Tamera in Bonobville

Full transcript of Tamera in Bonobville on The Dr. Susan Block Show:

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You're listening to RadioSuzi1 on the World Wide Web. Artists and exhibitions, voyeurs and connoisseurs, bonobo buffs, and snake lovers, Edie's back in town. Yeah. Loonies and supermoonies, not the reverence on young moon-moonies.

The supermoon, we're on the, on the Eve, yes Eve of the supermoon, the harvest moon, brothers and sisters, lovers and sinners. And yes indeed, we are all children of sex. We may or may not be children of God, Jesus, Allah, Aphrodite,

Brahma, Ramadana, Buddha. These are all names for what we may or may not be children of. But one thing we do know, we are all children of sex. Can I hear an amen? Amen.

Can I hear an A-women? A-women. I want to welcome you to Dr. Susie Speakeasy Cathedral, the womb room. Yes indeed, where it's warm inside. And it is inside of the Garden of Bonoboville.

Yes indeed, that's where we are. And Eve is back, Eve is, yeah she's 15 years old and she's taken like a month to shed and she hasn't even fully shed so please bear with us. But she wanted to come out for the show right before the supermoon.

She did because, I don't know, she was like howling at the moon or a snakes version of howling, like kind of slithering all around wanting to get out of her cage. And she's been very happy in her cage for a while

so it must be time for slithering and howling, right? And gathering around. Yes indeed, it's the harvest moon and it's the first moon of the fall. It doesn't feel like fall at all.

It feels like summer. Hot, hot summer here if you're in Los Angeles and you're tuned into us live. But it is the first supermoon after equinox, autumn equinox. So we're falling, falling into the bonobo way.

Oh yeah, and it's true lots of people are going bonobos. People you might not think would go bonobos in your lifetime, in my lifetime. Like the Pope. It's amazing.

The Pope is saying all these bonobo things, all these peace things, all these, you know, community things. Shaming these Congress people. Shaming, I mean, being or quit right after the Pope came to visit.

Was that a coincidence or? He said it was part of it. He actually, he said yes. He was shamed.

I guess. That's the kind of shame I like. I don't like sexual shame for the most part. But that kind of shame, you know, that's good.

And this Pope is very into the earth, really, into respect for nature, which I think is unusual for any organized religion. Usually it's like domination over nature. And of course there is still a lot of domination from the Catholic church.

Well, he is trying to get some more sheep because, you know, the sheep have been disseminated. The sheeple. Yes.

So he has a political agenda. He does, he does. He's trying to get back some of the sheep that left. Right.

And he pointed out that he is also an American. Oh, right. Which was great. That was great.

And everyone, American. What? South American. Right?

It's a whole continent. We don't usually think about when we call ourselves Americans. This Pope is kind of interesting. He's a Franciscan.

Francis. Right. So there's still not very sexual. I mean, there's still like all this celibacy and, you know,

no birth control and all that. So, you know, we can't exactly sign up for it. But it is nice. It is nice that there's respect for nature and that he got the

Speaker of the House to resign. That was really cool. So we're excited about the fall and we're really excited about our guests tonight.

We have with us some very, very special humans, kind of as Bonobo as humans can get, I think. Yeah. Very Bonobo, which is high compliment from me.

And from anyone actually who knows what Bonobos are. And they are peace ambassadors. Sabine. Let me pronounce this right.

Liechtenfeld. Yes. Yes. Peace ambassador, author, theologian, head of the Global Love

School and spiritual research in Tamara, the community that you might have heard about. It's an almost legendary community, but it really is real. It really does exist in Portugal.

Starting in Germany, we're going to hear more about that. And Taranova from Sabine Liechtenfeld and Benjamin von Mendelsen. I know how to pronounce that because that's a famous name. So welcome to Bonoboville.

Yeah, absolutely. And can you please ascend to our stage here, the broadcast bed. This is the area. And I guess, yeah, they can take their microphones.

And yeah, absolutely. There you go. Yep, yep. Oh, yeah.

You're sitting good. Very good. Perfect. Perfect.

Welcome. Okay. Talk into the microphone right there. Turn the microphones on.

No. Unmute the microphones. Unmute the microphones. Okay.

You should be good. Say hello. Hello. There.

I hear you. Okay. That, by the way, was Dayton Rains just in case you were wondering.

And this is Sabine. Welcome to Bonoboville. Thank you for welcoming us here. Oh, I'm so excited to have you here.

And I want to give a shout out to Dr. Serena Gaia Anderlini Donofrio, who arranged this program. And she's the co-editor, along with Lindsay Hageman, who we'll be talking to later, of eco-sexuality when nature inspires the arts of

love. And you have a beautiful essay in there. Yeah. About Lilith.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of Eve and Bible stories. Very interesting.

And you have an interesting, just there's so much interesting about you. I don't know where to start. But I want to welcome Benjamin as well.

Thank you. Okay. And talk to the mic. There you go.

And Benjamin, you are also a leader of Tamara and Teranova. And why don't both of you explain what Tamara and Teranova are? Okay.

So, first of all, I'm really impressed about your way of how you deal with the snake in this century. Oh, thank you. Because I think killing the snake is something of the history

of our humanity. Yes. And bringing the life of a snake back in a kind of cooperation is part of the work of Tamara.

Thank you. And Tamara is a peace research village. We call it Healing Biotope. And the core of it is that we, I think we lost the wisdom of

tribal knowledge. And you mentioned that America and South America is one. And I think coming back to the wisdom of community, this is the core of Tamara.

And to come back to the wisdom of community, you also have to come back in a certain way of being aware of the holy source of sexuality. The holy source.

