Turkey is relatively liberal. It is. Yeah.

We have members in every country in the Middle East where the site's not blocked. Right. Oh, they might block it in Saudi Arabia. They do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about this stuff because, you know, they block my site there, but not my phone. So I have. So we have a lot of.

I have a lot of clients in Saudi Arabia that talk to me. And some of them are swingers. They really are, you know, under the burkas. They're wearing, you know, crotchless panties and stripping it off in their rooms, you

know, in the back rooms of their very conservative homes there. Not this month though. Good Ramadan everyone. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it goes on at every level.

Huh. Now. Hmm. Robert.

Yes. Robert, you're the guy that is going to take me to paradise. Right. I mean, some borrow.

What kind of places do you go to? As I was mentioning, we have resorts and cruises in different locations around the world. The two most popular and original of the resorts.

Number one was hedonism in DeGrel, Jamaica. Hedonism was the original of the lifestyle or swinging resorts. Desire came up a number of years ago. Is that in Cancun?

Yes, it's in Cancun, Riviera, Maya. It's a beautiful resort. It's a lot smaller than hedonism is. Hedonism is about 280 rooms and desires about 110 rooms.

Desires couples only. Yes. Diaries couples only. And there's even a newer resort now, which has opened up in Riviera,

Maya. It's only lifestyle and nudist several times a year called Siva del Mar. It is a true five-star resort. It's like going to the Ritz-Carlton in the Caribbean.

So, I mean... The Ritz-Carlton where you can fuck all the other guests. Absolutely, Scott. And be like it on the beach.

As a matter of fact, Cassidy has an event coming up next year. Sounds like heaven. I mean, it's just a beautiful thing. It's a great thing.

You know, I used to go to lifestyles conventions. Yes. Back in the day with Dr. Bob McKinley at the helm. Right?

Do you know anybody know him? Yes. Dr. Bob. You know, and he was like the original organizer.

So, I feel that it's important to mention him. Well, I went to his second event. That's right. Long ago.

That's how old I am. And there were 50 people there. Yeah. And it grew.

And it grew and it grew. Right. And he really came from the original... Well, the original swingers were of course the original humans

and maybe even before humans. I mean, the bonobos are swingers. So, we can't say who the original swingers are. It is probably the original...

It was the Air Force. But in America... Yeah, exactly. In America, in the 20th century,

swinging kind of reached this kind of peak in a way in the Air Force with these World War II fighter pilots who would go off on these missions and they wouldn't know if they were going to come back.

And they got very emotional about it even though they're fighter pilots and not supposed to be emotional. And they'd go,

Well, you take care of my wife. And they go, Sure, buddy. And, you know, maybe I'll even take care of your wife now. You know.

And so they started these key parties where they'd have a basket in this very Middle American home. Yes.

And they'd go in to the party, you know, everybody. And the husbands would drop their keys in the basket and then they'd go mingle, mingle, mingle, you know. And then, you know, if...

I guess you hook up with a certain wife, you'd pick up the keys of her husband. And then you'd get to go home with her. And that was where Bob came from,

that whole key party thing. Just a little history there. And, yeah. So I know he was connected in some way with Desire.

He had some sort of a travel agency. But now it's just exploded so beyond this kind of core group that it used to be. Lifestyle travel has become a billion-dollar,

I should say, multi-billion-dollar industry. You have your regular vanilla travel. You know, people will say, Okay, I'm going to jump on a plane.

Go to Paris. Go to Italy. But the lifestyle ended up, it has exploded. People are not just going necessarily to have sex.

They're going to have fun. They're going for new adventures. And it's an amazing experience. The resorts cater to every whim

that the clients come there for. Nice. And you said that you met me a long time ago on my show.

I mean... No, I did not. Gary, who's one of the principals of the company, had met you.

Right, right, right. He met me in person. Right. Gary Boaz.

Yeah. Yes. This guy was just watching the show. He was...

Exactly. I mean, you met me through my television show. Right. I would use a swinger term.

I was perving your files of the past. Yes. And what was the show? The two shows that I found most interesting were your...

was part one and part two of sexual harassment on the workplace. Yes. Sexual harassment on the workplace,

which is really what we do because we don't swing. So that was a how-to series? Yes. Pretty much.

Pretty much. Yeah. It was mixed up. It was about why we crave sex at the workplace.

I mean, you guys do. That's why more than half of you are in the lifestyle business, because you crave sex at the workplace.

You don't want to separate. It's very difficult. I give blowjobs to my boss every day under the desk. So, you know, it's something that's in us all.

It's just that we have this separation in most of society. You guys don't have to deal with that. But, see, most people do. And that's why I think there is a lot of sexual harassment

and just affairs and just complications in the workplace. But maybe if we were all swingers, you know, we wouldn't. Although I think we still would, just because we spend so much time in the workplace.

So, look at this. He's painting your boobs. I was at first going to say, it's too bad he covered up those beautiful boobs.