Yes. And Tamara on its whole tries to create a model where we can show that peace is possible on this planet. That's very holy.

Yeah. And that you can show there is cooperation between all beings. And so we designed a water retention landscape.

And just now we are coming from a pilgrimage walking water in the desert of Owens Valley. And looking from where is the water of Los LA coming? Uh-oh.

We're in trouble. Yes. And they're seeing that the water and community is so much connected.

And Tamara is like a little island. It's like a acupuncture point where you can see if you connect with the water. And if you connect with the wisdom of community, suddenly

the whole area changes. So this in short words, maybe you have to add something. Something. Something.

Yeah. Tamara, I came to Tamara 19 years ago and I was attracted really that they wanted to create not just a community somewhere out of society but really a new

cultural model. And what really fascinated me was the complexity of it. That there was ecological work just as well as erotic work and really on the same level.

And in a way, all the kind of areas we deal with in our life as a normal human being were researched and really looked at deeply and in truth. And that's what we are still about.

Tamara has been an exploration of eco-sexuality before there was the term eco-sexuality. And it is in part the brainchild of Dr. Dieter Duhm who is, is he there now?

Is he in Germany? No. He is now in Portugal and Tamara. Oh, he's in Portugal and Tamara.

Okay. And he just wrote this book. He wrote this book, Terra Nova. Yes.

And he also has a chapter, an essay in eco-sexuality about sex piece and green piece coming together. And that is, to a great degree, the essence of Tamara bringing sex, love, and peace together, which is the

bonobo way, folks. You know, it's like this is, there's a movement here going on. And you're at the forefront of this movement.

You've been doing this since, would you say, 1978? 78. 78 when you got involved with Dieter? Yes.

Dieter was very known in Germany as in the students movement. He was one of the left wing people. Oh yes, like Max, a revolutionary. Revolutionary fighting the system.

And fighting, he was very touched by the war in Vietnam. And this made him writing books. And he made the very known book Fear and Capitalism.

And then he noticed, wow, the same corruption is going on in the left wing movement. They are fighting against the system, but inside the whole trouble, the whole competition, all the

struggle. And the male dominance. Yeah, male dominance, of course. And this brought him to say, I have to step out of

the system and I have to build something like a university where we do research on all levels. And I was 12 years younger than him. And when I was 16, I had the dream, I said, I

want to build a village. I want to show that another kind of living together is possible and that it must be possible that you love more than one person, also on a sexual

level. You felt this when you were a teenager. This feeling of wanting to love more than one person.

Yes, I felt the betrayment everywhere. I felt, wow, the husbands, they have their wives. And then they go to the Brussels and they

don't speak up to their wives. And I thought, no, this cannot be. And I don't go into personal experiences, but this made me to look up on the, to look for

new ways. And I met Dieter Doom in 1978. Where did you meet him? How?

I had a friend and he was, I was in relationship to him and telling him, look, other ways must be possible. Okay.

And we together started the vision of a village. And he met Dieter Doom. He was a physicist.

And they, he brought him to my house. This was 1978 and we shake hand and he told me about his dream and I noticed to realize my dream, I must become much

more radical. And so we three were the ones who started the whole thing. So did you fall in love?

Yes. Yes. Yes. I fall in love in a new way.

In different levels. Yeah. Because I, I were divorced already because I noticed.

You were divorced. Yeah. And how old were you? 22.

Wow. Okay. My, my beloved partner, we were, I told him of the village and he loved the idea of

the village. But he was so jealous. Yeah. So deeply jealous.

And there I could feel the first time jealousy destroys love. But you weren't jealous of him? No.

No. And he said that I'm not jealous. It's a sign that I don't love him. And this made me think, wow, what, what

is about jealousy? If you look to television, you see Liz Taylor, how she says, if he goes to another woman, I will kill him.

And this is the condition of love? No. Cannot be. It's the condition of possessiveness.

Yes. That's it. Yeah. And so I, when I met Dieter, I knew I

don't want to marry. I don't want to partner in this old way. Yeah.

And I loved him. Yeah. And I met him and we came together and we walked in the supermarket and

he said, look, if I see this woman, for example, if I see this, what is triggered in him? And I, the first time,

heard really the story of a man because I was not in partnership. Right. Your other guy didn't tell you.

Maybe I can support you that you can meet her. And so this was the way how we met.

And so this brought us to a very deep level of partnership. This came later, three years later, or something like this.

And did you feel that feeling that polyamorous is called compersion? Do you know what that is?

Compersion? It's a word that is the opposite of jealousy, where you take pleasure in your partner's

pleasure. Of course. I think, for me, this was the main discovery to see that we

need fully new social structures, that jealousy can be healed. Because in our society, jealousy is natural.

But if you have a surrounding where you are embedded, where you have trust, and so, for example, me, I'm a mother of a

young daughter. She's now 31. And there's another woman. She is the mother of a daughter.

And they are half sisters. So we shared the beloved partner. Sure.

And this was possible to do it because we were a community. What religion did you grow up with?

Religion. Did you grow up with a religion? Did you grew up believing in anything?

Many people think I grew up with religion. But my father was conductor. My mother was a dancer.

And I fall in love to my religious teacher. This brought me to study theology. There's some note here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was concerned with questions of love and was connected to Jesus as a revolutionary role

model. I guess that doesn't mean you grew up with religion. But you like Jesus as a

revolutionary role model. And this was because of my religious teacher. And I felt, wow, Jesus must

have been really an impressive person. And when I was a child and I visited church, I always asked

myself if Jesus would enter here, would they recognize him? And I thought, no, they would

send him out like they did then. And so my research of community was very much about

the question, how is a real love yourself like your neighbor possible? And then I saw it will be

only possible if you include the sexual question. And in the Bible, there are not so many words about it.