But now he's putting my name on your boobs, so I'm feeling very territorial here. I own this boob. Let's see here.

Let's turn her around. Just look at this. This is quite magnificent, actually. It almost looks like you're wearing something.

Look at this. Wow, that is hot. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm here. Okay, shake it now. Uh-huh.

Jiggle. Jiggle him. Jiggle, jiggle, jiggle. Oh, yeah.

This has definitely got to be used for something. That's a logo right there. You're all very, very promotion-oriented. You're like promotional whizzes,

in addition to being swingers, I think. I didn't realize, you know, somebody's saying, what's this show about? I said, well, I know it's about swinging,

but it's going to be about something else, because I always have to go with the flow of my guests. And everyone here is like a marketing genius. Look at this.

My name on the tits. That's a guarantee that your work is going to get shown a lot. Jiggle. Jiggle.

Oh, and April has such beautiful bazooms. Yeah. Mmm. You like to be naked.

Whoops. You like to be naked. I do. Yeah, it's so free.

I do like to be naked. It's totally freeing, and it just feels like... Mmm. Real.

It is. It's real. Except it isn't, because you look like you've got a top on, but you don't.

You know, what is reality? It's illusion. There's so much illusion in life. Reality is an illusion.

Yeah. Mmm. No, but I like to be naked. You do, and you look good naked.

Thank you. So what kind of swinging do you like to do? What kind of people do you get involved with? Yeah, it depends.

Sometimes it's a stranger, sometimes it's friends. Girls and guys? Girls and guys. Just...

She mails too? She mails, yes. She mails too. And...

On the sexual. On the sexual transgender. Mmm. I don't care.

Okay. I like people. Yeah. I'd like to see somebody else get their boobs painted.

Who else wants to volunteer? Yeah. Yeah. Come on up.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. We have Deja New, Kim.

Beautiful. Mmm-hmm. Kim from Deja New. Mother of Five is...

This is what I call a hot milk. Definitely. You're Mike, that's Susie. Don't hold it.

Okay. I'm going to hold it this way. So Kim, here you go. You've got direction already to give the artist.

I told him nothing children related. Nothing children related. No. That's a smart thing.

No cartoons. Okay. You talk about workplace and stuff. My workplace is at home, so...

Right. You're a horny housewife. I do this for free. Uh-huh.

Okay. Very good. All right. I'm going to have that.

Yeah. Milfness. Woo-hoo. Yeah.

Here we go. All right. Kim. Lovely.

You like to be naked? I love it. Mm. And you know what?

I never thought I would. You never thought you would? Nope. Were you very conservative in the past?

Not conservative. Insecure. Really? You were scared of...

You know what? I'm insecure right now thinking that people are looking at me, but... Let's hear it for Sister Campmore. I enjoy it more.

Woo-hoo. Once you get used to it, it just becomes, you know, I sit at a regular restaurant or something and I'm warm and it takes actual thought process to think, wait, you can't take your shirt off here.

Right. Right. Because it's just... Because then you'd be taking it in.

And what would your children say? Exactly. You know. Yeah.

Okay. That's why Robert's, you know, cruises and all those are so great because you don't have to pack very much. Mm.

Right. Right. Yeah. Not a lot of clothes.

Yeah. You know, I have enjoyed that about going to nude resorts. I've gone to... Where did we go?

Spa? Mountain? Sea Mountain. Sea Mountain Inn.

We went to Sea Mountain Inn and we went to Terracotta. Yes. And we had a great time and it was great. You didn't have to pack anything.

No? No? You know. Dr. Suzy, have a laugh about packing for trips.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember the first time that my wife and I went to one of the resorts and they have a lot of theme nights.

Mm-hmm. Now, mind you, women think shoes. I have to interrupt you before shoes. Can I have April sit in this chair?

Because, you know, this is my guest chair. It's okay. I can have... You know, I understand why you snuck in there.

All right. I want to hear from Carlos, too. Get ready, Carlos. I'm going to get at you.

Yeah. Okay. So go on with the shoes. So you pack your clothes.

You basically are packing the bare minimum. However, the resorts have theme nights. They have toga night. They have naughty squirrel and school boy night.

They have fetish night for those into fetish. This is where the merchandising comes in. You haven't packed anything, right? Exactly.

You can buy it right there. Exactly. Or... I'm serious.

This is going to be called the swing business, I think. Really? No, it's great. But you wind up taking maybe one bathing suit,

a pair of shorts, some flip-flops or sandals, maybe a pair of tennis shoes, and you're thinking you're nude, you're relaxing on the beach. Right.

You wind up packing about three suitcases just for your theme night clothes, and then, of course, women pack at least two suitcases for their shoes.

Of course. If you see somebody at the airport with a huge amount of luggage, you know they must be going to a swing or a resort. They're going to a nudist resort.

Yes, exactly, Scott. Well, I think it depends. I do. I mean, when we went to our nudist resort,

we really didn't pack anything. You always pack things. What are you talking about? Well, I mean, compared to the...

I usually pack like five suitcases and trunks and things. I packed just one suitcase for the nudist resort. That's it. I mean, you do go around nude sometimes.

Oh, you match me. I'm glad you're getting painted blue. Cute. How does it feel?

It feels creamy. Creamy. You're experienced with that. Does it feel like a tongue?

Um, no. It's a little too dry for that. Oh, yes, right. It's the hard bristles.

I don't feel that. I feel the actual paint. The paint. Yeah.

I feel a brush. Now I'm thinking about it too much, so I'm over-analyzing it. And how do you feel with all these appreciative eyes on you?

You know what? I don't even notice anymore. I'm appreciative that the lifestyle has given me the opportunity to feel as comfortable as I am being out in the open like this.

Let's give a hand for Sister Kim. All right. Awesome. There are straight women in the lifestyle too.

There are straight women who don't do it with girls. Not too many though. Not too many. No, it's a difficult thing.

That's where the swapping becomes difficult. Right. And it does happen. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

And how do you get around that? Hard to work on. You just find another girl? No.

Or you find another guy? You know, usually, well, like my husband and I, I usually pick our own friends, people that we have. It's hard to find a four-way match.

So after practicing and trying and everything, we've kind of come to the conclusion that we're just better off too. But we still do it together.

What do you do about jealousy? We don't have jealousy when it comes to sexual stuff. You don't have it? No.

Or you just don't minimize it? The only thing that I could say that would be considered jealousy, but it's not necessarily in a negative way that we express it is like something, you know,

that, oh, I wish I could be experiencing what I can see he's feeling right now. That's envy. More of envy, but envy comes with a negative,

I don't want him to have that. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Sort of just a wistful feeling you wish. But no.

For him and I personally, it's about, actually we got into it as married couples and he used to tell me about past experiences that he would have with his old girlfriends and stuff.

And it would get me excited. Oh. And that's something that gets so many women jealous. Yeah, and so that was how we discovered.

A lot of women say that they get into the lifestyle because of their, their bipartisan and their need to be with women and everything. But for me it was almost an ego trip or, you know,

some kind of pride issue of saying, you know, that's my man. You go get him, honey. Yeah.

And then so I've worked on myself a little bit too. Well, you've worked a lot out. Good for you. But you know, I just realized I'm not being a great hostess.

April, you know what I'm, I haven't done yet. The Agua. Agua. Agua.

Let's help our friends here. How do we do the Agua? Okay. I have a little Agua.

Agua Coco Leaf the Curve. This is not cocaine. It is lime salt. I'll let you start out, April.

Thank you. Maybe somebody there could pour. There we go. Okay.

So you get your drink and your cup and your salt. And Agua is a ritual we do here. You may want to include it in some of your little swing parties. Yes.

I think that's a good idea. Let's see. Yeah. Here we go.

Yeah. Here we go. Okay. So April is a veteran of Agua rituals.

Agua Lord. I am. She is. Lord of the Aguas.

And I don't know about. Okay. So. Oh, the wrist.

How about the boobies? Oh, the boobies. I don't know. How about the boobies?

Yeah. Yeah. The boobies. Definitely the boobies.

Open up. Bring it all out. Bring it all out. There she goes.

The nipples are always a good place to start. Nipples are a good place. And I think it's good to have both of them out. Both.

Both. Definitely both. Yes. There you go.

Yeah. You've got a lot of space to put that salt. Very nice. Yes.

Ana. Ana, you're definitely impressing all your tweets in Mexico there that are now watching through your friend. Nina.

Salty, huh? It's good. Good. Okay.

Are you ready? Women. Yeah. I don't have nipple space.

No, you don't really have nipple space. Can you do your own nipple? Can I do my own? There you go.

Yeah. No? Okay. Do my wrist?

Something more sexy. How about under your arm like that? Yeah. There you go.

Okay. So you guys, you know how to do it? Do you want to try it? We're learning.

You're learning? Okay. I want two guys. Two guys.

She does like two guys. Okay. Very good. Very good.

Good choice. It wouldn't be her first time. Very nice. Okay.

Here we go. Salt her up, man. That's why you have two boobs. That's right.

Yeah. Exactly. You know, it is why. You never thought of it that way.

You have two boobs for two guys. Nicoletta. Look how beautiful. Beautiful.

I've never seen a salt applied that way with the hands. That's interesting. Rub it on like a painter. I'm watching Jeff.

Yeah. Okay. Robert? Yes.

Okay. Did you salt them up yet? Salted. Okay.

So lean back. Let's make the most of this. Can I have a camera from this side? This direction over here, here?

Yes? Yeah, you can go there. We can bring a camera up here. Yeah, bring it up.

Come on up here. Come up here. Yeah, you can go up there. So you get in closer.

Get in the movie. Yeah. This is quite an agua moment here. You should lick it at the same time?

Okay. Okay. Here we go. Did you take your lick?

No. He's waiting. He's second. Robert, what are you doing?