There's a few words, but mostly they're pretty repressive. Not as repressive as the interpretations of them, but

like the whole idea that what's his name, Onan, was struck dead. He wasn't even really

masturbating, but he was struck dead for spilling his seed on the ground. So, yeah, we have

some sex-negative messages in many of our good books. And coming up with spiritual, sexual, new

messages and memes and missions is incredibly important to the future of mammals, I guess.

I mean, the earth will survive, but, you know, we might not, and a lot of species close to us.

That is the question. And can we kind of displace some of this destructive energy into

creative sexual, erotic energy? Yeah, maybe we can. I mean, that's, I think we can. I mean,

we probably won't, but we can, and we should, and maybe we will. And, you know, you're such a great example

of this. And I got to ask, though, I mean, the people that come to me, they're all like cool, groovy

people like you, or do you ever get someone who's like a gun nut and turn them into a piece nut? Sorry, gun nut?

Well, someone who's like violent and like really has problems with... Crazy people. Crazy people, you know? Have you

ever tried working with someone like that? Of course. Yeah. We are mainly working with crazy people.

Well, crazy, okay. We're all working with crazy people and we look to this planet, and I'm mainly, I

personally go a lot to crisis areas and I'm working in areas where a lot of violence happens. Yeah. And to

see how much all this violence is created by fear and from fear comes violence, aggression.

And this is always, I think love and sexuality is a political issue. And these people often forget, they

think it's a personal question if they are divorced or failing in their love relationship yeah and this is the core where I I feel community is like the gold what we have to regain and if there is community with transparency and truth criminality will disappear see the funny thing is the community already

exists anyway I mean we are in this community because humans are like that it's just that we are our kind of education and our civilization puts us against each other as individuals pits us against each other in competition for wealth and for sex partners really yeah and and you know so we're still in a

community it's just a community that's got a lot of fighting going on so so we can't get away from community it's it's like we're it's built into us like like bonobos and chimps and ants right we've got Lindsay Hageman on the line hello Lindsay Lindsay is of course the co-editor of

eco-sexuality when nature inspires the arts of love and it's a beautiful book that is also co-edited with our friend Serena Anderlini and I know that that Lindsay was very inspired by Dr. Dieter Dooms the sacred matrix from the matrix of violence to the matrix of life when she first moved to winward which

is a community so Lindsay are you there yes I am hey welcome to our little gathering here pre-supermoon yes thank you how you doing I'm really lucky the moon is rising here and above the pine trees yes we see it too right above Bonoboville it's really impressive I mean it is so big I think I have to say a

little bit about why it's so big maybe you know more about this Lindsay but it's not only a full moon or almost full tonight but it's also at perigee which means it's the closest to earth that the moon is all month so you got the fullness and the closeness and it's whoa like a big globe in the sky so how does

well I think my snake feels the same way but she can't sing so tell us about how Tamara inspired you yeah well for me it's such an affirmation and inspiration about bringing together the ecological consciousness and the erotic consciousness in the context of community and that intertwining those three aspects of

ecology erotic intelligence and community it's for me has been such a powerful wealth thing for me so thank you for being for all the work that you've been doing because it's really been a source of inspiration for me hmm well so you've got a community up there don't you Lindsay are you part of a community yes I am I

think about it as a bonobo bill too yes it is a bonobo bill we kind of call all communities that kind of combine this eroticism with a kind of ethics respect for the earth and the community a bonobo bill that's a community that is you know kind of bearing more to the bonobo side of our human nature than to our

common simpsons so tell us about your community yes well the community is called a wingward and similar to tomorrow we have a focus on developing ecological awareness and we have gardens and orchards and we tend to the trees and we too live in a very dry area so we focus a lot on retaining water within the

landscape and practicing permaculture we're also a polyamorous community so there's a lot of a sharing of love of the resources in the community and developing erotic intelligence and awareness about how to use relationships to to strengthen community and to really strengthen our capacity to attend to

the land so that's a little bit about what we're up to well very very nice there's so many bonobo bills popping up but Tamara is really a pioneer in this in this area and did you have any questions for Sabine she's going to be coming up to see you soon right actually one of her co-workers are

communitarians they are sober men and and more and we're Miyaki are coming up and we're looking forward to seeing them so you've got a whole community that's traveling now this is this water project water walking yeah okay so you're gonna have other people from Tamara come up there cool mm-hmm yeah I think the

question for me for Sabine is well has kept you continuing to do this work what keeps you going yeah it keeps you happy what gives you pleasure for you personally how do you keep the Sabine body mind and soul going for the sake of the community as well as for your own sake on one side I would say the

love to the planet and I would also say the memory of a huge picture of community it's like a tree has to know from where he's coming he or she and this is the seed and if we connect to the seed and if we know wow our whole body system is community then you connect to the divine powers and for me errors is the

core of the divine power and this keeps me going I also have to say I face a lot of pain because you open your heart for all life yeah and then seeing what is going on on this planet right now and to see how humanity still is asleep how humanity still is so much in this kind of ego system which on a personal level

creates a lot of pain and on a society level creates a lot of pain and I think we are in the last call in an emergency call and I always have to nourish the belief or the system which brings me the healed energy and this is nature this is water this is cooperation with nature and then to have a lot of friends to

have community this is a big gift yeah well so that that's amazing that you just get so much joy from giving joy to others yeah in a way yes and it's very bonobo and really it just does underline that you don't necessarily have to teach people how to share because sharing is natural sharing feels good maybe

yeah the the core of teaching is how do we come back to this feeling we are love exactly because we we already are taught not to share that that's the problem is our education system our whole civilization has kind of untaught us the sharing that is probably very natural just like it is to bonobos bonobos love