He's shy. That was almost a chased lick, Robert. But at least it was a lick. Okay.

And now you're shot. You can drink your shot now. Oh, you drank it already. I'm the designated driver.

Oh, okay. Well, then, you know, take a swig of water. Absolutely. Yeah.

It's all called agua, anyway. Robert, you're doing such a good job. Right. You've got to get the salt off.

You've got to finish that off. See, she is a swing facilitator. Now he's giving it so much more sensuality. Now that he knows it's not just part of the ritual,

but you wanted more. Very good swing facilitator. Yeah. Okay.

You need a little too. You want a little salt? Yeah. You've got to put the salt on.

There you go. Salt it up there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Very nice little peek of salt. The nipple is getting very hard there, Nicoletta. He has a shot.

Very nice. There you go. Yes. Suck that up.

Beautiful nipples. Very nice. And down the hatch. That's our agua ritual.

Thank you. Very nice. Yeah. Heating up a little bit, huh?

Yeah. So we have a Twitter fan who loves to know about girls panties. What kind of panties are you? Are you wearing panties?

Or you have on invisible panties? Ooh, I wear panties and they're animalic. Ah, perfect. Because you are such an animal.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Let's see your animal panties.

You want to see, did he? Ooh. Whoa, sexy. Yes.

Leopard and lace. Yes. Can we see it? We see him from behind?

Yeah. Let's have a look here. Ooh, look at that. Very nice.

Very hot little leopard panties. Yes. Nice ass. That ass has been around.

Around the world. This is true. It's been around in a lot of the world. I see Scott looking at it like it's the first time we've seen the thing.

His eyes. Probably the first time. Well, actually it's not the first time with this many cameras on it. That's true.

It's not. Yeah. That ass has been well filmed and well-pleasured. Yeah.

And well-fucked. That's what you want to say. Have you fucked on camera? Actually, I did.

And I'm not a porn star, but I still had the... Well, I guess you are. Well, I guess I am now. Yeah, yeah.

Add to your list of credits. And to my bucket list. Yes, we were on the Swing Playboy reality show. Yeah.

And we lived on set for three weeks. And we filmed every single day, and it was a lot of fun. Wow. And so you were filming with them with swingers that came through Cassidy?

Correct. And every two days we would welcome a newbie couple and have a party for them and show them the ropes and break them in pretty much. The show was cast from Cassidy.

Everybody on the show was from Cassidy except for maybe two or three couples. And so they're all real couples? Correct, yes. Like you, your real couple.

Thank you. Nicoletta always got the action going. Every episode, every show, she was the one... So you were in it all the time then?

I was and I was the toy master and the girl master and everything, the newbie master. Good for you. Well, you're definitely a facilitator. You certainly facilitated Robert there.

Yeah. He's shy. Me, shy? Well, I think because Thor is not here, he doesn't know how much to go or not to go.

And he considers me a business partner and he's like, oh, you know... Nicoletta, sexual harassment on the job. Yeah. Well, you can do that on this kind of job, though.

That's right. It's mandatory to work in this business to have sexual harassment on the job. Well, you know, I don't know if it's mandatory, but it kind of goes together. It's, I don't know, the word harassment is so negative.

It's more like... It's pleasure. Play, teasing, play and... Yeah, office fucking, I guess is what it is.

Okay. Office fucking. Office fucking, right. That's good.

It should go with filing, right? Filing, fucking. Right. You know, actually they do a lot of that in France.

Office fucking. Yeah, they'll go into the supply room, really. Yeah. Yeah, and they'll just fuck, just for the pleasure.

For the pleasure. Yeah. Right. That's all.

Right. Just for that. Well, they're very échangiste. There's a lot of swing clubs in France.

A lot of swing clubs. When I was a fugitive, I lived in Cannes. It was tough. Yeah, yeah.

You know? And I think within just a few miles... There were three. Three or four.

Major ones. Yeah, four major ones. Three major ones. Yeah.

You know they have a naked city there. Yes, of course, yes. You go grocery shopping, naked. Or the bank.

Or the bank, or the restaurants, yeah. And actually that was funded by the government. What do you keep your money? You know.

In the bank. In my ass. Right. It's much safer in your ass than the bank.

I can tell you that. Between the boobs? I don't know, yeah. Yeah.

What is that city called? I was just thinking about that. Cap-Dug-D. Yeah.

Where is that? In southern France. In southern France. We haven't been there.

We have to go there. We have not been there. We're going to go there at some point. Yeah.

So you definitely don't need to pack. Right. Except you have to have like a purse or something. A fanny pack.

Sunscreen. Yeah. Sunscreen. You put all your shit in the sunscreen.

Where's your husband? Carlos? He's roaming around. Okay.

Last time I saw him he was having sex at the bar. He just had a shot of agua. It's a good time. Good.

Yeah. Did he have a salt? Yes. He had a little salt.

I missed that. So where's she going? I know. Your wife is abandoning you.

I hope she's going on the bed with the other girls. She's not dumb. Swing in USA. Yeah.

I've been replaced. So you're a filmmaker, of course. You've been on the show several times. Yes.

Of course. Hello. Thanks for having me. Hey.

Hey. Everybody, what's up? Been doing some great shows all around with April and, you know, around the corner at Studio Servitu and all kinds of places.

Yeah. We're doing art shows and we went to Hito as part of Dream Pledge of Tours. It was pretty amazing. We went to Hito.

We did circus erotica. It's really cool. Is that the first time you've been at Hito? No, that's our second time, but we're trying to make an annual event to go down

and invite the Americans to escape the oppression of USA to drop off. Yeah. You can tune out. How does it, how's it different?

I mean, when you escape the oppression, I mean, what does that mean? I'm joking. I love America. But Dream Pledge of Tours is really cool because you get to travel like-minded people.

So Hito is really cool when you get down there and you get to be nude and hang out and kind of live your life in the jungle of another country. In the jungle? Of another country.

Yes, yes. You know, I often say that, you know, natural sexuality is like the jungle, wild and free, and monogamy is like a garden and you have to work at it and cultivate it.

But if you swing- A very unhappy garden. Well, yeah, like the Garden of Eden. Except, you know, I don't know if you've read this book, Sex at Dawn.

Oh, you've got to read that by Christopher Ryan and I have to sell to Jeffus. They've been on the show a couple of times. And it's all about how Adam and Eve were not kicked out of the garden. They were kicked into the garden because a garden takes work.

A garden is a farm, basically, and you've got to stay on it. You can't keep hunting and gathering. And then, you know, it's all about, you know, owning things like you own the property and you own the animals and you own your wife and you own your children

and maybe some slaves. And this is where just the tragedy of civilization comes in. Really, Adam and Eve weren't kicked into a- out of a garden. They were kicked into a garden when they ate the apple

and they stopped swinging, you know? And they learned where babies came from, I guess, so that men got all, like, possessive about women. And swinging, I mean, seems to me to be about, you know,

kind of getting back to that way that we were created to just- to love each other, to love different people, you know? Humans aren't naturally monogamous. I mean, it's okay to try and to work at it.

And I support you in that effort, you know? Like an art piece, if you want to be monogamous, you can create that. But the natural way is to do it with different people and the natural way seems to be to get divorced.

So, swingers try to stay together by doing it in the jungle. It's also about communication, trust and honesty. The key words there. And with the trust and honesty,

somebody had mentioned a little while ago that there's no jealousy, there's no insecurity, because you're on the same wavelength you're thinking, you're communicating, and it takes you into a different realm of reality in a positive way.

Absolutely honesty, you know? I mean, because so many couples just can't be honest about this. They're afraid. I mean, I know, I talk to them all the time. So, swingers are definitely courageous,

are on the front lines of sexual progress. So, my hat isn't quite off, but, you know, tipped. Anyway, yeah. Well, you have some couples they might like to go hiking

or they might want to go skydiving. Yeah, that's fun. Right. But you can also dress up your wife and sit her out on an adventure

and maybe something will happen, maybe something won't. Wow. Okay, you said a mouthful there. Dress up your wife and send her out on an adventure. Is that what you do with April?

No, I never said that. I'm just saying, there are some husbands that participate in those kind of things. Well, I know, I know some of them actually.

And also, just as a note, going to the jungle of Jamaica kind of as the exact opposite of the explanation regarding the eating, you get to like, it's really different because when you travel a dream pleasure tour,

you get there, it's wonderful, it's all inclusive. You don't have to think about anything except your outfit at nine o'clock that you get to have fun with. So it's a great opportunity to relax and kind of travel to a place

that you normally don't get to see. Yeah. Well, I guess I think it's a jungle because of all the variety of partners that you can have.

Well, that's kind of a joke. It's 45 minutes through to, I mean, it's a jungle driving from, you know, West Hollywood to Los Angeles. That's just to get.

I think it's a worse jungle. Yeah, it's the same amount of effort to get a job. You can get shot or somebody hit you. Yeah, it's a bad jungle.

It's the same thing. Or the LAPD stops you and shoots you. So what do you like personally about swinging? What I like personally about swinging?

Well, you know, you get to interact with other people who are like-minded. It's like everyone gets to see the same UFO. You know, like some people see a UFO,

not everyone gets to see it. You're like, hey, these are my neighbors. I saw it. So swinging is just like that.

You're like- And is there any prejudice? Like you're black, right? Sometimes.

You probably have a big dick or something, you know. Yeah. That's the whole, you know. So is there some of that?

That's funny. I'm only black when people remind me I'm black, but most of the time I'm just being- No, I think that everybody is kinky.

I think there's different social taboos and I think everyone wants to experiment. I think when you're swinging, it's a different society of people that are like-minded.

So you kind of want to eliminate the squares of the world. You want to go deep into the world of abnormality. But normal is kind of, what is normal? Yeah.