to share yeah they'd rather share than than have it to themselves and they especially love sharing with strangers yeah so Lindsay it's so nice to have you join us and thank you for including of course Sabine's wonderful essay on on Lilith and your experience at Malta which is an interesting peace island of

course maybe to mention that there is a whole book about it yes called temple of love for me is the source when you ask myself from where do you take the courage and the strengths it was the rediscovery of a memory of a huge society where errors was and you had a vision yeah have a bit I guess you have

a lot of visions so I've heard you're kind of a visionary yeah but I mean not just in the sense of philosophical visions but real like people from archetypes coming to visit you in your dreams like Lilith yeah yeah amazing so it's very vivid and it's right there in

ecosexuality so and Lindsay it's it's just such a pleasure you have to come down here and visit our bonobo bill and one day we'll visit yours so we have a whole 20 acres of land that we call Lilith Forest that ecosexuals romp around and during the ecostics convergent it's beautiful wow that is

just delicious that just oh do I need to come up there to give me something yes it's CDHBO oh the HBO looking there oh I got it okay all right anyway Lindsay love you so you haven't heard that much about you and your famous family and I mean are they okay with you being part of the sex commune I mean a piece well actually I

do not lead my life so much according to their ideas that's true and I mentioned they are as dread dreaded I mean they dreaded and they love it you know this kind of secret pride where which parents of families have when the black sheep of the family fulfills all the fantasies they never really dare to put out I think

I think so I think so because I had a Mendelssohn a von Mendelssohn friend me on Facebook so what's that I don't it's a pretty girl they must have been my daughter I was delighted and I of course been promoting our show and I bet been very excited about this show for a number of reasons and we're kind of

crawling into our halfway point right now but this is like a special moment where I would like to present you with a little something it's a gift it's it's part of this project that we've got going right now I wrote this book called the bonobo way and it has a few fans and one of the fans is is kind of a philanthropist

yeah and he is very interested in the empowerment of women he's a guy he likes women you know he I mean he's like a bonobo guy you know the bonobos know that if the females are more or less empowered and happy that they'll have a good life too and so that's his feeling and so he he kind of made in a little

endowment for the bonobo way and and for me to give to women I'm sorry I can't give it to men can't nobody with penis it's I know it's kind of it's kind of unfair but on the other hand you know our civilization has been really unfair for like thousands of years so maybe this is like an affirmative action

program anyway it's a little program and it's you know not biodegradable but yeah you can open it if you want I yeah you could you could it's it's he wants me to do this he wants you to first talk about your passion but you already have so this is just his appreciation for your passion that's it so you're like a

stripper you can put it in your bra if you like thank you yeah yeah this is the bonobo way female empowerment outreach program and we just do this I mean it's it's it's this this gentleman does not want to be named quite yet but yeah he will be and you can spend it on whatever you want you know you can spend it on the

community or on you know nail polish or whatever you want thank you very much to this unknown gentlemen yeah and I'm always I take what I need and the rest I share with everybody all my gifts well that's up to you that you can do whatever you want with it you can take everybody out for you know carrot burgers or good

yeah so speaking of which we want to hear more about well your passion right what you do and animals I mean there's so much I want to hear but I want to hear about the sex too like I mean okay let's let's just talk about sex for a moment because one thing that I really really appreciated is you pointing out that

our civilization in almost every culture has turned sexuality into something that's very private and and and such a source of of pain for that privacy and I'm very well aware of this because I'm a sex therapist and actually you know it probably keeps me in business because people you know have so many secrets

that they can't share because of this privacy this this super duper just prison of privacy and and you know there's a writer named Barbara Aaron Reich you know who she is anyway she wrote a book called Dancing in the Streets and it's about collective joy and I just take it a step farther and say you know we need

more communal ecstasy and I don't mean the drug I mean the feeling of sharing eroticism in a community and it doesn't have to be an orgy although that's not bad but it is a feeling of sharing you know I mean people people do that sort of thing a little bit in you know music concerts maybe they do it a little bit

it's sporting events I guess but but I imagine that you have some amazing events at Tamara that that convey this communal ecstasy yeah maybe you say some words about it that not always me I'm talking okay I you share share go for it and I will okay so for me you are touching the core because I think in our

society we said before there is nothing offered there are swinging swinging pairs or things like this and also tundra but my feeling is that the real errors which wants to be shared needs to have wisdom about what means faithfulness on one side and on the other side what means adventure that and yeah and this

is not a contradiction yeah because very often in civilization trust kills lust because we're taught that once you can trust someone well you can't really fully trust them I don't know somehow trust kills lust in our society and I think that you guys have a kind of recipe or a way to mix trust and lust in a way

that we really need to do yeah yeah that would be a moment to come in because I don't agree to trust kills lust well in our society yeah but this is maybe an important point because why those husbands go to see the hookers yeah but that's not trust that habitual I don't know the English word you're used to

each other and you think you know each other that's something very different than trust I feel for me trust has never killed my last at all no it's really more the source of it the more I trust the more who I am erotically can unfold and this has no limit at least not so far that's why I say it because trust is

so much of our central value of our culture yeah that I I cannot leave it well I I am very impressed that you do mix it up and you keep it going and I do think it can be kept going and mixed up I just think that it and yeah maybe the kind of thing that we call trust where you're married and you know each other

and you know you have pretty good sex and it's and and you you know you you can rely on each other to take care of the kids and you know you're not going to kind of really betray each other it's a kind of trust and very often that kind it just seems to dole people's loss and and the insistence on the