Well, I think you're going into the world of the natural. The natural. Well, I think the most interesting, the most asked question as therapist,

when we were one of the leading world therapists, we talked to Arabs, we talked to Egyptians, Italians, all over the world. Christians.

Christians, every time somebody sells a computer, we get a new client, right? Because they want to know if they're normal. Isn't that right?

Well, I think swinging, like Robert says, it involves a lot of trust and communication. So it's not for everyone. I mean, everyone can't get past the things

that you need to get to. It's not- everybody can't experience it because jealousy and envy, those things kind of come into place. You have to be very secure in your romance,

but also want to pursue, like, something new. Well, you are getting a very elaborate body painting going on here. Very nice. Look at this.

Let's give some applause to our work of art. That's beautiful. Yeah. Sister Kim, Deja New, and Jeff.

Yeah, very nice. Very nice. I mean, can we get another person up here with who wants to get painted?

I also want to take a couple of minutes to talk about something that happened today. Okay. It's a magazine.

Yeah, okay. Let's get another person up here to get body painted while you're doing that. Can we do that?

Can I get a camera over here? Yeah. This is Richardson Magazine. Oh, yeah.

And it's just full of what some people might call pornography, but it's in the Museum of Modern Art with Annie Sprinkle, with many artists, performance artists.

And of course, a magazine that's not really commercially viable, but it is funded by... American Apparel.

American Apparel. And we applaud you, American Apparel, for putting hundreds of thousands of dollars into publishing.

You can show some of the picture. Erotic art. Yeah. Here.

And... And I actually did an interview with them today. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

Wow. This is like pretty serious erotic art right here. But this is in the Museum of Modern Art in New York. That's where you can buy this magazine.

You can't buy it up in Hollywood Boulevard, only at fine bookstores. Can you buy it at the American Apparel manufacturing plant just down the street here?

We should be able to, right? But this is a crazy guide. It makes these clothing... It makes this clothing.

And he funds really a revolution. And an evolution. I take my hat off to him, but I can't right now,

because I have headsets on. Yeah. It's quite an interesting magazine. It's beautifully produced.

I haven't had a chance to really read it. And it's done by... Richardson. What's his first name?

Andrew Richardson. Terry. You know? Terry Richardson.

Terry? Uh... Andrew. Andrew.

I think it's Andrew. That one, and this one here, has one of my people I hate the most. Oh, yes.

Sasha Gray. Your favorite. Sasha. Can't stand a woman.

But there she is on the front cover. You're going to share this article with her, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

That's good. That's good. Anyway, I want to applaud American Apparel and Richardson Magazine

and the Museum of Modern Art. Yeah. So, great. Now...

Give me back the magazines. Yep, yep. We don't want to get paint on them. I want to find out who's getting painted now.

Doctor, where's the other one? Whoops, whoop, whoop, whoop. Oh, here's... Wait a second.

Can I have the other one, please? Yes, you can. Thank you, darling. Okie dokie.

So, you are... I'm Juju. I'm Jeff's girlfriend. Juju, Jeff's girlfriend.

Oh, no wonder he's saving your boobs for last. And that's nice. I like that. He's actually keeping them here.

And what... Your name is Juju. Yes. As in, like, you're not like a...

As in J-E-U. J-E-U. You're not a Juju. Like, I'm a good Juju.

You're a good Juju. Oh, I don't want to tell my rabbi about that. But you're a J-U-J-U. I'm a J-U-J-U.

J-U-J-U. You're like a Juju bee. Yes. Yes.

You're candy. You're very chewy. So it sounds like you've got some people out there that are familiar with your Juju bee. Yes, a lot of people know me.

And you're a swinger. I am. And how did you get into the swing scene? I actually saw a special on Playboy about swingers and decided that that was the lifestyle I wanted to be in.

Were you married at the time? I was not, no. You were not? I was in a relationship and he didn't want to swing with me.

And I found Jeff and he did want to swing with me. And so I asked him to bring me to a club and we've been dating ever since and been in the lifestyle ever since. Oh, really? And so you met him at a club?

No, I actually met him through his body painting. Another business connection. Is it? Yep.

Really? God, you capitalist swingers you. So what do you do? What kind of work do you do?

I'm a secretary. Nothing special, but I'm also a student. It's just making a lot of people fantasize a lot. Office harassment and that whole thing.

Yeah. Yeah, you're secretary. What are you studying? Psychology.

Ah, well, you need that for swinging. Yeah, definitely. You've got to seduce people. You've got another psychology.

Of course. Absolutely. And you've got 10 minutes stock? I do.

Yeah, I see that. So how does it feel when you get painted? It feels amazing. Yeah.

I love it. Is it like sex or? Well, it's not like sex. It's like for play, absolutely.

And then you like to kind of flounce around naked? I do. And then, of course, I love to fuck it off. Fuck it off.

Absolutely. Yes. With the sweat and the body fluids. The sweat and the rubbing against people.