monotony of monogamy that goes along with that kind of trust is often a lust killer as well so I don't think it has to and I think it's beautiful when it doesn't and of course among bonobos it doesn't well I don't think it does among communities because yeah you've got all these all these people you know

inspiring you and it's hard to kill lust maybe for me I have to say really this is for me the core of building community yeah for example I live now together with my partner Dieter doom the co-founder since now we came in partnership three years after knowing each other better and we know each other all already on a

sexual level and then to notice that if you come to a real trust basic he will share with you what he feels towards other women and the women will share what she feels towards other men so you can come home and say look I met a man it made me crazy yeah and can you please support me we had a night together this

was so deep and that's the combining of trust and lust and yeah and after a while you notice that this makes the errors grow in a relationship you have to cross the borders of fear of loss and our community I mean in society is full of educated by fear of loss and if you build community another kind of trust

appears yeah and then you really know that adventure and faithfulness is connected to each other on a deep level you will discover to whom I will stay faithful you will discover it's meant by the divine powers that we are together and we share a common task and it doesn't bring this kind of

separation it brings the opposite so I can say our erotic relationship grew and grew and grew the deeper we came on the trusting level together beautiful would you like to touch my snake yes of course yes she I have a deep respect I must tell strangers and she makes friends very quickly yeah oh she definitely is

going for right between the legs here there she goes just exploring you hello exploring your terrain she's really beautiful I'm just kind of holding on to she's a she's in Akita corn snake yeah and if she was in the wild her job is to make sure that the mice don't eat all the corn that's what she does 15 years

you are with her yeah well no actually she's 15 years old but I got her okay okay I got her when she was two years old so I've been with her for 13 years hey here here I'm gonna make her into a little jewelry I have really respect because not knowing her she's an ambassador not asking her but I trust to

you that it's really yeah yeah she's an ambassador from the reptile world to humans we have a lot of snakes in our lakes oh snakes in the lakes and turtles and turtles some say that Lilith was really the snake yeah you know I mean there's different interpretations but certainly Lilith Eve and the snake and

her name is Eve Eve yeah okay so we bring back the wisdom of Eve yes yes she's definitely the symbol of the goddess the snake is the symbol of the goddess you know even those snakes also are very phallic snake is as Evee is getting all oh maybe she's gonna get tangled in my head

she loves that whoa okay yeah she's doing your little hairstyle there yeah I mean you guys you have extraordinary communions with horses and pigs that are really different than most people's experiences with horses and pigs yeah I think so we have a lot of also white boss and we try to cooperate with every

being wild boars those are like the pigs or yeah and we try to integrate them and we try to communicate with them in a way that we say look this is our gardening respect this and tears play here are places where you are welcome so community does not mean only community between human beings it means community

with all beings and how do you regard them I mean they're not exactly farm animals or pets what I mean they're fellow creatures I guess or do you have another name you want to put the way she's getting okay she's all excited she's been in her cage shedding yes I know all the humans I think she loves it

right that's my interpretation you seem happy we'll bring her out okay huh I'm on my own I'm free so we're gonna have to take a break pretty soon but are we how much time do we have left anybody can tell us now speaking of nature and sex I mean this look at this all right tapes are flashing Susan so nature's own

dildo excuse me although this is way too big right we're almost out of tape Dr. Susan we are almost out of tape so we're gonna have to take a break but we're gonna be right back with more of the Dr. Susan block show with Tamara and Terra Nova Sabine and Benjamin so don't come yet and don't go away we'll be right

back yeah hi I'm Dr. Susan block and I've just written a new book called the bonobo way inspired by my love for the make love not war great apes you know the ones who have a lot of sex and a bonobo sutra of positions including face to face but it's not just how bonobos have sex it's how they use sex to

prevent murder and war really they're the only great apes that have never been seen killing each other they practice what I call peace through pleasure with the females gently dominating the very happy very sexually satisfied males bonobos are special partly because they just are and partly because they're

very very close to us almost 99% genetically similar to us when it comes to being human even being humane bonobos can teach us so much which brings me to us and more specifically to you is your inner bonobo longing to swing free would you like to tap into the hot natural sex energy within you that you would so

you can better enjoy the pleasures in life and cope with the pain you know the pain and have more orgasmic organic sustainable sex who doesn't want that greater lust greater trust and better anger management and who couldn't use a little bit of that these days so get the book learn the bonobo way you'll be

glad you did then you'll want to join bonoboville a new global village for bonobo lovers and friends and one last thing the real bonobos are highly endangered so a portion of all book sales go to bonobo conservation groups working to save the wild bonobos from extinction read the bonobo way and learn

why this could be the most important eco sexual movement of our times and improve your love life sisters we are going to have a Sybian ride so you've never been on a Sybian before okay now you are ready to ascend the throne to Tracy you are going to ride God's machine

one leg right here the other right here and just position yourself comfortably put your clip right here here she goes mounting ever ridden a Sybian by the way oh I have many a time my favorite horse ride have Sybian yoga and experience it to the fullest

go for the G spot go for the clip go for whatever works someone come from their strikes again yes I do say that when it feels good live on dr. Suzy dot TV from the womb in bonoboville ride him cowboy take a G for a G for a we never get tired of watching a pretty girl on the Sybian celebrate and

masturbation I think we have orgasm we we we we we testify sister Kenny testify that you and you are not ashamed how was it what's your report oh my vagina's so tingly right now it feels like pop rock I'm just gonna take this

I think it's bigger than your little body that is the best product endorsement I've ever seen can I leave now like I'm ready I'm we've got the city you don't need the husband hey darling girl

I love you that's my girl you're listening to radio city one on the web we have to ask ourselves how do we stop this planet killing machine of capitalism and come up with a humane alternative when you look at the level of destruction we got to come up with a with a new principle very soon and what

power could save this planet if not love occupy our other movements they were also trying to enact love building a culture of love needs permanent structures and for this we need models I mean there is a trauma in love there is a layer in people's souls and this on quite a collective level where as soon

as you touch love you touch a panic point it's a fear of loss it's an insecurity that the one you love will leave you the home that you find in the other that this will not be anymore and so we try to create a vessel which can protect all those questions that love can appear my name is Marie I'm from

Holland my name is Ethan and from the United States leave me from Israel from Israel as well for sure there is a longing that the two halves of human being come together in a very deep level but it's not the only thing because it's it's not it's deep work to get to a point where these

things open up it's painful in a way in the first place I realized how scary it is to reveal myself as an erotic being how much it triggers shame how much it triggers fear as well when you ignore something and you don't give it place it's it's just building and become bigger and bigger and bigger if I

observe conflicts when you nail it down on the bottom there is this wish to be accepted in DC part of the healing is to making it public and recognizing that what I feel as my personal need for healing is exactly the same in you and in you and in you and in you and therefore it's a cultural

need of healing it is a larger vision of healing love which is a much bigger story we have to create a society free of fear wide web and now love you love you love you give it away and we're very grateful to have very bonobo-esque peace ambassadors

here with us Sabine and Benjamin Sabine licton fell and Benjamin von Mendelssohn of Tamara community biotope in Portugal and also Terra Nova which is a global movement towards peace and love you know old-fashioned things free love in a way kind of the old-fashioned term yeah so we've got a kind of a bonoboville

gathering here including our special guest Mike how do you pronounce your last name with new with new with new welcome thank you and Helene is here Helene of course is our fabulous artist and it's her birthday yeah very very auspicious birthday right right before the supermoon harvest moon and there's

Joseph and hey hey mr. Bitcoin what do you think about bitcoins maybe you know about bitcoins well yeah yeah yeah what do I think about them I don't think they are paradigm shift yet economy but they're an attempt I think the real paradigm shift lies somewhere else in a new currency free love all right so and

business here and of course the lovely Dayton Reigns is now playing with my snake and take that any way you want but yeah my snake is all wrapped around her and she likes you so okay so so we're having a little bit of question time here on the Dr. Susan Block show so yeah questions so Benjamin your family

has a history in finance almost a you almost have a genetic history in the finance industry yep also music though music Felix and and then there was the philosopher Moses Moses yeah excellent but the bankers yeah they really cleaned up so given the inherent global structure that we all rely on from fiat

money to fractional reserve lending etc to have our lifestyle how can possibly in countries like our own the United States any a community like yours possibly function in your in your vision well it's a good question and there's a whole political side of it and of course the if Buckminster Fuller says if you want

to overcome a system create a new one and decentralized self-sufficient autonomous models the alternative to centralized capitalism so they are not very well liked by our system and in a way I would like to build a little bridge to errors in that because I feel our financial system with its monopoly

capitalism you know monotheism monogamy there's all monoculture says all a certain male singularity in it masculine male singularity in it and I feel that in our culture money and sexuality or repressed sexuality are so deeply linked with each other and it's a masculine economy I mean it doesn't

have to do with reciprocity always sharing the gift it has pretty much to do with holding on to power and I see that we live in a change of times from a deeply patriarchal time to a time of error of partnership and I wanted to hear your understanding of it from a scientific perspective and from how you seen it

make changes in what you've experienced there that's me more for genetic fields where the questions right yeah in a way I see the the theory original originated with Rupert child rake right in biology and right now we live in a society where for example the issue of trust is always a private or

therapeutic or individual issue but actually what we are governed by much more than we are aware of a cultural fields evolutionary fields and today you can bring up your child in the perfect little family non-violent whatever you want to name it situation and still a child will be part of a field of

violence which is global and which is our cultural field and so even you try to do everything right in a nuclear family and you probably make mistakes because it's pretty hard to do everything right in that setting yeah but even if you try there's a field underlaying and we want to create a culture where

this basic field of violence fear and separation is substituted by a field of trust and ultimately peace you got to deal with the school systems of the world oh yeah and school systems of the world are are just indoctrination systems into the competition and and the violence absolutely I mean some

schools are you know kind of have the Montessori method but I mean still schools are about you know beating out the other students to get accolades and and honors and get into other schools in a way what's interesting and sex partners interesting about the question is because there are many methods how to

deal with competition and in a way the social mechanisms are one layer and then the morphogenetic field that governs us is mostly unconscious and is generated by a very deep collect fear that is not only individual it is collective and in a way creating a new field is a chance for a small tribe of

Bonobos yeah to create a new culture and we're doing convincing people but just creating a new field of possibility for people absolutely beener resigned so there's got to be some effect of this field I would like to add in this direction to really recommend this book it's Terra Nova and the author Dieter