I like that. Is this edible paint? It's pretty hot. It's pretty hot.

It's non-toxic, yes. Non-toxic. It doesn't necessarily taste good, but it won't hurt. It's swinger proof.

Swinger proof. Absolutely. Very important. So, well, you look great.

You know, you're getting a nice purple design on you. And very good. So, who else is out here that hasn't told me some swinger confession? You.

Silence. Do you have a confession to make? No. No?

Are you her husband? I love swinging. You're her husband. Yes.

Are you also with the deja nu? Yes. Can you just get on a microphone? You want to get up here?

Okay. This one. This one. Uh-huh.

Yeah. He looks like he likes holding on to your wife. I'm sure she likes it, too. Yeah.

So, you're part of the whole deja nu experience. Do you have a regular job, too? Oh, yeah. Yeah?

Uh-huh. What do you do? Top secret. You can't even tell me the kind of work you do?

Utilities. Utilities. Like, state? Utility.

I mean, you work for... Do you take care of pipes? Departments of water and power? I lay pipe all day.

Pipes. No, you lay pipe at night. That's what you do for fun. I do it during the day and I do it at night.

Ah, I see. So, you really don't do two different things. Okay. Okay.

And so, how do you feel about, you know, the whole swing scene? Is this like your dream come true? Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

It gives us the freedom to have fun together and to enjoy sex and let each other express their, you know, their needs and desires. And what is your favorite thing? Is it to have sex with other women, to watch your wife with other men, to be in an orgy,

to be in a threesome? I couldn't say anything's a favorite, because I kind of just, in the mood, whatever's there is favorite to me, I guess. I, individual, three, four, four hundred, it doesn't...

Let me ask you, you know, most swingers are pretty conservative. What would you tell Governor Perry, Perry of Texas? You know, what would you say to him? I would say lighten up, pretty much.

Lighten up. Yeah, I mean, enjoy your life a little bit. Don't be so locked in. All right, yeah.

Did you hear that? I think he'd like to be a dom. He needs to get himself a paddle and a whip. Tell Governor Perry he can pray for being a swinger.

He could use it. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah.

So, I mean, are you guys all agnostic, or does anybody here have a religion that they're into? None. None. This is just like, hedonistic, agnostic...

More spiritual, I think. Yeah, spiritual. Do you find a spirituality in this lifestyle? I think I find spirituality in life in general.

And everything that includes life brings that more spirituality base to full fruition. And is this your, are you into like being the goddess of the orgy? I do go to church. You do?

Really? What kind of church? Romanian Orthodox Church. Is that where you're from?

That's it, yes. Romania. And it's in Romanian. Yeah.

How often do you go? Oh, whenever they're, they have Romanian food after church. What, now, does your Romanian family go there too? They, no, they...

They're all in Romania. Correct. So, do they know what you're doing? Do they know you're queen of the swingers here in America?

If they know, they never brought it up. You talk to them, though, every once in a while? Oh, correct, yes. But we don't talk about what we do.

Really? But they know Scott. Oh, yes. They know him very well.

They know him as just this tech guy. Correct. They don't know about Cassidy? They do, because they send me emails at my Cassidy address.

So, they do know. They just don't talk about it. Correct. This is like we were talking, this is the secret that everybody knows.

The secret that everybody knows. They know that. Well, in Europe, it's different. Not a big deal.

Well, you just don't talk about it. It's just, you know, like when, you know, all the men have mistresses, the wives never talk about it. It's just... It's very...

Except when the men have mistresses, they do that in prominence. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The men have mistresses, but the mistresses are somebody else's wife.

That's called swinging. Yeah. Well, if they're another person. In a separate room.

Isn't it? I don't know if that's called swinging. Right. It's not open.

No, I understand. Even though sometimes actually the wife and the mistress goes shopping together. Right, exactly. Sometimes.

Right. Sometimes. And they become very good friends and... You've got four minutes.

Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, swinging is just really catching on everywhere. It's catching on in different ways. You know, there's lots of people that do it in different ways.

Some of them go to church and some of them go to mosque and some of them get body painted. I think a lot of the younger kids that come here, they're not involved in a swinging situation. But they sure as hell exchange partners. They do.

They don't call it swinging. But they don't call it swinging. What do we call it now? The Facebook.

Facebook. Right, right. Facebook. Yeah.

Wait a second. Facebook. Well, I mean... Fluid.

Fluid. Fluid. Fluid. I have a fluid relationship.

Fluid. Yeah. That's next level though. That's not for a normal person.

No, right. But no, a lot of young people here is like, it's normal stuff. You know, you say swinger and they go, what? What does that mean?

What does that mean? Well, that's big band dancing, you know. Oh, yes. Right.

But yeah, I mean a lot of them, you know, certainly, well, we're always talking to people in porn and they're all swinging. There's just so much exchanging that goes on now. Just a lot of it.

So, we've only got a few more minutes. So, let's just go around and tell us where you're from and where we can find you. Let's start with you, Robert. You can find us at Dream Pleasure Tours 888-660-9733 is our US international phone number.