Doom is much much inspired by this question of field building how does it work and that we have the trust and the hope and the power is much about this looking to evolution and seeing that evolution works in field building processes so it's not everything linear and so we feel Tamara like a

puncture point where we say if at one point on this planet we can come back to tribal wisdom it will have an impact to the whole with field building processes just to add this yeah I see some of that happening right now I mean I'm just becoming more and more aware of what you're doing there and the combination

and your field it gets expanded when it gets more exposure right more people understand it more people see it more people look at it so you know that tonight the field is expanding right and just the existence of the community is a help to everybody everybody else whether or not they're

part of it we're expanding absolutely he raises llamas what are they they're not real long alpacas alpacas related both they're both camelettes they're related okay so uh what was that now you can't talk off the microphone no no good no good

my favorite animal is a llama I'm sorry oh I sense a child that's really really interesting why do you like the llama I just like them there you go you have an affinity they have pretty fur and hair and they're nice they'll spit at you yeah it sounds like you a little bit you got pretty hair and you're nice you

spit at me would you no if I put a Sicilian curse but I don't do that I am only good yeah yeah but I that's interesting sorry sorry to interject that's quite all right that's quite all right are we all right we're almost from one Italian to another yes absolutely and the pope we we have to we have to say thank you to the pope for

you know being a good force kind of kind of almost being bonobo he was good oh uh I saw something that a community uh in New York they made him an entire cannoli and they gave it for the homeless and the pope okay I'm serious it was like seven feet long oh seven seven I mean it was a seven foot cannoli literally just for the pope and for

the homeless that's a lot of sugar though it was still nice I'd rather give him a gourd I'm oh I've had that gourd yeah you could share oh my we have glide vegetarian condoms so speaking of which I think it's time for a little celebration because we're very excited to have you here Tamara uh Teranova we're very excited that our friend Helene is celebrating

her birthday happy birthday and and by the way happy birthday the song yes has been liberated liberated free love for happy birthday and it's no longer owned by Warner Brothers Warner Brothers they owned it and they made two million dollars a year from licensing of happy birthday right okay they're mafia Warner Brothers yeah well they

were mafia that's how they started well the mafia is of the old type of community the main stockholder you know we're all in communities anyway we are we have to function in communities we're just trying to make these communities a little bit nicer yeah more transparent right more transparent okay so uh so this involves some drinking do you drink alcoholic beverages or

a little bit yeah okay this is a an herbal liqueur it's called agua it's green agua cocoa leaf liqueur and it is made from the cocoa leaf although it's perfectly legal because it's not cocaine but it is made from the cocoa leaf and the cocoa leaf is okay if you don't you know just snort a lot of cocaine but uh it it's just a leaf but uh this is a this is a delicious

liqueur and so we're going to pour it now and then we have a little ritual that we do here it's called bonoboville communion and it's a takeoff on communion really it's a communion and thank you here's the salt the salt represents the body also bodies represent the body because we have bodies and essentially bonoboville communion is body shots and uh and you can do any body part

you like and off of anyone including yourself or each other um and and so you know you lick the body part you want to demonstrate yeah do you want to demonstrate or birthday girl yeah maybe birthday girl should start yeah and then yeah there you go are you ready for demonstration okay oh you're going to do it together yeah there you go that's it yeah do it

to each other you've got the altar and this is the altar very nice we wet the altar because we all know lubrication is important to humanity and the earth this is our water project no and then we take the salt and then down there you go congratulations birthday girl where's the applause yeah very good and would you like to offer yours yes okay our girls love to show off and we appreciate

that because it's beautiful you look beautiful hoka hoka right hoka hoka is something that the bonobo females do do you know about that bonobo females are uh the essence i mean their sexuality is a big key to keeping the peace in bonoboville uh when a bonobo female leaves her native tribe which bonobo females do just as common chimp females do it's not the

males that travel it's the females that travel uh and the females in the new tribe will welcome her in by doing this hoka hoka where they rub their giant genitalia against each other and lick each other and play with each other and just become girlfriends and eat together and forage together whereas common chimp females when the new females come in they leave each other alone

they just say fend for yourself girlfriend there's not much going on out here don't you take mine so bonobo already sharing then if a male is so bold and stupid as to get out of line and attack a female or her infant her girlfriends who she's become very close to through hoka hoka will jump on him and school him and tell him not to do that they don't kill him though

they they tend to just kind of push him away and beat him a little bit and then maybe give him a blowjob afterwards but they they're very very um it's a strong female solidarity that is increased through sexual trust definitely and the males have a different kind of way of dealing with it uh and that helps to keep the violence down which is called penis fencing okay something I

like to see between um you know trump and bernie maybe or so I don't know uh so or putin and his enemy of the moment um or you know I I don't know anyway the males when they they're not too completely nonviolent which gives me hope because if they were completely nonviolent they'd be so different from us but they have you know they once they start getting violent

then they turn it into sex they take that energy and they turn it into either sex or affection or something like that and it's a beautiful thing so uh hoka hoka and penis fencing makes the word go around penis what penis fencing fencing yeah I'm not asking you to demonstrate that don't it has been done here though but uh yeah it's it's it's a special thing but or sometimes they'll

just do what they call a bonobo handshake which is interestingly going back to the bible if you read the bible carefully uh often they'll say they swear upon your thigh now this swearing is the word testify which is related of course to the word testicles and uh in the original translation it wasn't a thigh you were putting your hand to swear talk about trust here's some

trust they got away from this though trust by putting your balls in the other guy's hand and saying uh you know I trust you I I swear I I will follow through on this and you can you know here's my family jewels so there is something to our connection to bonobos that uh that maybe has been lost and that we're bringing back okay can I ask you a question dr susie me yeah

is sword fighting similar to what little boys do with each other penis penis fencing you mean yeah yeah yeah but yeah sword fighting you know they like to wiggle their weenies and play with it like they do that well little boys I'm one of four children so yeah I've seen two boys do it yeah oh there you go there you go and you know I mean sometimes I wonder if we have turned that natural

tendency into uh a a destructive tendency of putting real swords and guns into little boys hands because when they're little they play they do that like you know yeah I've seen it I don't know I was asking you if it's true or not related I'm sure it's it's totally totally related that's what I would think I was very curious there you go all right so bonoboville communion I would

like to have some off of someone and uh yeah oh you want to all offer me or alter my my assistant okay one more and then I'll invite my guests to do it the way they want to okay so bring yours over to me such lovely nipples and the salt yummy yummy yummy and cheers and to Tamara to Terra Nova to the future to their success and to the the bonobo way if you don't mind my toasting myself

and to Helene's birthday absolutely Helene's beautiful birthday would you like a bonoboville communion yeah okay yeah yeah yeah I mean you can you can do it off they're offering or each other or you know it doesn't have to be boobs it could be uh the back of the neck or uh leg or right there okay you want on her leg yeah that's a good place I think that's a great place I'll take the leg

because I still have some left so here this gives me a chance to kneel at Sabine's leg yummy thank you all right and now yeah you can applaud okay and next will you have to take some from somebody from somewhere and you yeah I think I like the neck I think neck is good we had a neck the other day okay you have to do it well I mean you can you can you have

you need to you've already presented yourself as an altar so now you're actually taking a nice slick off of Dayton wow that's impressive okay and salt lovely that's beautiful and sante bonheur right yeah we talk on the microphone please what a beautiful example of sharing because this would have been

exactly my choice as well and I just stay with it you could take the other side of the neck yeah all the same side okay or the same side right yeah actually that's better yeah yeah same side there's some sort of mingling that way yeah a whole big bunch of salt there and now the blood of the goddess and it is green blood yes reptilian all right who

that anyone else would like to take communion all right well you know what we are out of time right max captain max would you like to come to the microphone for our goodbyes no he's busy at the bar he's he's doing business huh what was that oh oh oh we need something right right we have to bring something get it and where's evie where's evie evie's in the cage right

did you you put evie in the cage right you people you did right she did there's the cage did go upstairs everyone here's my maternal concern for my snake yes and now here we go happy birthday to you and strawberries those strawberries look really good oh she just takes what she wants

there you go yeah Peter one allow yourself to be pampered darling it's your birthday do you want to give a speech you want to give a speech no no speech no speech got your microphone 51 years young all right well looking good girl so at the bar we now have also ice cream chocolate more chocolate more chocolate whipped cream and beer yeah and other more healthy fair

correct yes and not a lot more healthy fair more healthy fair as well right all right so we're gonna somebody's having orgasms over the strawberries was that you I heard you those are delicious all right we are going to say our goodbyes so first of all I just want to have a big hand for my featured guests Sabine Lichtenfeld and Benjamin von Mendelssohn

of Tamara and Taranova and oh my god this has been just so amazing to have you here and thank you so much for joining us thank you thank you for this talking to the microphone thank you for this evening thank you for inviting us tell us where we can find you in the future you will find us all over the world but the center is Tamara and Tamara means

at the spring of the spring at the water at the water and medication is very important to good sex and good life in Portugal but please if you come to Tamara don't think that you can have there a quick sex it's much more about the whole system because only with a system change healing will appear also in sexual issues right but I could bring my sex partner and then have quick sex

the first night right just I could because we're gonna go there right max we're gonna go yeah we're going yeah we're gonna go we're gonna come we gotta I mean you gotta come work the fields come work the fields and hang out with the the pigs and and the horses I really like the whole I love horses anyway we love horses I know how to ride but they ride bareback and they don't just ride

they sleep with the horse they they kind of cuddle the horse very beautiful thank you so much Benjamin von Mendelsen did I did you also mean where you can find us as simple as our web address yes the modern technology that's what we mean for the people url www tamera.org and maybe interesting as we are still in LA on the west coast we're gonna have a love school in the bay area

a love school in the bay area wow and I think you find it on our website and actually we probably have to have a second one because the first one is sold out but we're gonna create a second one which is an introduction of how we create a culture how we try to create a culture and a field of love well we support whatever you do and certainly we hope you come back when you're in LA again

and and we'll probably be seeing you in Portugal or somewhere so what was that uh I I did thank Serena early but I will thank her again Dr Serena Gaia thank you so much for putting us together and I know she's in India now and hopefully doing well you know so let me just see if there's anybody else I forgot but I think I lost all my notes so it doesn't really matter as a

mnemonic idea tamera t a m e r a dot org right and and I don't know the etymology of the word but a tame era is rather an interesting way of looking at that that is that is your goal to create a tame era in a tame in a yeah and just just to be domesticated I don't know be peaceful be peaceful you had a show with abby martin right uh yes we had an art exhibit we got a shout out abby martin

thank you so much we love abby she's great you love abby martin and I think abby martin would love tamara I'm sure she would very political investigative journalist totally on the path of the truth yes absolutely and artist and gosh there's another place I'd love to take you while I can't but it's called the zorthian ranch which was also started by by an artist and it's kind of

a community of artists here there's all these bonobo bills that are popping up and spreading and kicking out you know republican speakers of the house it's it's amazing it's just amazing and we've even gotten into the Vatican I really think this guy's kind of bonobo and also our new mayor is quite bonobo-esque oh yeah oh yeah at least they're all saying the right things yeah at least right

oh well yeah chef donald trump right uh yeah yeah well that's a good thing because because saying the right things leads you know the talk leads to the walk the talk leads to believing what you're talking about these people from tamara they walk the talk right it's amazing they're not politicians or owned by any corporations well no and they and they and they keep themselves going and going

and going and they travel and uh it's it's just uh an amazingly beautiful mission of love and peace absolutely all right brothers and sisters thank you so much for joining us uh follow the bonobo way of peace through pleasure make like bonobos not baboons make love not war make love to someone you love tonight even if that someone is you i love you yeah all right to talk with someone about

something you can't talk about with anyone else you can talk to us i'm dr susan block your mistress of the airwaves but my day job is director of the dr susan block institute for the erotic guards and sciences specializing in sex therapy over the phone anytime you need to talk whether you need serious psychotherapy or a hot phone sex experience or a combination my world renowned

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