You can be just there. And one of our agents is glad to help you. And he said we can help you go to a resort during a swinger week, a nudist week, any kind of vacation you'd like to take, we can do it for you.

So, you're basically, oops, am I on? You're swinging travel agents. Yes, we are. Okay.

And do you arrange the tour? Yes, we do. We have different taker weeks. For example, Carlos and April will be down at Heednism II, June 2nd through 9th, 2012,

for our annual Circus Herodic event. It's an amazing event. Matter of fact, Jeff, the body painter will be there. We're going to have a human petting zoo this year.

And Jeff's going to do the body painting with different animals. Oh, you can also see video at Vimeo slash Dream Pleasure video. That's where you can see video from last year's fire performances and, you know, everything that happened at Heednism.

Vimeo.com slash Dream Pleasure video. Awesome. Okay. And Ms. Cassidy.

You can find us at www.cassidy.com. And that's K-A-S-I-D-I-E.com. And that's where you find all the parties, posted all the sexy swingers in the country.

And of course, all the events that Dream Pleasure tours put up for everybody. And do we get to see you? Of course. Actually, when you sign up, you get a friend request from our profile.

So we're going to be your first friends on Cassidy. And you better accept it. Okay. Okay.

And so let's see. You're going to tell us about Deja New. Deja New events. Yeah.

You can find us on the web at www.dejanewevents.com. But you can also find us on Cassidy because we post all of our parties there. Okay. Get information about what's coming up and what's going on.

And Ms. April. My website is fattyd.com, F-A-T-T-Y-D.com. But then, again, you can party with me if you go to a Dream Pleasure tours party in hedonism at hedonism, hedonism, sorry.

And you can find that on their website. Yeah. Don't watch that tip. Oh.

Never. Right. Okay. Anything more?

You want to add to that, Carlos? For any films that you want to buy of ours, you can go to CarlosBats.com that's C-A-R-L-O-S B-A-T-T-S.com and get all the fabulous April Flores films. Our new film was called Sola to TLAVideo.com.

It's a new one featuring the wonderful, beautiful, voluptuous April Flores. Thank you, Dr. Susan. And now we have the wonderful, beautiful, voluptuous Anna. You can find us at www.theeroticparadise.webs.com.

We'll be hosting parties between IE and LA forever. Our next one will be September 9th and 10th for that whole weekend. Okay. Fun, fun, fun.

And now, yes, what do you have to promote besides your boobs that look great? Well, just the body painter. Oh, you've got a whole shower of glitter now. Yep.

Lots of glitter. Very pretty. You can find Jeff at jeffthebodypainter.com. And he does all sorts of swing events, normal events, you name it.

And where can we hire you to be our secretary? Well, you can find me also at Jeff's website. Oh, yeah. That's right.

Yeah. Okay. You've got a dragon there. Very nice, very nice.

Okay. So, Jeff, do you have anything to add to all of this? Well, you can find me on the website. If you ever have any questions, email us.

We're at all the events, or at least mostly events that are going on. So, we just look forward to body painting. All right. Yeah.

And thank you for having us on the show. Well, it's my pleasure. I really, of course, support the whole swing community. And I certainly support taking vacations.

And cruising and just, you know, partying with a capital P. So, I guess we're going to wind up the formal broadcast of the show. But I hope you all stay for the erotic after party and keep on painting a little bit. And the pictures and its people up here for...

Oh, yeah. We're going to... We have to do our... Promotions.

Yes. Promotions. Even the Communist hippies do promotions. Very promotion-oriented.

So, let's see. So, those of you who are out there, you know, I mean, maybe this feeds your fantasies. Maybe this will just push you over the edge to give dream pleasure towards a call, or join Cassidy, or Deja New, or the erotic paradise.

Yes. So many possibilities. So many different swing opportunities out there for you. You know?

You don't have to be alone in your little garden toiling away, planting your seeds. Yes. You can get out there in the jungle and swing through the trees as well as with each other. Like the bonobos.

Like our ancestors probably did. You know? Surely did. You know?

So, yeah. Maybe it's something you can do. Maybe it's something you can only fantasize about. But whatever you do, I want you to be happy.

I want you to be good. I want you to make like the bonobos. Not the baboons. And adopt a bonobo.

Definitely adopt a bonobo because they are the original swingers, and they always remind us of our orgiastic heritage. And they show us that not only is sex with different partners fun, not only does it give the females a chance to really kind of organize things,

and yeah, kind of rule things, but it creates peace. Somehow the bonobos have figured out how to use sex to defuse violent tension. And I think swingers figure that out too because most parties where there's a lot of action have some violence, but there's pretty much never violence associated with swinging.

So certainly not lethal violence. So, you know, there is something to this peace through pleasure concept. The swingers show us and the bonobos inspire us. So make like bonobos, not baboons.

Make love, not war. Make love to someone you love tonight, even if that someone is you. I love you.